Tiger or Lion? (Strength or just your preference)

[legolas]

its like ptting an 800 pound mako shark against an 800 pound great white, one is fierce an scary, the other fierce and hungry

[Camilio Pascual]

Originally Posted by scotus

Let's just say that lions are conditioned--both by hereditary conditioning (or instinct) and experience--to know that cuts and injuries, even seemingly minor ones, can lead to debilitating conditions, which in the wild basically means death. Animals know about infections pretty much the same way our human ancestors knew about infections. They did not know the exact causes and the germs involved, but they knew that some wounds just do not heal but get worse and lead to more serious conditions, often leading to death. Lions grow up seeing this all around them.

Plus, the most feral ones have been and are selected against and do not contribute their feral behaviour as much to the gene pool.

[stc9357]

The tiger will win hands down I can't even believe somebody would say a lion would win. Tiger have a distinct weight advantage they are far more powerful and the Lions can't compete against it. It would be like roddick firing 140 mph serves at the average rec. player they wouldn't even touch the ball.

[vkartikv]

How about man (without firearms or weapons) vs. tiger+lion? Would that finally teach man not to hunt down defenseless creatures?

[Noelle]

Originally Posted by Tenny

http://www.shambala.org/biographies/patrick.htm

Oh, Noelle is a Tigon!

I can't believe you actually went and did research on that, Tenny. You busted me; I have a lioness for a mother and a tiger for a father.

[Tenny]

Originally Posted by Noelle

I can't believe you actually went and did research on that, Tenny. You busted me; I have a lioness for a mother and a tiger for a father.

Do they get along well, Noelle, the Tigon? Seems you gotta help your father from time to time

Check this out.
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict4.html (Thanks to DanN, It's very helpful, thanks DanN!)

* Seated next to a tiger, the lion is composed. The tiger, on the other hand, is usually nervous and apprehensive. The tiger does not seem to have the lion's capacity for calm analysis and appraisal. This puts him at a disadvantage in a fight with a lion."

*The tiger has no rival as a pure predator, but hates the idea of a fight. As a lone predator, fighting for the tiger is an extremely bad idea and injury from a fight could spell starvation.
Predation for food should not be confused with ability in battle. It is a common misapprehension that being the better solitary hunter automatically means the tiger will also be the better fighter. This is incorrect as the techniques used and experiences involved are quite different.
*In the case of a lion killing another maned male many have learnt to attack beyond the mane, usually at the back of the front leg.
This happens particularly in southern areas where the lions have very thick manes. It is a purely learnt behaviour and the tiger would not know this technique, having never needed to use it.


*Famous tamer Clyde Beatty made his name for working alone in a cage surrounded by forty wild lions and tigers. He is quoted as saying:
"I can cite a few instances of male tigers whipping male lions, but I can't think of one such case where the tiger didn't have a distinct advantage. I also recall a case where a tiger had a marked advantage and lost the fight. The lion seems to have no fear of the tiger.

Conclusion:

*The tiger has a longer body, and is usually more powerful in the back legs, having evolved this way for great speed and unmatched leaping power. The lion evolved primarily for fighting, with a larger head and more power in the forequarters. Paradoxically this has made him a poor predator.

It seems obvious that there are a small number of tigers out there which are superior fighters to the lion, but across the majority of the animals, the lion would probably indeed be the King of the Beasts. The ultimate conclusion is up to the reader, and this article seeks not to give you a definite answer, only something to ponder on. Perhaps the final comment should come from animal trainer Louis Roth, who once said he had "seen enough fights to conclude that none of the theories is accurate; sometimes a lion would win, sometimes a tiger".

[Tenny]

Grizzly bear pit fights:

The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. The grizzlies, using their paw as a club, shattered the unfortunate bull's skull or shoulder bones so easily that the betting became poor.
Eventually, and at considerable cost, African lions were brought in to raise the stakes. The most fierce of the adult males was sent in whilst the grizzly was already waiting in the pits. The lion was known for bravely charging straight in and looked good for the money, but the grizzly killed a male lion almost as easily as he'd killed the bull.
The Californians never understood why. We now know that it was enormously strong bone density meeting a low density skull. At a range of 4 feet the blow crashed in before the lion could apply the wind pipe lock, which is lion and tiger learnt behaviour for taking down prey animals.
The ferocity of this animal easily matches that of an unsettled African lion.

[DFoo]

Originally Posted by Tenny

Grizzly bear pit fights:

The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. The grizzlies, using their paw as a club, shattered the unfortunate bull's skull or shoulder bones so easily that the betting became poor.
Eventually, and at considerable cost, African lions were brought in to raise the stakes. The most fierce of the adult males was sent in whilst the grizzly was already waiting in the pits. The lion was known for bravely charging straight in and looked good for the money, but the grizzly killed a male lion almost as easily as he'd killed the bull.
The Californians never understood why. We now know that it was enormously strong bone density meeting a low density skull. At a range of 4 feet the blow crashed in before the lion could apply the wind pipe lock, which is lion and tiger learnt behaviour for taking down prey animals.
The ferocity of this animal easily matches that of an unsettled African lion.

LOL, another forum used to do fights exactly like this. I vote SILVERBACK MOUNTAIN GORILLA, or a Utah Raptor/or cousin rather(Jurassic Park raptor)

[Tenny]

Originally Posted by DFoo

LOL, another forum used to do fights exactly like this. I vote SILVERBACK MOUNTAIN GORILLA, or a Utah Raptor/or cousin rather(Jurassic Park raptor)

Raptor? How about Raptor vs. Grizzly Bear? I might sound like a idiot roman citizen at the collesseum but just curious. Or, even though I saw a video of Killer Whale killing a Great white shark, I still wonder what would happen if those two animals of same size fight each other.