• Twitter
  • Facebook
  • Blog
  • Blogs
  • FAQ

Go Back   Talk Tennis > Competitive Tennis Talk > Pros' Racquets and Gear
Reload this Page Federer and Nadal switch racquets
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-20-2013, 09:23 PM   #1
Stevo Karlovic
Rookie
 
Stevo Karlovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Phila, PA
Posts: 112
Default Federer and Nadal switch racquets

What would happen if Nadal was forced to play with the Six.One 90? I believe this hypothetical question answers any doubt that racquet technology has great bearing on the one-sidedness of this rivalry. That Aero Pro Drive with RPM Blast absolutely scorches the ball, and in essence, covers far more court with its high forgiveness. This is a glaring advantage that Federer should not be so stubborn or naïve to, any longer.

Consider this:

Two out of three PGA Tour golfers carry an "R" series driver by Taylormade. The R7 inparticular, was carried by an uncanny, 75% of golfers in 2009.
Stevo Karlovic is offline   Reply With Quote
Stevo Karlovic
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Stevo Karlovic
Old 03-20-2013, 09:36 PM   #2
VeeSe
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 149
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevo Karlovic View Post
What would happen if Nadal was forced to play with the Six.One 90? I believe this hypothetical question answers any doubt that racquet technology has great bearing on the one-sidedness of this rivalry. That Aero Pro Drive with RPM Blast absolutely scorches the ball, and in essence, covers far more court with its high forgiveness. This is a glaring advantage that Federer should not be so stubborn or naïve to, any longer.

Consider this:

Two out of three PGA Tour golfers carry an "R" series driver by Taylormade. The R7 inparticular, was carried by an uncanny, 75% of golfers in 2009.
Consider this:

ATP tour players have the same choice that pro golfers do of using the racquet that they prefer. Yet I don't see 75% of pro tennis players using Babolats. In fact, I see players using an array of racquets. This has existed forever. Sampras used a small headed racquet, very similar to Federer's. Agassi used an oversize racquet. There's not one racquet for everybody.
VeeSe is offline   Reply With Quote
VeeSe
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by VeeSe
Old 03-21-2013, 05:31 AM   #3
Devilito
Hall Of Fame
 
Devilito's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 3,229
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeeSe View Post
Consider this:

ATP tour players have the same choice that pro golfers do of using the racquet that they prefer. Yet I don't see 75% of pro tennis players using Babolats. In fact, I see players using an array of racquets. This has existed forever. Sampras used a small headed racquet, very similar to Federer's. Agassi used an oversize racquet. There's not one racquet for everybody.
Ignore federer and nadal. The top 5 are like in a different sport from the rest of the field. Imagine a player that just hit the top 100, is finally able to afford fries with his burger, gets a call from babolat, “Hey, so what’s your favorite racquet?”, “Wilson, why?”….. “well how about if we offered you $100,000/ year to use babolat?”…. “did I say Wilson? I meant Babolat!.... so when will the check get here?”
Devilito is offline   Reply With Quote
Devilito
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Devilito
Old 03-21-2013, 05:42 AM   #4
dje31
Semi-Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 456
Default

TaylorMade also has a huge "pay-to-play" / "tee-it-up" incentive on the PGA tour. HUGE marketing / sponsorship budget. Pros may have another sponsor brand on their hat, bag, etc., but put a TM driver in there.

Lots of pros need the extra income, and their sponsorship contract often allows other brands in the bag. Hard to blame them.

Plus, drivers are used, essentially, for one shot: off the tee, booming down the fairway. Okay, sometimes they use them for relief on a free drop, using the longest club in the bag.

Tennis players use one racquet for all shots...at least they used to. I seem to recall, in the not-too-distant past, folks who play singles would, on occasion, come to net to volley, but that may be an urban myth.

Last edited by dje31 : 03-21-2013 at 06:37 AM.
dje31 is offline   Reply With Quote
dje31
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by dje31
Old 03-21-2013, 08:22 AM   #5
ollinger
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,428
Default

"I believe this hypothetical question answers any doubt...." intones the OP. How, kind sir, can a hypothetical quesion ever resolve doubt?? Look up the definition of "question."
__________________
Angell 105
WC Silverstring
ollinger is offline   Reply With Quote
ollinger
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by ollinger
Old 03-21-2013, 09:50 AM   #6
amx13
Semi-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 448
Default

I would say both of them would struggle with each frame, Nadal would hardly generate the same spin and power with the wilson, and Federer would hardly keep the ball on the court with the babolat. Those frame are as opposed as can be in terms of feel, so getting used to them would be really hard on both players.
amx13 is offline   Reply With Quote
amx13
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by amx13
Old 03-21-2013, 12:47 PM   #7
TheCheese
Professional
 
TheCheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 867
Default

I think Federer's game would translate much better to Nadal's racket than the other way around.
TheCheese is offline   Reply With Quote
TheCheese
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by TheCheese
Old 03-21-2013, 01:30 PM   #8
dje31
Semi-Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 456
Default

^^^ TheCheese speaks the truth. Word up.
dje31 is offline   Reply With Quote
dje31
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by dje31
Old 03-21-2013, 10:28 PM   #9
Stevo Karlovic
Rookie
 
Stevo Karlovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Phila, PA
Posts: 112
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ollinger View Post
"I believe this hypothetical question answers any doubt...." intones the OP. How, kind sir, can a hypothetical quesion ever resolve doubt?? Look up the definition of "question."
My man, since you only have the ability to read words and not their meanings, I'll elaborate in a more conservative way to appease your narrow-mindedness: "I believe this hypothetical question answers any doubt", is to suggest that all those reading the "what if (?)", would render the same determination - that being Nadal would have very little success wielding Federer's racquet.

