How do you protest someone's rating?

[ttwarrior1]

And do it anonymously

Tourney director? A usta official? Anyway to do it by email?

This one guy just brags over and over that he is stunned they haven't moved him up from 4.0

He won his last tourney 6-0 6-0 in every match

Tourney before he told me he lost games on purpose so he wouldn't get moved up.

This is pretty much not wanting me to play the next tourney if he is in. Why play if you know you can't come close to beatin him. He needs to move up. Its that simple.

He will fight it if someone says he needs to move up

[spinorama]

Why not just let the system do what it is suppose to do....? He will get bumped automatically by the computer as soon as he should, until then just keep playing.

[IA-SteveB]

I don't get how people in tennis can be so ultra competitive yet enjoy bageling people. Tell him to man up and play up if he wants something to brag about.

[ttwarrior1]

He's also the #1 ranked 4.0 in the state. I didnt know the computer was the one doing it. Maybe the computers are behind.

Do they wait until after the state tourneys are over to try to get people in those divisions to play? then move them up.

He will lose more games on purpose again in the tourney in 2 weeks. You can't tell he does it. You think he would get caught by someone that can almost beat him.

Yeh you would think he would want to move up. He don't. He's satisfied where he's at

[beernutz]

I've seen your video OP.

[ttwarrior1]

yeh and that vid is just a vid of me doing practice serves after playing in 100 degree weather for 4 hours. I got paid 1 k to make that vid . Someone dared me to make a vid of me serving and I did. I have several others though posted on the sportsbook forum Im apart of

This thread is about me??? Uh no . Learn how to read beernutz

[roman40]

Originally Posted by ttwarrior1

He's also the #1 ranked 4.0 in the state. I didnt know the computer was the one doing it. Maybe the computers are behind.

Do they wait until after the state tourneys are over to try to get people in those divisions to play? then move them up.

He will lose more games on purpose again in the tourney in 2 weeks. You can't tell he does it. You think he would get caught by someone that can almost beat him.

Yeh you would think he would want to move up. He don't. He's satisfied where he's at

Is the only one you can't beat? Is so, you should be moved up as well

Anyway, I don't think you can do it anonymously. Maybe you can get someone else to file a grievance. Also, he must know the rating system very well, if he's able to stay on top and still not get bumped. I'd think he would have to throw some matches and lose some tourneys to avoid the bump.

[andfor]

You can protest anonymously. It's like turning someone into the IRS, you will be known by all parties. You need to submit your protest to the local league coordinator, cc the state and sectional league coordinators as well. You need to read the how to file a protest FAQ's their out their but I'm not going to look them up. Beware, the player needs to be a self-rate and you'll need more evidence he needs to be bumped up like playing history. If you file incorrectly without all your ducks in a row, you'll be denied and look like just another poor sport.

[floydcouncil]

Originally Posted by ttwarrior1

And do it anonymously

Tourney director? A usta official? Anyway to do it by email?

This one guy just brags over and over that he is stunned they haven't moved him up from 4.0

He won his last tourney 6-0 6-0 in every match

Tourney before he told me he lost games on purpose so he wouldn't get moved up.

This is pretty much not wanting me to play the next tourney if he is in. Why play if you know you can't come close to beatin him. He needs to move up. Its that simple.

He will fight it if someone says he needs to move up

Why do you care what the guy does with his time and money? If he wants to fork over entry fees and tank few games and win easily at 4.0, then that's his business.

Why don't you focus on your game and improve so you can give him some competition or possibly beat him?

[gameboy]

If you have seen OP's video, you would know that he is just trolling. Dali, Aurellian and TT are probably all one and the same person.

Please don't waste your time nor energy.

[Aurellian]

Originally Posted by gameboy

If you have seen OP's video, you would know that he is just trolling. Dali, Aurellian and TT are probably all one and the same person.

Please don't waste your time nor energy.

Dude, stop hating. I only post under one name. Don't you have anything better to do than be (bad) a troll hunter on TT?

If you don't like a thread, ignore it.

