HELP on Kick serve?

[Tigerarp1]

hey guys!
I am wondering what the most army and shoulder friendly way to hit a kick serve is? I have had soem shoulder problems, but they are fixed now. I would like to know grips, toss location etc.... If there is a way to hit a kicker w/out tossing behind or above my head,it would be very nice for my shoulder! thanks!

it's pretty tough to hit a kick if u do not throw the ball behind u

u can pull a chang and hit a topsin forehand serve, but that would be a waste

what i always tell my students is to toss the ball to ur right and behind u (but it doesnt have to be so far behind that u break ur back) and finish ur racket head behind ur back (just to get used to the motion of a kick) and once after bring the racket head to its normal finishing spot in front of the body

i hit my kick with semi-eastern

[Tomek]

m3aggressor, for the kick, ball should be thrown to the left and behind you (for the righty).

good call Tomek...maybe i have been teachin too many lefties...lol

[sanitarium]

yeah I wondered why it made sense for me as a lefty, because then I was like I should throw it to the right? this guy is wrong haha

I always convert to the opposite

haha...thats tru...those lefties always confuse me...i have to get my racket to my left hand and show them how to hit...and im like..."wow this is hard!"

[sanitarium]

well i'm a lefty and try teaching groups of 90% right handed haha

Then when you're saying "left foot forward" the lefties do it and i'm like no for you its the right foot..

And no, simply saying opposite foot forward doesnt work lol, theyre too young.

[Kick Serve]

Yeah, it's pretty tough to hit an effective kick serve without putting extra strain on your shoulder and back. Patrick Rafter had an excellent kick serve and suffered the latter part of his career from injuries aggravated by his serve motion. The only thing I could suggest to help minimize this stress is a deeper kneebend and exploding up and into the court. Toss the ball as usual to your left but instead of behind you get it out in front. This will cause you to explode up to the ball and and carry you into the court. This will take some practice while you re-find your angle of attack on the ball, but eventually you'll be hitting a heavier kick serve with more pace while taking some stress off of your shoulder. Your legs are the most powerful muscles in your body and should be a major source of power for your serves - even a kick serve. Let your legs do a lot of the work, otherwise your arm and shoulder have to do it all. As for your back, there's no getting around the stress this serve places on your lower back. Strength training for you lower back is the only way to minimize the chance for injury.

[Tigerarp1]

well... I'v never had any back problems... I have gotten totally over my shoulder problem.... but I now have a hurt (right) knee... due to wakeboarding... Shouldnt I use my left leg to push off, more than my right? I serve from the pinpoint stance...

[Kick Serve]

Yeah, your left leg will be your main push-off leg to propel yourself forward. Hopefully, your right knee won't suffer too much. If you feel pain in your right knee during the kneebend then you may want to tame your serve for awhile until your knee heals. The last thing you want to do is aggravate the injury.