Moonballers are out - Short, Low pushers are in...

[Avles]

Originally Posted by marosmith

Don't feel bad, idiots here really get deluded when talking about pushers. Makes me think maybe a bunch of them are.

Deluded is a 3.5 thinking he has any business deciding who hits "actual ground strokes" and who doesn't.

[mikeespinmusic]

Australia is the other way round when it comes to levels.

1 is the highest and 7 is the beginner level.
Then Open. So yeah I was punching above my weight with that tournament but I'm quite happy to keep punching there.

[luvforty]

something doesnt compute here.

what level are these pushers? OP said a couple of div 1's filled in and still lost.... aren't they a couple of levels above OP? or am I missing something.

[Venetian]

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[10isfreak]

Originally Posted by Avles

Deluded is a 3.5 thinking he has any business deciding who hits "actual ground strokes" and who doesn't.

That's actually a logical fallacy... we never attack the author to evaluate the value of his argument.

Likewise, someone could not be a tennis fan at all, not enjoy the sport at all and have never played the sport in the first place, but yet be incredibly knowledgeable and competent when it comes to teaching or analyzing the game.

It's all nice and fun to pick at someone who seem to look down on other people who he has trouble defeating, but let's not be stupid ourselves.

[marosmith]

Originally Posted by Avles

Deluded is a 3.5 thinking he has any business deciding who hits "actual ground strokes" and who doesn't.

LOL

[dman72]

Originally Posted by Raul_SJ

How did you practice returning the low slice to your backhand? Slice it back?

I am using a one hand backhand and hitting mostly topspin. Haven't really developed a slice yet.

#1: learn to slice
#2: realize the shots that these guys have a hard time slicing back low, and that's what you hit them.

I find that with junk ballers, you are often better hitting high to their FOREHAND as opposed to their backhand if you want to play the match on your terms.

This is the mistake that I fell into in my match last week..I have been in the habit of trying to abuse guys backhands with inside out forehands...this guys backhand slice was his best shot. Looping topspin to his forehand was more effective, because all that he could do was push it back flat. I had this epiphany too late.

High topspin to his backhand he could still slice down on.

[Jay_The_Nomad]

I know the kind you are talking about. I usually attack their forehand to open up their backhand so that I can attack the backhand to get the short ball and attack the forehand. Very difficult to break down their backhand.

Originally Posted by dman72

#1: learn to slice
#2: realize the shots that these guys have a hard time slicing back low, and that's what you hit them.

I find that with junk ballers, you are often better hitting high to their FOREHAND as opposed to their backhand if you want to play the match on your terms.

This is the mistake that I fell into in my match last week..I have been in the habit of trying to abuse guys backhands with inside out forehands...this guys backhand slice was his best shot. Looping topspin to his forehand was more effective, because all that he could do was push it back flat. I had this epiphany too late.

High topspin to his backhand he could still slice down on.

[jimbo333]

Originally Posted by Power Player

You are not good enough yet to move up. I have hit with a lot of junkballers. It takes a long time to learn how to attack them, but once you get it going, you will beat them.

The secret is to keep the moving side to side. trying to push a guy back who is chop blocking your shots feeds into his game. you need to have great directional control with your shots.

Exactly right, the OP simply is not a good a player as he thinks!

Honestly some people these days think that tennis is standing at the back of the court whacking the ball back hard and fast with loads of topspin. No that is rally practice! (Although watching the womens game at the moment I can see little difference sometimes).

To be a better player, the OP will need to find a way to beat many other styles of play!

[thecode]

Originally Posted by dman72

#1: learn to slice
#2: realize the shots that these guys have a hard time slicing back low, and that's what you hit them.

I find that with junk ballers, you are often better hitting high to their FOREHAND as opposed to their backhand if you want to play the match on your terms.

This is the mistake that I fell into in my match last week..I have been in the habit of trying to abuse guys backhands with inside out forehands...this guys backhand slice was his best shot. Looping topspin to his forehand was more effective, because all that he could do was push it back flat. I had this epiphany too late.

High topspin to his backhand he could still slice down on.

Yes, this should work because it's tougher to hit a great slice on a high bouncing forehand. Good idea.

[pkshooter]

Sorry OP... I feel for you bro, I play at an average highschool level, and you see i'm not tennis prodigy. I have good strokes, but i tend to lose to alot of people that i'm "technically" better than.

[jimbo333]

Originally Posted by pkshooter

Sorry OP... I feel for you bro, I play at an average highschool level, and you see i'm not tennis prodigy. I have good strokes, but i tend to lose to alot of people that i'm "technically" better than.