[chatt_town]

My understanding is the tourneys don't count toward anything in usta anymore because people were using the tourneys to go and lose matches 0 and 0 just to get their rating lowered. It's the league play that can get him burned if wins like this. A tourney isn't going to get him bumped...at least that is my understanding.

Originally Posted by ttwarrior1

And do it anonymously

Tourney director? A usta official? Anyway to do it by email?

This one guy just brags over and over that he is stunned they haven't moved him up from 4.0

He won his last tourney 6-0 6-0 in every match

Tourney before he told me he lost games on purpose so he wouldn't get moved up.

This is pretty much not wanting me to play the next tourney if he is in. Why play if you know you can't come close to beatin him. He needs to move up. Its that simple.

He will fight it if someone says he needs to move up

[schmke]

Some sections do include tourneys, some don't.

[beernutz]

Originally Posted by ttwarrior1

yeh and that vid is just a vid of me doing practice serves after playing in 100 degree weather for 4 hours. I got paid 1 k to make that vid . Someone dared me to make a vid of me serving and I did. I have several others though posted on the sportsbook forum Im apart of

This thread is about me??? Uh no . Learn how to read beernutz

I have seen your videoS. Not just the one of your serves and not all of the videos I saw were filmed on the same day. Switch hands with the raquet much?

[chatt_town]

Really...now that really makes no sense. Let me guess....no one knows which ones do and which ones don't. I'm sure that was thrown out there to cause even more confusion.

Originally Posted by schmke

Some sections do include tourneys, some don't.

[dizzlmcwizzl]

Originally Posted by chatt_town

Really...now that really makes no sense. Let me guess....no one knows which ones do and which ones don't. I'm sure that was thrown out there to cause even more confusion.

Usually the individual sections let you know if they are counting tournies. I know that middles states counts them ... but I cannot find a link on line at this moment.

[chatt_town]

I don't understand why usta would allow this. This can clearly cause inconsistencies in ratings. O well...that shouldn't be surprising I guess.

Originally Posted by dizzlmcwizzl

Usually the individual sections let you know if they are counting tournies. I know that middles states counts them ... but I cannot find a link on line at this moment.

[schmke]

Originally Posted by chatt_town

I don't understand why usta would allow this. This can clearly cause inconsistencies in ratings. O well...that shouldn't be surprising I guess.

Sections do document or will tell you when asked if they count them or not. PNW doesn't, Texas does, Inter-Mountain does, etc.

To make it better, Sections also get to choose which of their other leagues count towards ratings. All Sections count the leagues that lead to Nationals (often called the "Spring" leagues), but the other leagues like Combo, Tri-Level, Summer, Fall, One Doubles, etc. are all included at the discretion of the Section.

The benefit of including more leagues is there are more matches and more data to base the ratings on. This is important when you have players that may only play a couple matches during the Spring league season as it allows more matches to be included for them and a rating to be generated and be more accurate.

Of course the downside is that these other leagues can be used by system gamers to manipulate their rating to position themselves for the Spring league the following year.

[dizzlmcwizzl]

I do not know why. Generally, in terms of public policy, I think having more local control is a good thing. Not sure that is appropriate for the USTA, but quite frankly because such a small percentage of the population ever plays outside their section, it probably does not matter.

I will note that two years ago I was targeted to be bumped up at early start ratings time. I had played in sectionals and had done well, but at year end ratings time I was not bumped.

At that time 2 captains complained that their player was bumped and I was not. The reason they received back from the district co-coordinator was that even though I had played well at sectionals our national representative played poorly at nationals. Because the section believed we were not competitive nationally the section decided to lower all of the bench marked 4.0's in our section.

I of course cannot guarantee this is actually what happened, but it seems to me that this is anecdotal evidence that local sections have a good bit of control over the ratings of their players.

[schmke]

The benchmark calculations done after Nationals and part of year-end ratings are intended to help normalize ratings across all the Sections, but I would think it would all be an automatic calculation (your rep at Nationals did poorly, so people that played them in playoffs get recalculated down and people that played them also get recalculated down). I wouldn't think it would be a subjective thing, but I've heard comments made a few times that perhaps there is a option for a subjective override. Anyone know for sure?