Hybrid: Which one is better setup,Multi/Poly or Poly/Multi?

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by uk_skippy

I agree with the points you've made as they mirror what I'm trying to say. As with all string set-ups, players need to understand what they want from the strings they choose and how it fits into their game, but also how it works in their rqts. This is the same reason why people choose the rqts they do based on their playing style.

If someone wants a spin set-up I wouldn't recommended a multi/poly. That set-up would work well for a player hitting flat(ter), although the poly cross will help with a bit of spin. It'll also work well in denser string patterns, but not exclusively.


In short (and not sure if you have this phrase in USA), but it's horses for courses; and going back to a previous post I quoted, just because 1 set-up doesn't work under certain circumstances it shouldn't be dismissed.

Regards

Paul

Gotcha

And no, that's not a typically American phrase, although I am partial to using "swings and roundabouts"

[INTO10s]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

Using a poly in the mains instead lets you reap the benefits of having a lot of resilience although with less elasticity. The multi in the crosses gives the string bed some more elasticity in the lateral direction, and this manifests itself in the form of power and comfort/damping.

So, its sounds like if you are a strong topspin hitter and you also want to soften the bed for comfort and touch then polys (probably smooth is better) in main and multis in crosses is a good combination. The problem is that it will not take long for the multis to fray and break, usually within 5 days of use. What multi would you recommend to increase its durability in type of hybrid combo. X one biphase, wilson sensation, prince primer attack, head RIP control which one of these would you suspect to hold up the best (all 16G)

[BigT]

Originally Posted by uk_skippy

Unfortunately you are wrong in some of what you say. Multi(filament) type strings are designed initially for performance & playability. They are a 'true' syn gut as they try and mimic natural gut. One of those properties is the comfort of the string I'll give you that, but that is not its main goal. Multis don't have as good as tension maintenance as regular nylon syn guts. With tension maintenance gut is king, followed by syn gut, multis then polys.

While you say that having the multi in the mains is counterproductive, it is not. As previous mentioned, most of the feel of the string bed comes from the mains strings. A multi/poly hybrid is merely an alternative set up to a poly/multi. Each set up gives differing characteristics and players using hybrids need to find which set up suits them better. One may only be better than the other only in respect of the player.

You mentioned that by having multis in the mains you lower the power. So by your words that would imply that a poly/multi would be more powerful. That is incorrect. As the main characteristics of the stringed comes from the mains, and multis are more powerful than polys, having a multi there would be more powerful. A full bed of a multi is more powerful than a full bed of poly.

A benefit of having multis or indeed syn gut in the crosses of a hybrid is to reduce the stiff(er) feel of full poly.

A gut/poly hybrid is a good choice because of the benefits of gut. Since nat gut & multis are similar as I've mentioned before, surely there's no reason to dismiss a multi/poly hybrid as you've done. In fact a multi/poly can be a cheaper alternative to gut/poly hybrid to those trying to get a similar type feel.

Regards

Paul

^^Couldn't have said it better myself...

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by INTO10s

So, its sounds like if you are a strong topspin hitter and you also want to soften the bed for comfort and touch then polys (probably smooth is better) in main and multis in crosses is a good combination. The problem is that it will not take long for the multis to fray and break, usually within 5 days of use. What multi would you recommend to increase its durability in type of hybrid combo. X one biphase, wilson sensation, prince primer attack, head RIP control which one of these would you suspect to hold up the best (all 16G)

I would expect Head RIP Control 16 and Prince Premiere Attack 16 to last the longest.

[Muppet]

I think a multi cross would last longer than a multi main because the poly main would rub along the multi. A poly cross would rub across the multi main. This would be magnified by a shaped poly cross. Somehow, this is not the case with a nat gut main. Something about the gut's oils acting as lubrication.

[TennisCJC]

Been hybriding for last 6+ years. For last year, i have been using lots of syn gut mains/poly cross and multi mains/poly cross and I really like this setup. I get feel and softness from the multi with added control and spin from the poly. I call this the poor mans Federer setup which is gut mains/poly cross. I have played gut mains/poly cross many times and love it but too expensive. Currently using NRG2 17G multi mains 51 lbs/TF RuffCode 17G poly 47 lbs and I really like it - very good for first 8-10 hours. Then OK until multi bites the dust around 14-15 hours.

