Andy Murray - One Slam Wonder?

[tennis_pro]

Originally Posted by Fedex

Murray was tired at Wimbledon.

Which Wimbledon? Cause it surely ain't 2012.

[The Bawss]

Originally Posted by always_crosscourt

Does not count. Everyone knows that.

First sensible thing you have ever said.

[dafinch]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye7

Was Asterix at the Olympic Games too?

I'm about as far from a Murray fan as you can get, and I definitely think his win was a fluke because of the extreme conditions and him having an extra day's rest compared to Nole, but putting an * by his name is stupid, if that's a serious remark and not sarcasm.

[Goosehead]

in that case its an *asterisk against jocko's AO2013 win..

he had an extra days rest compared to murray and jocko had a cupcake hit n giggle SF..whereas murray had a 4hr exhustathon against mr 17 majors fed

so..*AO2013 jocko w (*due to extra rest day & cupcake SF)

[Homeboy Hotel]

Originally Posted by dafinch

I'm about as far from a Murray fan as you can get, and I definitely think his win was a fluke because of the extreme conditions and him having an extra day's rest compared to Nole, but putting an * by his name is stupid, if that's a serious remark and not sarcasm.

Extreme conditions - there was a sun in the sky?

Because your opponent is old and can't recoup the next day doesn't mean your win should be degraded.

[Goosehead]

maybe jocko should play his finals inside his big egg..

he could then control the conditions, and he can stop crying and wetting his panties and win.

[veroniquem]

Djoko played the most finals on the tour in 2012 (11) and he won 6 of them. Murray played 7 finals and won only 3 of them. If one of them is crying, I doubt it's Novak...

[Goosehead]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

Djoko played the most finals on the tour in 2012 (11) and he won 6 of them. Murray played 7 finals and won only 3 of them. If one of them is crying, I doubt it's Novak...

u s open sf and final jocko was crying..wake up luv.

[veroniquem]

No he wasn't. He cried after losing the SF to Nadal in Olympics 2008. That's the only time I can remember.

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by dafinch

I'm about as far from a Murray fan as you can get, and I definitely think his win was a fluke because of the extreme conditions and him having an extra day's rest compared to Nole

So if Djokovic had won that match would that too have been a fluke? After all, he was playing in the same extreme conditions. Why should they only favour Murray and not him?

As for the extra day's rest, Murray had a tough match against Berdych in his semi (in which the conditions probably forced HIM to drop the 1st set) while Djokovic had a stroll in the park (as usual) in his semi against Ferrer (after it initially got cancelled because of the weather). And by the way, Murray was the one who was forced to play a 2 day semi-final against Nadal in 2008 because of the weather and then had only a day to rest before playing a 2 day rested Federer in the final. Did that mean Federer's win was a fluke because he had one more day to rest than Murray did?

Originally Posted by dafinch

but putting an * by his name is stupid, if that's a serious remark and not sarcasm.

This is the only part of your post that makes any sense!

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

No he wasn't. He cried after losing the SF to Nadal in Olympics 2008. That's the only time I can remember.

According to a Serbian journalist who went to interview him, Djokovic was busy smashing all his racquets to pieces after he lost in the bronze medal play-off against Del Potro at the 2012 Olympics. The journalist said he was tearful and apologetic for not managing to win a medal this time round after winning the bronze in 2008.

[veroniquem]

Originally Posted by Mainad

According to a Serbian journalist who went to interview him, Djokovic was busy smashing all his racquets to pieces after he lost in the bronze medal play-off against Del Potro at the 2012 Olympics. The journalist said he was tearful and apologetic for not managing to win a medal this time round after winning the bronze in 2008.

Djoko said that wasn't true. Lots of crazy stories going around.

[Hawkeye7]

Originally Posted by tennis_pro

Which Wimbledon? Cause it surely ain't 2012.

Ahh, but he was. He still felt that Baghdatis match in his bones because he had to stay up two minutes past his curfew. Brits depend on their daily-routine, Scots in particular. His chances of victory were irreparably compromised that day. Pair that with the closing of the roof and you get a horribly tired bloke who can barely stand, playing in conditions he isn't used to. There is no such thing as wind control in Scotland.

[Fedex]

Originally Posted by tennis_pro

Which Wimbledon? Cause it surely ain't 2012.

Ferrer took the sting out of Murray in the semi final but that was Murray's fault for allowing it as it was Federer's fault for allowing Del Potro to drag him into a long Olympic semi final match.
Murray on the other hand dispatched Djokovic in straight sets.

Funny how you never mention Murray's USO 2008 semi final when he beat Nadal then had to play Federer the very next day in the final.
You'd never say Murray was tired there.
If that was Federer on the otherhand, sure as hell it would be Federer was tired.
Stop being a hypocrite!

