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03-15-2013, 03:36 PM
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Ok this is going to be a massive post so just beware.
In terms of greatness of winners (points) and variety I think the following makes a solid case: God Mode exhibit A: Freaky Lobs Concoctions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hp-EArV6s8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc1RCqidtTg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yidqJM1Xl4U God Mode exhibit B: Tweeners http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37qyvTRVus8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QobvppHSjB4 God mode exhibit C: Serve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QZQe-B4cNI God mode exhibit D: Forehand Demonstration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_CuXqNBr2c God mode exhibit E: Backhand Demonstration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bByvWPmMZ_8 God mode exhibit F: Slice Demonstration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B01nhqJizTc God mode exhibit G: Return Demonstration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxzFlrFfUrg God mode exhibit H: Volley http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INE4Y5CzoBM God mode exhibit I: Dropshot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAeFXIIq95A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq33L8K2mVs God mode exhibit J: Smash (Both Backhand and Forehand) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2vF9xnL-EU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCownMHsCTI Actual matches where Fed enters God Mode and it's scary Federer vs Roddick - Australian Open 2007 Semi Final 6-4, 6-0, 6-2 Full Match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Bdn-Ml8rU Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ikx0Du735Y Federer vs Hewitt - U.S. Open 2004 Final 6-0, 7-6 (3), 6-0 Full Match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge17unv-XrI Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfb2PDlIc3o Federer vs Nadal - World Tour Finals 2007 Semi Final 6-4, 6-1 Full Match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed7iRmkUhek Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR7do5BFgzA Federer vs Nadal - World Tour Finals 2011 Round Robin 6-3, 6-0 Full Match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjwaygk40LM Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6az62bmV5hM Federer vs Gaudio - World Tour Finals 2005 Round Robin 6-0, 6-0 Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwreJJgeYIg Federer vs Del Potro - Australian Open 2009 Quarter Finals 6-3, 6-0, 6-0 Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfqC_DqQyE Federer vs Blake - World Tour Finals 2006 Final 6-0, 6-3, 6-4 Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imLOdUK0Kfs Federer vs Agassi - World Tour Finals 2003 Final 6-3, 6-0, 6-4 Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_dgHOVPy9g there's some more, but looking at the screen is beginning to hurt.
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03-15-2013, 03:43 PM
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man that took a while, and it sucks I was going to embed the videos and all but it came looking all messed up. Oh well I'll keep the formatting as such.
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03-15-2013, 03:54 PM
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Nice links forzamilan, now imagine if they had high def and You Tube around for Laver and all the greats after that? Or even Gonzalez forward? Modern tennis watchers, including myself, should often be reminded that tennis is much, much bigger than what's only on Tennis Channel these days.
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03-15-2013, 04:52 PM
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03-15-2013, 05:22 PM
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I would add Becker vs Edberg and Wilander Davis Cup finals '89 (I think only god mode Fed/Sampras/or Mac could even compete against Becker that weekend on that fast indoor court) Edberg vs Jim C USO final '91 Edberg vs Wilander AO semi '90 Sampras vs Becker Masters final '94 and '96 Sampras vs Becker Wimbledon final '95 Becker vs Sampras Stuttgart finals '96 Wilander vs Leconte FO final '88 Wilander vs Lendl USO final '88 Lendl vs many during his terminator/Darth Vader mode reign '85-'87 Sampras vs Agassi many times |
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03-15-2013, 05:25 PM
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03-15-2013, 07:33 PM
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also for nadal, RG 2008 SF vs djokovic, but not RG 2008 F vs federer ?
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As for Nadal's 2008 RG, it's hard to pick a match from there (and I didn't want to pick more than one) because he was so dominant throughout the tournament. His level against Federer was also very high, of course, but at the same time, once Federer fell behind in the 3rd, it looked as if he just went through the motions a little bit. Djokovc is the only one who managed to put up some resistance. He won more games than Verdasco, Almagro and Federer combined. Last edited by Benhur : 03-16-2013 at 04:02 AM. |
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03-16-2013, 05:52 AM
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This is exactly what I meant by peak play. Good choice. Fed can do no wrong!
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03-16-2013, 06:25 AM
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It's nice that we have video and the internet available in the way we do to see examples of peak play for Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic for example, but we can't use it in the same way to see and assess peak play for players like Gonzalez, Rosewall, Laver, Borg, McEnroe, and even Sampras to a large extent. Even with Sampras, YouTube, video, and the internet was not used in the way it is these days. Well, at least we can see today's tennis in High Def, with great audio and video quality. Therefore, we have to greatly rely upon what each of us has been able to observe and also read about from the accounts of others as to players from past eras.
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03-16-2013, 06:28 AM
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Relying on memory is pretty tricky, you're more likely to remember the winners than the unforced errors. It is a shame HD wasn't around from the 60's though. http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...long&lclk=long Quite a few big matches there. Any of those good showcases to Borg's peak level? Turns out the 1969 US Open final with Laver and Roche is online. Would that match give an idea of the ability of Laver? Last edited by NatF : 03-16-2013 at 06:36 AM. |
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03-16-2013, 06:41 AM
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If the sole criteria for being included in this discussion is just peak level of play then this has to expand the discussion beyond just the normal GOAT contenders (who seem to be taking up the majority of the discussion). If overall achievements do not matter than I would say include the following players, especially if as hoodjem says, the criteria is peak play in one match.
Safin: he was an erratic mess of potential and his game had technical flaws that were exploitable (forehand that could be broken down, inconsistent at net)..but when he clicked he CLICKED. The 2005 AO is an example of that. His weaknesses in that tournament never really showed up against Fed, Fed played great..Satin was better on the day. Overall he was all over the place though. Mary Pierce: yes I know this discussion is about men but I can't just not mention her. The 94 french SF against Graf fits so perfectly into what I interpret this discussion to be about. Pierce flat out destroyed the Graf forehand, neutralized her movement as much as could possibly be done, stopped her dead. Graf had nothing to beat her with. If Pierce could have played like that everyday she would have won double digit majors easily. Ivanisevic: OK maybe he does not fit perfectly in but on grass with his serve he was a force to he reckoned with on his best day. It was either serve your best and pray for a miracle in the likely tie break or get beaten. These are 3 examples that came to my mind when I read the thread title. Now..I am not saying their peak is better than Lavers, Borges,Macs etc. But if the thread is really about peak play for just 1 match...you can't really just center the discussion around just them. I have immense respect for all of them, but in terms of pure peak level for a single match..if cumulative stats are not to be considered..you have to look outside the box a little. Just my opinion though. |
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03-16-2013, 06:42 AM
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Boredone, I think that's a valid point. There are other players that are less accomplished overall, but still exhibited great peak level of play.
Also, I completely agree NatF. There is quite a bit, but with the HD video and crystal clear audio, modern tennis can be seen in a way that it could not before. Plus, the editing capabilities these days make those great Video highlights amazing. I know this is not shotmaking based, but this is some good stuff as far as Borg, Sampras, and Federer. Watch Borg and Lendl here, with old technology indoors and on clay, as well as video of Borg vs. McEnroe, Connors, and Vilas, on varied surfaces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYa1bSRoOzs (Kings of Wimbledon) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyuiEzBb7hk (thanks Borgforever) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL__OcegrbY (thanks Krosero) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKQVdZNsyuQ (thanks Krosero) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTMx--E0OhY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND6BqlTwZbU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-BwXwUzMLo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhbI...=results_video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCAS3FjJvFI
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For instance, Rosewall and Laver were both much quicker, faster, and better movers than Isner or Karlovic. Maybe they have longer strides, but these latter two are rather lumbering and slow by comparison.
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