I did use poly mains/multi cross a lot in my previous racket where I wanted to tone down the rackets inherit power a bit.

I think if you are an all court player that volleys a fair amount, the best setups are 1. gut/poly, 2. multi/poly, and 3. syn gut/poly. The softer mains provide much better feel at net.

If you depend on a power baseline game or you really need to tone down the power level of your racket, the best setups are 1. poly/multi, and 2. poly/syn gut. If you are rich, poly/gut, but this is a waste of gut for most of us as the the mains determine approximately 75% of a rackets feel.

[anubis]

What tension would you recommend for stringing up a poly main/multi cross hybrid?

I'd like to tame the stiffness of my 2013 APD by my normal Tourna BHB7 main and Prince premier attack cross.

My favorite tension (though my wrist can't handle it) is between 50 and 54 lbs for full bed poly.

Should I keep the same tension for a hybrid? I was thinking 54 mains, 52 crosses.

[JackB1]

Originally Posted by TennisCJC

Been hybriding for last 6+ years. For last year, i have been using lots of syn gut mains/poly cross and multi mains/poly cross and I really like this setup. I get feel and softness from the multi with added control and spin from the poly. I call this the poor mans Federer setup which is gut mains/poly cross. I have played gut mains/poly cross many times and love it but too expensive. Currently using NRG2 17G multi mains 51 lbs/TF RuffCode 17G poly 47 lbs and I really like it - very good for first 8-10 hours. Then OK until multi bites the dust around 14-15 hours.

I did use poly mains/multi cross a lot in my previous racket where I wanted to tone down the rackets inherit power a bit.

I think if you are an all court player that volleys a fair amount, the best setups are 1. gut/poly, 2. multi/poly, and 3. syn gut/poly. The softer mains provide much better feel at net.

If you depend on a power baseline game or you really need to tone down the power level of your racket, the best setups are 1. poly/multi, and 2. poly/syn gut. If you are rich, poly/gut, but this is a waste of gut for most of us as the the mains determine approximately 75% of a rackets feel.

totally agree about multi/poly not being a wasted setup. It might give someone more pop and touch that they would benefit from. The ONLY hybrid that makes little sense to me is one with nat gut crosses...unless you have $$$ to burn.

[corners]

Originally Posted by SJSA

I currently string multi in main and poly in cross for comfort and durability.
Many people go for poly/multi for spin and control, I believe.
My stringer told me most feel and effect from main and cross just supports main.
Are there any other benefits for these two different setups?

Neither. Poly/syngut is better and cheaper. Just strings a little lower to achieve the same stringbed stiffness of poly/multi. Sticky, fragile multis are not a good choice for cross strings, IMHO.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by corners

Neither. Poly/syngut is better and cheaper. Just strings a little lower to achieve the same stringbed stiffness of poly/multi. Sticky, fragile multis are not a good choice for cross strings, IMHO.

If you can afford a decent multi as a cross, it will be more comfortable. The better multis are smooth and worth the extra few bucks.

[SJSA]

Originally Posted by fgs

SJSA,

you mention that you string multi in the mains for comfort and durability. what set-up you use currently and what durability do you get out of it would be an interesting information.

i'm playing hybrids myself for almost four years now, but i put the poly in the mains, since i have a heavily topspin oriented game. i tried it out with multi in the mains too, but the durability was from 15 minutes including warm-up to slightly less than a two hours hitting session which included an hour of intensive practice and then the remainder matchplay, so this definitely is not an option for me.

You're right.
It was my first multi/poly (Genesis Thunder Blast & Prince Beast XP) setup and last long only less than 8 hrs of play. Beast eats up Blast.
I learned the best hybrid setup is gut/poly.
Next one is poly/multi.

[xsmasher]

I use multi mains and poly crosses in my 18x20 since it last long enough and has good power for dense string bed. And the opposite way around for my 16x19 racquet.

[SJSA]

Mine is Prince EXO3 Tour 16x18.