Why do Muslims hate the Jews?

[max]

I have no notion, but what's the origin of this feuding?

[hgb765]

something about both claiming to be the owner of israel

[diegaa]

´man, you do enjoy these long endless threads, dont you?

as hgb765 said, both sides claim the holy land. not so long ago the christians also wanted it.

[dmastous]

Originally Posted by hgb765

something about both claiming to be the owner of israel

It's a bit more specific than that. There are a number of places that both the Jews and the Muslims consider high holy ground. Jeruselem is one of those places. That's the simplest reason.
The more complicated is the existance of fanatical right wing radical Muslim groups who believe that anyone who is not a Muslim has no right to live. These groups are very loud and make more noise than the other less fanatical Muslims so they have become the 'face' of Islam unfortuantly.
They are all we seem to hear about because the newspeople seem to think that bad news is the only news that sells. "Everything is fine in (pick the city)" is far less interesting than "a bomb has been exploded... news at 11"

[malakas]

Excuse me,but why do you think so?
Do you really believe that,all Muslims hate the Jews?
Hmmm...
In reallity,it's not *the Muslims* it's mostly the Palestines.
At least it used to be.
But,as prophasis the ehm..same origin and identity(and religion) of all the Arabs,many mulahs and governmens,have increased the antisimitic feelings.But the real reason,is the own gain.Or that they are afraid that Israel will intrude their land too.Or I really don't know what else..
So,now,many Arabs have strong anti-simitic feelings.

But,note that Muslims = NOT only Arabs.

For the reason why the Palestines hate the Jews,I think the above posters answered.You might want to search a bit to the ehm..seven days miracle too..

[Shabazza]

Originally Posted by dmastous

The more complicated is the existance of fanatical right wing radical Muslim groups who believe that anyone who is not a Muslim has no right to live. These groups are very loud and make more noise than the other less fanatical Muslims so they have become the 'face' of Islam unfortuantly.
They are all we seem to hear about because the newspeople seem to think that bad news is the only news that sells. "Everything is fine in (pick the city)" is far less interesting than "a bomb has been exploded... news at 11"

Sad but true.
There are like 1.2-1.3 billion muslims worldwide - most of them don't care about jews at all.

[LoneGun]

When you put two groups of people who negatively stereotyping each other, having different religious believes, speak completely different languages, and constantly reminding themselves the bloody history they have for each other, that is a burning fire that would not end until the complete annihilation of one of them.

[Shabazza]

Originally Posted by LoneGun

When you put two groups of people who negatively stereotyping each other, having different religious believes, speak completely different languages, and constantly reminding themselves the bloody history they have for each other, that is a burning fire that would not end until the complete annihilation of one of them.

Or both......

[diegaa]

well, actually the arabs only "hate" zionists, not jews in general.

[vkartikv]

Since the dawn of mankind - well, all life forms on earth, there has been a constant struggle to establish and hold down one's territory. It's not religion A vs. religion B, its more of war for territory. Listen to Sepultura.

[Fee]

Because mythology is a funny thing...

[tennis_nerd22]

guys about the news, i wanted to hear opinions on this. k you know how the major news stations, like CTV (in canada), CNN, or whatever are owned by jewish people? well if you heard about how Israel was purposely attacking the United Nations bases in Lebanon (peacekeepers), even though they were in constant communication for many many many hours and the UN were warning them that they were getting too close? it was purposely done without a doubt, including a plane which flew right by it and dropped a bomb.

however, these jewish owned news stations completely ignored that, and went on to talk about israelies getting killed by rockets from hezbullah. whereas big world wide news stations, mainly BBC, we're talking about everything, especially israel attacking the bases.

i think most of the hatred towards muslims and arabs is due to the lack of news stations showing the "big picture". they focus on what they want to, to make muslims look bad. also, many of us north americans are unaware of the history between lebanon and israel, and various parts of the middle east (though obviously, quite a lot of people on these boards are aware of the history). i think its mainly a lack of understanding.

also, you cant let extremists dicatate the entire face of islam? have any of you, who say that islam encourages killing and hatred and war to get what you want, actually read the Quaran? if you had, you wouldnt say the stuff you do. but it isnt your fault, its just you arent aware of the "big picture", which causes bias.

i dont want to be racist, or bias to anyone, i just want to hear some opinions on this.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by tennis_nerd22

also, you cant let extremists dicatate the entire face of islam? have any of you, who say that islam encourages killing and hatred and war to get what you want, actually read the Quaran? if you had, you wouldnt say the stuff you do. but it isnt your fault, its just you arent aware of the "big picture", which causes bias.

i dont want to be racist, or bias to anyone, i just want to hear some opinions on this.

Okay, my opinion: I'm not going to get into "Why" each group hates the other. It's way too complicated-I certainly don't have all, or maybe any answers (though I have some ideas) and I expect to see a lot of simpletons trying to tackle it.

I don't think the Israelis are intentionally targeting UN outposts-of course the Hezbollah sympathizers will jump to this conclusion without any supporting proof. But...if the Isrealis are proven to have done this, it was probably for security reasons (but that does not make it right). They did the same thing to the USS Liberty in 1967.

But re. your comment quoted above...you don't seem unable to separate what is WRITTEN in the Quran (and the Bible) and what HAPPENS in the real world in the name of religion. Both are PART of the religion-you cannot just say "Islam IS the Quran. Period." Religion is also how its adherents, whether moderate or radical, present it to the world.

