Why did the 08 Wimbledon loss bother Fed so much?

[RF20Lennon]

Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

Dude, Nadal saved that BP on his own terms. Great body serve, and massive forehand DTL. That is a very poor example of "choking". That was just a case of being outplayed.

Yeah youre right Nadal clearly outplayed him but what i meant by choking was fed wasnt aggressive enough with the opportunities he got.

[MichaelNadal]

Originally Posted by DeShaun

Why did he make it? I have only implied a possible reason. That he made it before the final only partially allays my suspicions as to the color of his motivation. That's all. I could be completely wrong, but I took the offensive knowing the risk involved. It is generally not good policy to attack other posters, but when you have a strong hunch about something, it is OK not to ignore your gut IMO. If he disagrees with what I said, he can add me to his ignore list or come straight back at me and refute what I said. I am not above taking correction in such events, and I do not seek nor need to have the final say.

When defining a subject, I was taught to set forward its essential attributes and to avoid at all costs using examples of that subject, because from its genus a species inherits every property of the genus, but the genus does not have every property belonging to all of the species that it encompasses. If ever forced to use an example in defining a subject, I was taught to settle for no less than a superlative example, one that beyond any doubt bests illustrates the subject. For me, the superlative example of Roger taking a loss hard was 09 OZ where his tears gushed. And so, on a Spiderman level I detected something was amiss when I read this thread title.

Haha whoaaa tiger slow down. I made this before the final even started and if you knew my posting history, you'd know I'm also a Federer fan. I guess to me it was just surprising because I do believe he genuinely likes Rafa and he was the 5x defending champion when he lost. Like the next year when he beat Roddick and said his loss the previous year was tough and he understands, and Roddick was like, "yeah right you already had 5" lol, I sort of agree I guess. Not knocking him at all bc I like Fed. Was being serious with this topic.

[DeShaun]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

Haha whoaaa tiger slow down. I made this before the final even started and if you knew my posting history, you'd know I'm also a Federer fan. I guess to me it was just surprising because I do believe he genuinely likes Rafa and he was the 5x defending champion when he lost. Like the next year when he beat Roddick and said his loss the previous year was tough and he understands, and Roddick was like, "yeah right you already had 5" lol, I sort of agree I guess. Not knocking him at all bc I like Fed. Was being serious with this topic.

Thank you. I stand corrected.

[dudeski]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

I've always wondered this. We all know he considers this one of his toughest losses. Considering He always had so much respect for Rafa and he had been on top for so long, not to mention won the title the previous 5 years, should it really have bothered him that much? I think the press was ready to bury him at that point and were salivating over who would be the "next" guy, which is why he reacted the way he did after the AO final the next year. I think he was determined to show he wasn't done yet but maybe even started to question himself after that loss. Thoughts?

He wanted be the 1st man in history of tennis to beat Nadal while also fighting mono at the same time.

[The-Champ]

Originally Posted by DeShaun

Why did he make it? I have only implied a possible reason. That he made it before the final only partially allays my suspicions as to the color of his motivation. That's all. I could be completely wrong, but I took the offensive knowing the risk involved. It is generally not good policy to attack other posters, but when you have a strong hunch about something, it is OK not to ignore your gut IMO. If he disagrees with what I said, he can add me to his ignore list or come straight back at me and refute what I said. I am not above taking correction in such events, and I do not seek nor need to have the final say.

When defining a subject, I was taught to set forward its essential attributes and to avoid at all costs using examples of that subject, because from its genus a species inherits every property of the genus, but the genus does not have every property belonging to all of the species that it encompasses. If ever forced to use an example in defining a subject, I was taught to settle for no less than a superlative example, one that beyond any doubt bests illustrates the subject. For me, the superlative example of Roger taking a loss hard was 09 OZ where his tears gushed. And so, on a Spiderman level I detected something was amiss when I read this thread title.

You assumed he made this thread because you thought he was mad that Rafa lost in Chile. Fact: he made the thread before the finals in Chile, which proves you were wrong. The OP is not *** (a notorious Fed basher) therefore, one should read his thread without malice.

On your second paragraph: I'm not a native speaker and obviously not as eloquent as you are, but you have flouted several maxims in Gricean's efficient way of communication.