[Hawkeye7]

*cough* Murray/Ferrer was the QF. *cough*

[Fedex]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye7

*cough* Murray/Ferrer was the QF. *cough*

Sure but it meant he was tired for the semi which had a spin off effect on the final.
Doesn't it sound pathetic when you make excuses?
Doesn't it Tennis Pro?

[dafinch]

Originally Posted by Homeboy Hotel

Extreme conditions - there was a sun in the sky?

Because your opponent is old and can't recoup the next day doesn't mean your win should be degraded.

The day of semi finals, against Bird Bytche, NYC had TWO tornadoes, and the winds effectively made his serve, which had been a big weapon, a non factor. If you don't consider that extreme conditions, well, I don't what to tell you. The conditions were not THAT bad for the final, but they were bad enough-and Nole was at a severe disadvantage in having one day's less rest. To be fair, Murray adapted to the conditions better than his opponents, and Nole having less rest was just bad luck, but to pretend that those two factors were a) normal and b) didn't impact the results is just plain silly.

Speaking of silly, referring to Nole as being old and unable to "recoup" definitely qualifies.

[Hawkeye7]

Originally Posted by Fedex

Sure but it meant he was tired for the semi which had a spin off effect on the final.
Doesn't it sound pathetic when you make excuses?
Doesn't it Tennis Pro?

I think he was traumatized in general by all that drama surrounding him last year (losing balls, losing points, footfaults, late nights). I mean with all he had to worry about, it was really no surprise that he couldn't sustain the level he showed in the first set of the final. And when the roof closed he was at an even further disadvantage.

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by dafinch

The day of semi finals, against Bird Bytche, NYC had TWO tornadoes, and the winds effectively made his serve, which had been a big weapon, a non factor. If you don't consider that extreme conditions, well, I don't what to tell you. The conditions were not THAT bad for the final, but they were bad enough-and Nole was at a severe disadvantage in having one day's less rest. To be fair, Murray adapted to the conditions better than his opponents, and Nole having less rest was just bad luck, but to pretend that those two factors were a) normal and b) didn't impact the results is just plain silly.

Well, if you want to play it that way, fine. But the same goes for Berdych and Djokovic too. If they had won those matches, then you must be prepared to acknowledge that those same factors would have had to impact their results because they would have been the ones to have adapted better and not Murray!

Players have to adapt their games to all kinds of different surfaces and conditions. The best players succeed in doing so. The lesser players don't or can't. It's that simple!

[dafinch]

Originally Posted by Mainad

So if Djokovic had won that match would that too have been a fluke? After all, he was playing in the same extreme conditions. Why should they only favour Murray and not him?

<<That's just the way it is, extreme conditions can favor either side, but, generally speaking, they help a huge underdog more often than a big favorite. Say a high powered NFL team with a great passing attack plays against an underdog that has a good running game, and they play in a driving rain storm. Both teams are playing in the same conditions, but common sense says the big favorite is more likely to be impacted negatively. OBVIOUSLY it wouldn't have been a fluke if Nole had won, for the simple reason that he has a track record and was a large favorite. Murray had a track record, too, and it sucked, the first man in history to not win so much as a set in losing 3 Slam finals. As it was, he adapted to the conditions better than Nole did, then had to hold on for dear live to win in 5, with Nole clearly not having the energy in the 5th set after he clawed back from a two set deficit. That, to me, is the epitome of a fluke, a guy who sucks big time in the spotlight, greasing out a narrow victory in unusual conditions. I felt it when I saw Michael Chang pysch out Lendl with underhand(literally, not figuratively) on the way to winning HIS only Slam(followed by bewitching Edberg in the final), and that's the way I felt watching that final with Rat Boy.>>

As for the extra day's rest, Murray had a tough match against Berdych in his semi (in which the conditions probably forced HIM to drop the 1st set) while Djokovic had a stroll in the park (as usual) in his semi against Ferrer (after it initially got cancelled because of the weather). And by the way, Murray was the one who was forced to play a 2 day semi-final against Nadal in 2008 because of the weather and then had only a day to rest before playing a 2 day rested Federer in the final. Did that mean Federer's win was a fluke because he had one more day to rest than Murray did?

<<Once again, you're making an asinine point: Fed was a huge favorite vs Murray then, and would've been even had the rest situations been reversed- just as Nole was a big favorite against Murray last year. You're entitled to think that everything was comme il faut in last year's US Open, and I'm also entitled to think that it was a fluke for the reasons I mentioned.>>

This is the only part of your post that makes any sense!

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