While the Books comprise the essense of both religions, they don't, to any degree , reflect how the books are interpreted and what happens "out there" in the modern world. Islamic fundumentalists blowing up buses (or, Christians blowing up abortion clinics) is every bit as much of the religion. Oh, I didn't mention, for example, Jews kiilling civilians in a war zone because that's pretty complicated too. The way I see it, the Jews of Israel are not doing this in the name of religion; it is more in the name of their country, Israel. And they are wrong sometimes, and kill innocents, but when they do kill innocents, I do not see them waving the Old Testament around as they do it, as the Christians and Muslims wave their books as the premise for their actions. I do not see anyone DANCING FOR JOY IN THE STREETS, as is the custom in Middle East Muslim neighborhoods following a major terrorist action. Israel, if it's waving anything, is waving its flag-i.e. national security. But anyway, religious terrorism is every bit as much a part of said-religion as the Great Books of those religions.

[J D]

Max, the conflict between Muslim and Jew goes back to an almost 4,000 year old family feud. Here's a short version of the story in case you aren't familiar with it.

Abraham was told by God that he would have a son by his wife, Sarah. Since she was way beyond child bearing age, Sarah persuaded Abraham to have a child by her handmaiden, Hagar. This was an accepted practice of the time when a wife was barren.

Abraham eventually gave in and Hagar had Ishmael. Later, Sarah did become pregnant as God had promised and bore Isaac. God told Abraham that he would be the father of many nations, that his seed would be God's chosen people, and that his descendants would inherit and dwell in Palestine.

This is where the accounts between the Muslims and Jews begin to differ. It was the first born that was always entitled to the entire inheritance in their culture. The Muslims claim that Ishmael should have gotten the inheritance since he was the first born. They also assert that the Jewish Torah has distorted the truth and that it was Ishmael, not Isaac, that God told Abraham to sacrifice. They believe that Ishmael's descendants are God's chosen people and that the end result of this covenant is the Muslim faith.

The Jews (and consequently Christians) believe that Isaac was the child of the promise and that Ishmael was merely a product of the lack of faith of Sarah and Abraham. According to the Pentateuch (and the Bible), God told Abraham to send Ishmael away so that he and his mother would not cause any problems. As a result, they almost died before God miraculously saved them. God chose Isaac to inherit His covenant with Abraham. Because of this, the Jews and Christians of the world consider Palestine the rightful and God-given land of the Jewish people.

Tradition holds that most of the Arab nations of the world are direct descendants of Ishmael. On top of that, the Muslim faith believes that the Jewish people are thieves that are trying to steal their inheritance through deception and that Christianity has aided them in this unholy scheme.

So, the conflict between religions essentially goes back to a family squabble. Of course, much has happened throughout history between these two sides. One thing is for sure, ever finding any peace between them is going to be incredibly difficult. And, if you believe the most common interpretations of the Bible, it is this conflict that will most likely bring about Armageddon and the end of the world as we know it. In other words, there will be no solution to this conflict except the ultimate one.

[Dilettante]

Originally Posted by J D

Max, the conflict between Muslim and Jew goes back to an almost 4,000 year old family feud.

4000 years ago there were no Muslims. Muhammad lived in the VI century.

[dmastous]

Originally Posted by Dilettante

4000 years ago there were no Muslims. Muhammad lived in the VI century.

Obviously you didn't read the entire post. I'm by no means knowledgable about Islamic history, but my interpretation of Muhammad is that he was a prophet, similar to Jesus. But Islam is much older than Muhammad just as Christianity and Judeism is older than Jesus.

[Andres]

Originally Posted by dmastous

Obviously you didn't read the entire post. I'm by no means knowledgable about Islamic history, but my interpretation of Muhammad is that he was a prophet, similar to Jesus. But Islam is much older than Muhammad just as Christianity and Judeism is older than Jesus.

Christianity isn't older than Jesus... Judeism is.

[Fee]

Originally Posted by tennis_nerd22

guys about the news, i wanted to hear opinions on this. k you know how the major news stations, like CTV (in canada), CNN, or whatever are owned by jewish people?

Oh here we go again... What is the name of the 'Jewish owner' of CNN?

[jonolau]

Originally Posted by malakas

In reallity,it's not *the Muslims* it's mostly the Palestines.

Whoa, be careful with that statement. Malaysia and Indonesia are both Muslim countries, with Indonesia having the largest Mulsim population in the world (250 million at last count). Both countries have banned all imports of Israeli/Israel-origin products.

[35ft6]

The hardcore Islamic militants hate western civilization PERIOD. There is no negotiating to be done with them, but they're relatively small in numbers thank goodness. They want nothing less than a world ruled by Islam, and a pretty strict, backwards interpretation of the Koran at that.

But as far as I know these types really aren't super involved with what's going on with Israel right now although I'm sure they lend support in some capacity.

In the United States support of Israel almost borders on the dogmatic, but in other parts of the western world support for Israel is less emphatic, something I'm sure would surprise a lot of Americans.

Maybe what you should be asking is why do Arabs hate the Israelis. And the answer varies depending on which Arabs you're talking about. I hear and read that there are actually Israeli's and Arabs who get along, who are friendly to each other, and even blogging and messaging with each other as bombs explode outside their homes. This is something that doesn't receive much coverage in US mainstream media, probably because it humanizes the Arabs.

Who knows. But that area is a poop storm like no other and I'll be shocked if I see some lasting peace established there in my lifetime. I feel bad for the citizens of Israeli and their Arab neighbors who simply want a normal life, to work, laugh with family, and watch their children grow. Hundreds of thousands of Lebanese people who want nothing to do with Hezbollah are being displaced as we speak, it's an incredible tragedy. It's hard to say if their lives will ever be returned back to normal. Those people are pawns. To some extent, I don't think the more radical Islamic arabs really care about them any more than Israel does. They're just pieces to be moved, blown to shreds, whatever, in order to prove a point on the world stage. It's sad.