Now, do you have anything to offer in response to the content of my original post? Not that you hadn't already understood the angle perfectly fine, but decided to wax elitism and mindfully take the low-road.
Stevo Karlovic is offline   Reply With Quote
Stevo Karlovic
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Stevo Karlovic
Old 03-24-2013, 08:04 AM   #10
Praetorian
Semi-Pro
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 696
Default

Federer would still be ranked where he is, +/- 2 spots. Nadal would drop out of the top 100, and concentrate on online poker.
Praetorian is offline   Reply With Quote
Praetorian
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Praetorian
Old 03-24-2013, 08:44 AM   #11
hoodjem
Legend
 
hoodjem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Bierlandt
Posts: 9,971
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCheese View Post
I think Federer's game would translate much better to Nadal's racket than the other way around.
So how would Nadal's game translate to a wooden racquet with a 66 sq. in. head-size, and natural gut strings?
__________________
The smart man thinks he knows a lot; the wise man is aware that he knows little.
hoodjem is offline   Reply With Quote
hoodjem
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by hoodjem
Old 03-31-2013, 03:45 AM   #12
mikeespinmusic
Rookie
 
mikeespinmusic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dje31 View Post
I seem to recall, in the not-too-distant past, folks who play singles would, on occasion, come to net to volley, but that may be an urban myth.
That's crazy talk..... Back to the nut house for you!

:P
__________________
Yes, we know it's all about the technique. But if your racquet collapses every time you volley..you need to add some lead to it...

Last edited by mikeespinmusic : 03-31-2013 at 03:48 AM.
mikeespinmusic is offline   Reply With Quote
mikeespinmusic
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by mikeespinmusic
Old 03-31-2013, 04:17 AM   #13
brage tennis
New User
 
brage tennis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: The land of the vikings
Posts: 68
Default

if they switched rackets Federer would hit everything long and nadal would frame like crazy!
brage tennis is offline   Reply With Quote
brage tennis
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by brage tennis
Old 03-31-2013, 05:20 AM   #14
Relinquis
Hall Of Fame
 
Relinquis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: On the courts; hard & clay ...
Posts: 4,326
Default

I'm pretty sure federer could lead up the babolat close to his required weight and balance. might be a little stiff and uncomfortable though.

could be a bigger adjustment for nadal, but i think he could still hit a heavy ball. might have to adjust to a different launch angle or end up going for more extreme angles instead of his normally loopy shots. he might also find that he can just blast people off the court and shorten points by driving the ball more. i don't think it will change his style materially. would probably be very similar or the same results in their head to head.

i think, for nadal, the adjustment will be more psychological than anything else.
__________________
Disclaimer: I'm NOT a coach...
Real tennis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDqnkLJ9BtM

Last edited by Relinquis : 03-31-2013 at 05:26 AM.
Relinquis is offline   Reply With Quote
Relinquis
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Relinquis
Old 03-31-2013, 07:31 AM   #15
tbuggle
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Western North Carolina
Posts: 1,887
Default

Nadal would still pick his ***** and sniff his hand before every serve.

Fed would still never give his winning opponent any credit, claiming if he had played better he wouldn't have lost.

nothing would change.
__________________
I got some rackets, and I got a stringer.
tbuggle is online now   Reply With Quote
tbuggle
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by tbuggle
Old 04-02-2013, 10:41 AM   #16
SwankPeRFection
Professional
 
SwankPeRFection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,029
Default

For those of you who think Fed can't hit like Nadal simply because of the racquet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDNRNv5FBC0

Ya, can you imagine how boring that will be to watch 3+ hours of that bs going back and forth?
SwankPeRFection is offline   Reply With Quote
SwankPeRFection
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by SwankPeRFection
Old 04-02-2013, 10:45 AM   #17
The Meat
Professional
 
The Meat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,308
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection View Post
For those of you who think Fed can't hit like Nadal simply because of the racquet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDNRNv5FBC0

Ya, can you imagine how boring that will be to watch 3+ hours of that bs going back and forth?
With a bigger racquet Federer would still be hitting the same shots, only less shanking.

Also, why bump an old thread, that is a clone of several other threads?

Might as well bump the older original thread, linking it to this bump. Bumpception.
The Meat is offline   Reply With Quote
The Meat
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by The Meat
Old 04-02-2013, 10:54 AM   #18
SwankPeRFection
Professional
 
SwankPeRFection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,029
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Meat View Post
With a bigger racquet Federer would still be hitting the same shots, only less shanking.

Also, why bump an old thread, that is a clone of several other threads?

Might as well bump the older original thread, linking it to this bump. Bumpception.
lol, ya, that'll help with the mishits.

And this is hardly an old thread. You act like this thread was created in 2011 or something.
SwankPeRFection is offline   Reply With Quote
SwankPeRFection
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by SwankPeRFection
Old 04-07-2013, 09:32 AM   #19
SuperHead
New User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 65
Default

It would be really awesome if they swapped rackets.
SuperHead is offline   Reply With Quote
SuperHead
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by SuperHead
Old 04-07-2013, 09:42 AM   #20
Lukhas
Professional
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: France
Posts: 1,297
Default

Nadal's not going to like Fed's racquet if it happens, despite the open pattern. Not sure Fed would like a head heavy but lighter one either though. Would kill his net play. Does the racquet switch includes the string switch? Because Federer has little to gain by going full poly.
Lukhas is online now   Reply With Quote
Lukhas
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by Lukhas
Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »


Go Back   Talk Tennis > Competitive Tennis Talk > Pros' Racquets and Gear
Reload this Page Federer and Nadal switch racquets

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Hybrid Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode
Threaded Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:25 PM.

Talk Tennis :: Powered By Tennis Warehouse - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2006 - Tennis Warehouse