Fedal H2H

Gonzo_style · 03-15-2013, 08:06 AM

How it will end?

I'd say 26-13 for Nadal, 10-2 in GS

Mustard · 03-15-2013, 08:11 AM

Here's the current head-to-head in full:

Rafael Nadal 19-10 Roger Federer
2004 Miami R32: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-3)
2005 Miami F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-3, 6-1)
2005 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)
2006 Dubai F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (2-6, 6-4, 6-4)
2006 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-2, 6-7, 6-3, 7-6)
2006 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6)
2006 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)
2006 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3)
2006 Masters Cup SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 7-5)
2007 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4)
2007 Hamburg F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-2, 6-0)
2007 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)
2007 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-2)
2007 Masters Cup SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-1)
2008 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-5)
2008 Hamburg F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-7, 6-3)
2008 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)
2008 Wimbledon F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 9-7)
2009 Australian Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-2)
2009 Madrid F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-4)
2010 Madrid F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-6)
2010 World Tour Finals F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 3-6, 6-1)
2011 Miami SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-2)
2011 Madrid SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (5-7, 6-1, 6-3)
2011 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)
2011 World Tour Finals RR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-0)
2012 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-4)
2012 Indian Wells SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2013 Indian Wells QF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-2)

Hardcourt: 6-6
Clay: 12-2 to Nadal
Grass: 2-1 to Federer
Carpet: 0-0
In Majors: 8-2 to Nadal

tennis_pro · 03-15-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

How it will end?

I'd say 26-13 for Nadal, 10-2 in GS

There is no way they play another 10 times when since 2008 they barely play twice a year. That would mean Federer will play for another 5 years which he won't.

Gonzo_style · 03-15-2013, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tennis_pro

There is no way they play another 10 times when since 2008 they barely play twice a year. That would mean Federer will play for another 5 years which he won't.

You might be right, Nadal will play more on clay in the future, with Federer is vice versa...

monfed · 03-15-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustard

Here's the current head-to-head in full:

Rafael Nadal 19-10 Roger Federer
2004 Miami R32: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-3)
2005 Miami F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-3, 6-1)
2005 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)
2006 Dubai F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (2-6, 6-4, 6-4)
2006 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-2, 6-7, 6-3, 7-6)
2006 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6)
2006 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)
2006 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3)
2006 Masters Cup SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 7-5)
2007 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4)
2007 Hamburg F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-2, 6-0)
2007 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)
2007 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-2)
2007 Masters Cup SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-1)
2008 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-5)
2008 Hamburg F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-7, 6-3)
2008 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)
2008 Wimbledon F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 9-7)
2009 Australian Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-2)
2009 Madrid F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-4)
2010 Madrid F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-6)
2010 World Tour Finals F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 3-6, 6-1)
2011 Miami SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-2)
2011 Madrid SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (5-7, 6-1, 6-3)
2011 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)
2011 World Tour Finals RR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-0)
2012 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-4)
2012 Indian Wells SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2013 Indian Wells QF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-2)

Hardcourt: 6-6
Clay: 12-2 to Nadal
Grass: 2-1 to Federer
Carpet: 0-0
In Majors: 8-2 to Nadal

Mustard, did you really have to post that?

Mustard · 03-15-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by monfed

Mustard, did you really have to post that?

I couldn't resist, monfed

Warmaster · 03-15-2013, 08:32 AM

I honestly don't get what's so important about h2h records. It's useful for predicting matches and to discuss matchups, but that's it. The record in itself isn't important, winning tournaments is.

Mainad · 03-15-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by monfed

Mustard, did you really have to post that?

Mustard is the Stats King around here. Of course he had to post that!

DropShotArtist · 03-15-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mainad

Mustard is the Stats King around here. Of course he had to post that!

Yeah he's good at posting stats, but doesn't actually understand them.

Gonzo_style · 03-15-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DropShotArtist

Yeah he's good at posting stats, but doesn't actually understand them.

delete, sorry...

Hood_Man · 03-15-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustard

Stats stats stats...

How many toothpicks?

PureAlph4 · 03-15-2013, 12:20 PM

Fedal Bakery H2H:

Bagels - Fed leads 3 to 1

Breadsticks - all square at 4 each

Nad missed a big chance to make a statement in the bakery yesterday. He will definitely end the series leading the breadstick stakes, but I think the bagel score will remain as is.

Mustard · 03-15-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DropShotArtist

Yeah he's good at posting stats, but doesn't actually understand them.