Why do you feel sorry for the OP? He can't even deal with a short slice, honestly, the state of tennis coaching these days, he just needs to practice, and get a new coach by the sounds of it. He "technically" isn't a very good matchplayer yet by all accounts. I hope he comes back here in a few months having put in the practice against the short sliced stuff, and is the better player for it, and moving up the leagues!

[Hi I'm Ray]

Originally Posted by mikeespinmusic

Slices are actually quite rare among these players...The first 50 short junk balls to dig out are always the easiest to apply proper theories... I'll take note from everything from most constructive feedbacks. I made the 4th round for a recent AMT (Australian Money) tounrnament (similar to USA Challenger matches) against Australian Ranked players. so I don't feel like my training and standard of play is the issue. Since posting this I've switched to using a depolarized setup and have had more success. It allows for a good flat penetrating counter against this and it forces them to pop it up for a good chance at an over head or a big forehand.

And the club is phasing out these balls, because it turns out I wasn't the only person that was annoyed about this. The club was losing money, nobody new wanted to join those div 2 and 3 ranks. It was a combination of slow carpet, that brand of ball and that was encouraging cheap play. The club is switching to a faster slazenger ball thank god!

Those shots that land midcourt near the service line, bounce well below net height, and die quickly can be tough to attack, especially if sliced or on the backhand side. I know I used to return those noticeably harder on my FH side before my long tennis break. Actually, there are a few shots I used to hit regularly but cannot do anymore because I don't have a coach to practice drills with anymore. Whatever level you are at, you'll need to put in some practice time hitting those shots to get good at it.

[LeeD]

and remember, while it's easy enough to hit an approach shot and move to just inside your own service line, the other player has consistent LOW passing shots that can't be put away unless you're just a superior volleyer...
which leaves plenty of options for your opponent.

[TennisCJC]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Yes, and I'm certain most professionals felt it 'insulting' when Federer did the same thing to them:

1. Get into rally
2. Hit short, low slicing backhand crosscourt
3. Opponent floats back easy ball
4. Step in and crush a forehand winner

Appalling...

And, Steffi Graff insulted all the women just like Roger does the men. She hit that same pain in the ***** short slice that setup her forehand.

You have to beat the pushers, slicers and dicers before you move up.

[Mahboob Khan]

Originally Posted by ollinger

You might need a good sports psychologist. If it is "insulting" that someone feeds you the type of ball you're used to while warming up, you have issues and don't realize that you're being shown courtesy there. And blaming players you have trouble with because they don't hit what you consider PROPER shots (anything in the rule book about what sort of shot to hit??) is just childish.

Well said sir.

As a good player you have to deal with all sorts of junkies. It's other players' right to throw junk at you; if you can't handle the junk you are not good enough.

So stop whining like a broken woman and learn the art. This is tennis.

[mikeespinmusic]

I was over doing this thread a long time ago. But I've reached an epiphany. Pushers think they're talented and talk about shots they can't do in a game.... and Im starting to think the ones that attack me on here without being constructive are the main culprits.

I'll sum this up for some of you who can't seem to read properly or think.

Luckily I play in more than one competition and club now so thats why I know better.

The matches against the top div 3 opponents of this particular club were one dimensional.

I never had to worry about all these great things some of you lot keep mentioning. They NEVER existed. I never had to guess about their slice, or an approach shot, or a lob, or a winner from them.

It was just me ALWAYS digging out their short low serve, and short low pushes. It was never a "normal" game.

Do you understand this? Do you understand english?


I can get more intelligence talking to a brick wall as opposed to this thread..
Well done trolls. Not gonna bother now.

[Govnor]

Originally Posted by Power Player

You are not good enough yet to move up. I have hit with a lot of junkballers. It takes a long time to learn how to attack them, but once you get it going, you will beat them.

The secret is to keep the moving side to side. trying to push a guy back who is chop blocking your shots feeds into his game. you need to have great directional control with your shots.

I believe this is the way to beat almost everyone at a lower level. They will get desperate once they realize they will be running themselves into the ground on every point. They will have to go for winners out of necessity.

[mikeespinmusic]

Originally Posted by ollinger

You might need a good sports psychologist. If it is "insulting" that someone feeds you the type of ball you're used to while warming up, you have issues and don't realize that you're being shown courtesy there. And blaming players you have trouble with because they don't hit what you consider PROPER shots (anything in the rule book about what sort of shot to hit??) is just childish. Yeah...I'm a fat american idiot sorry...

You're using a 105 square inch? You must have problems running. And reading properly. Feel free to do my poll.

[mikeespinmusic]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Yes, and I'm certain most professionals felt it 'insulting' when Federer did the same thing to them:

1. Get into rally
2. Hit short, low slicing backhand crosscourt
3. Opponent floats back easy ball
4. Step in and crush a forehand winner

Appalling...

Read the post properly