Truth to be told with regards to this bowl of soup, with assurances required from my vast experience of world cuisines, the cardamom gives it an extra edge. I can also detect the presence of vinegar which enhances the mixture of garlic and wild onions. The abundance of salt however overwhelms the teaspoon of honey in the additives. I would prefer it to be cooked on a pre-heated oven on a very low temperature that will gradually rise to maximum limit of 90 degrees celsius. It should be served immediately. Sorry, all I wanted to say was: That damned soup was too salty and too cold for my liking.

[Love all]

It was not only Wimby 08 and AO 09 but the H2H leading upto that stage was the reason for Roger's emotional break down. Dubai, Monte Carlo, Rome and French Open losses in 2006 and then in 2008 all contributed to the suffering.

[Feather]

Originally Posted by DeShaun

Everybody knows this about Rog which is why I think the OP was being disingenuous or grasping a fake pretense to dis on Federer now that Rafa was beaten by another nobody today in Chile. "Hmmm, Rafa lost today. I am a big fan of his. Now that he lost, what should I do? I know! I will start a thread that will remind Fed fans of a painful loss; that way I will have company in my misery."

MichaelNadal will NOT do that. He is a gem of a guy and I rarely say such words about an anonymous internet poster. He wouldn't start a thread with the intention of hurting anyone, let alone Roger fans. I think he is asking a genuine question

[DeShaun]

Originally Posted by The-Champ

You assumed he made this thread because you thought he was mad that Rafa lost in Chile. Fact: he made the thread before the finals in Chile, which proves you were wrong. The OP is not *** (a notorious Fed basher) therefore, one should read his thread without malice.

On your second paragraph: I'm not a native speaker and obviously not as eloquent as you are, but you have flouted several maxims in Gricean's efficient way of communication.


Truth to be told with regards to this bowl of soup, with assurances required from my vast experience of world cuisines, the cardamom gives it an extra edge. I can also detect the presence of vinegar which enhances the mixture of garlic and wild onions. The abundance of salt however overwhelms the teaspoon of honey in the additives. I would prefer it to be cooked on a pre-heated oven on a very low temperature that will gradually rise to maximum limit of 90 degrees celsius. It should be served immediately. Sorry, all I wanted to say was: That damned soup was too salty and too cold for my liking.

This is an excellent post. I very much like it because it is funny and I needed a laugh. I admit that I went overboard earlier; and then I was stuck with trying to get out of a corner that I had painted myself into. It was admittedly a pathetic try that I made, all that talk about predicates and definitions. Thanks again for your post. Cheers

[DragonBlaze]

Originally Posted by The-Champ

You assumed he made this thread because you thought he was mad that Rafa lost in Chile. Fact: he made the thread before the finals in Chile, which proves you were wrong. The OP is not *** (a notorious Fed basher) therefore, one should read his thread without malice.

On your second paragraph: I'm not a native speaker and obviously not as eloquent as you are, but you have flouted several maxims in Gricean's efficient way of communication.


Truth to be told with regards to this bowl of soup, with assurances required from my vast experience of world cuisines, the cardamom gives it an extra edge. I can also detect the presence of vinegar which enhances the mixture of garlic and wild onions. The abundance of salt however overwhelms the teaspoon of honey in the additives. I would prefer it to be cooked on a pre-heated oven on a very low temperature that will gradually rise to maximum limit of 90 degrees celsius. It should be served immediately. Sorry, all I wanted to say was: That damned soup was too salty and too cold for my liking.

How is it that a non-native speaker knows about Gricean maxims? Do tell

GOATworthy post Champ

[TennisLovaLova]

During the whole match, fed was behind nadal, it's a fact.He even saved mp with that sick bh dtl before losing with a horrible fh in the net due to lack of light...
After all these efforts he lost and maybe he felt robbed
That must have been hard...

[veroniquem]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

I've always wondered this. We all know he considers this one of his toughest losses. Considering He always had so much respect for Rafa and he had been on top for so long, not to mention won the title the previous 5 years, should it really have bothered him that much? I think the press was ready to bury him at that point and were salivating over who would be the "next" guy, which is why he reacted the way he did after the AO final the next year. I think he was determined to show he wasn't done yet but maybe even started to question himself after that loss. Thoughts?