Any evidence for this assertion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PureAlph4

Fedal Bakery H2H:

Bagels - Fed leads 3 to 1

Breadsticks - all square at 4 each

Nad missed a big chance to make a statement in the bakery yesterday. He will definitely end the series leading the breadstick stakes, but I think the bagel score will remain as is.

Considering that Federer has only been bagelled once in the 21st century, that's some achievement.

Sorana fan · 03-15-2013, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Warmaster

I honestly don't get what's so important about h2h records. It's useful for predicting matches and to discuss matchups, but that's it. The record in itself isn't important, winning tournaments is.

I honestly don't get what's so important about QF streaks in GS. The streak in itself isn't important, winning tournaments is.

tennisaddict · 03-15-2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorana fan

I honestly don't get what's so important about QF streaks in GS. The streak in itself isn't important, winning tournaments is.

I will tell you why QF streak in GS is more important.

Any player can have a positive H2H or a good H2H against any other player. But not many players can claim to make major QF for 9 years at a stretch.

Is this hard to understand ?

DropShotArtist · 03-15-2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustard

Any evidence for this assertion?

Lance Armstrong is innocent, isn't that enough?

Sorana fan · 03-15-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tennisaddict

I will tell you why QF streak in GS is more important.

Any player can have a positive H2H or a good H2H against any other player. But not many players can claim to make major QF for 9 years at a stretch.

Is this hard to understand ?

No, that's wrong.

Not any player can have a positive H2H against any other player, specially not when you are the so called "GOAT", specially not after 30 matches.

Of course some average players can have a positive H2H against a top player, but it will never be a 18-10 or a 14-19 or a big amount of matches.
It could be something more like 4-3 , 3-1 , 5-3

If you play 30+ matches against someone and you are considered "best of all times" you'd better dont lose most of these matches, or people will start to think maybe you are not really that good

tennisaddict · 03-15-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorana fan

No, that's wrong.

Not any player can have a positive H2H against any other player, specially not when you are the so called "GOAT", specially not after 30 matches.

Of course some average players can have a positive H2H against a top player, but it will never be a 18-10 or a 14-19 or a big amount of matches.
It could be something more like 4-3 , 3-1 , 5-3

If you play 30+ matches against someone and you are considered "best of all times" you'd better dont lose most of these matches, or people will start to think maybe you are not really that good

Best of all times or GOAT is a direct measure of weeks at No 1 and number of majors and titles won.. There is clearly 1 man and no one else is close.

There is no end to H2H argument. Even if Fed had 19-10 over Nadal , I am sure ******** would say 10 losses to a player is shameful and not acceptable for a 'GOAT' player.

if Nadal comes close to 15 majors, he definitely can then be measured on par with Fed. But now he is not yet there.

Fed has at least 5 finals in each of the majors.. It is impossible for anyone else to achieve this.

Sorana fan · 03-15-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tennisaddict

Best of all times or GOAT is a direct measure of weeks at No 1 and number of majors and titles won.. There is clearly 1 man and no one else is close.

There is no end to H2H argument. Even if Fed had 19-10 over Nadal , I am sure ******** would say 10 losses to a player is shameful and not acceptable for a 'GOAT' player.

if Nadal comes close to 15 majors, he definitely can then be measured on par with Fed. But now he is not yet there.

Fed has at least 5 finals in each of the majors.. It is impossible for anyone else to achieve this.

I can buy the number of majors argument.

But the number of weeks at No1 only points out consistency or lack of injuries or weak-era. You can be No1 without getting more than one major a season if you are reaching the final stages of the tournaments and there is no other player in GOD-Mode e.g Federer06, Nadal10 or Nole11.

Number of major is something undisputed, number of weeks at No1 is not

Warmaster · 03-16-2013, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorana fan

I honestly don't get what's so important about QF streaks in GS. The streak in itself isn't important, winning tournaments is.

Have I ever said otherwise? Thanks for supporting my statement though.

03-15-2013, 08:06 AM	#1
Gonzo_style Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,186	Fedal H2H How it will end? I'd say 26-13 for Nadal, 10-2 in GS __________________ "You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else." - Durden

03-15-2013, 08:32 AM	#7
Warmaster Professional Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,440	I honestly don't get what's so important about h2h records. It's useful for predicting matches and to discuss matchups, but that's it. The record in itself isn't important, winning tournaments is. __________________ "We get 20 seconds, Nadal gets 45!" - X-Man

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