I don't think that loss bothered Fed that terribly. Maybe for a few weeks afterwards but that's it. Fed still won USO that year and would win 2 slams the year after (including Wimbledon). The loss that bothered him the most was AO 2009 but even that turned out to be mostly an overreaction in the heat of the moment (he would win AO the next year). I don't think he enjoys being 2-8 overall against Rafa in slams and losing to Rafa in 3 out of the 4 slams when he has only beaten Rafa in 1 out of the 4 but that's another story

[Love all]

Federer bothered so much that he went on to win the next grand slam and two more the following year.

[Tropikal_Knights]

I guess losing at NIGHT without the lights on arguably one of the greatest matches ever played would be mildly upsetting ---no?

makes it worse when the surface is grass, the slam does not have lights ...and fed could not see two feet in front of him...

the camera flashes were blinding if proof was ever needed.

....I think the question you should be asking why did getting thrashed by Lance 4 times in a row almost lead to Rafa retiring?

Where was the famed mental toughness then?

[World Beater]

Ummm..

I dont think this loss bothered him that much in the long term.

Federer bounced back pretty well.

I think this thread is a bit silly.

The hard losses seem to affect nadal much much more...

[Federer20042006]

Originally Posted by The_Order

While I agree he played very well, I don't think it was THE best match of his career. I certainly think his level was just as good as 2007 only Nadal was giving him more trouble in 08 than 07.

I think if abmk sees this he won't sleep. He'll probably pull out a stat sheet to try and prove you wrong...

By "best match," I mean the match itself, not Federer's individual level of tennis. Federer played very well, and so did Nadal, but what made the match great was that they both played at a high level and their levels were so close to each other. It was high quality, and nail-bitingly close. That's what makes a great tennis match.

[monfed]

Originally Posted by Feather

MichaelNadal will NOT do that. He is a gem of a guy and I rarely say such words about an anonymous internet poster. He wouldn't start a thread with the intention of hurting anyone, let alone Roger fans. I think he is asking a genuine question

The only reason MichaelRalph praises Fed is because it makes Ralph look better than he actually is, afterall Ralph made fame and fortune by beating the GOAT. It's quite disingenuous,don't fall for it.

Yea,he's better than some of the hardcore Nadaltards like *** but a gem? Please. Calling Djokovic a gorilla while he was thrashing his idol black n blue in that stretch in 2011 isn't a trait of a gem. I saw him in the pro-match results section while Ralph was getting beaten in that famous 2011 stretch, all he posted was garbage about Djokovic, I'm sure there are more who remember it.

[Murrayfan31]

He maybe says to the press he respects Rafa. But deep down, he is thinking how could I lose to a moonballer on grass.

[monfed]

Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

He maybe says to the press he respects Rafa. But deep down, he is thinking how could I lose to a moonballer on grass.

The grass doesn't quite play like how a typical grasscourt should play in the second week,the ball bounces higher and just sits up for a lasso whip.
Why else is Ralph so vulnerable to big hitters in the first week of Wimby?

[Tennusdude]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

I've always wondered this. We all know he considers this one of his toughest losses. Considering He always had so much respect for Rafa and he had been on top for so long, not to mention won the title the previous 5 years, should it really have bothered him that much? I think the press was ready to bury him at that point and were salivating over who would be the "next" guy, which is why he reacted the way he did after the AO final the next year. I think he was determined to show he wasn't done yet but maybe even started to question himself after that loss. Thoughts?

The flip side is Fed was probably lucky to have beaten Roddick in the Wimbledon final as Roddick was really riding a wave. The was Roddick's match to win or lose. Federer may be the greatest tennis player to ever play the game but will never be considered one of the most gracious losers. Laver and Borg always exemplified great sportsmanship and respect for their opponents even in defeat. Although I know that Laver hated to lose to Nasty.

[SLD76]

Originally Posted by Tennusdude

The flip side is Fed was probably lucky to have beaten Roddick in the Wimbledon final as Roddick was really riding a wave. The was Roddick's match to win or lose. Federer may be the greatest tennis player to ever play the game but will never be considered one of the most gracious losers. Laver and Borg always exemplified great sportsmanship and respect for their opponents even in defeat. Although I know that Laver hated to lose to Nasty.

yup, thats why Fed shoulder bumped Rafa in the wimby 08 final.

oh wait...