Apologizing?

[Swissv2]

Originally Posted by yoga

by the same token, we ought to apologize to the opponent when he double faults, for we do not truly earn the point..

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no silly, we apologize when we are the one that makes the lucky point, not our opponent.

[yoga]

Originally Posted by Swissv2

no silly, we apologize when we are the one that makes the lucky point, not our opponent.

the way you argue it, during their french open match in 1989, lendl should have apologized to chang for every single point he got after chang began to cramp..

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by the way, even after the ball hits the net cord and about to land short nearby there, often the opponent can still get to it if he is fast enough or willing to move his legs. it is either he earns/not earns it or we earn/not earn it. i simply dont believe there is this thing called luck in tennis. every factors such as the way the winds affect the balls, the fans' booing affect the player's mental state, umpire's unfair calls, etc, all are part of the game

[yoga]

Originally Posted by Joe Average

And guess what? When you apologize for a net cord ... you don't actually lose anything. Apologizing will go a long way in establishing ... what was that again ... oh, yeah ... character.

i dont think apologizing alone can establish character. there is this thing called gesture and there is another called substance. they most often are not one and the same

[tarheels2323]

Originally Posted by yoga

by the same token, we ought to apologize to the opponent when he double faults, for we do not truly earn the point..

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No, in that case I wipe my brow and comment on how that was a really tough point from my end.

[300Gkid]

sometimes, it depends who im playing if im just goofing around with friends then i dont, but in tournaments and league matches i do.

[Swissv2]

Originally Posted by yoga

the way you argue it, during their french open match in 1989, lendl should have apologized to chang for every single point he got after chang began to cramp..

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by the way, even after the ball hits the net cord and about to land short nearby there, often the opponent can still get to it if he is fast enough or willing to move his legs. it is either he earns/not earns it or we earn/not earn it. i simply dont believe there is this thing called luck in tennis. every factors such as the way the winds affect the balls, the fans' booing affect the player's mental state, umpire's unfair calls, etc, all are part of the game

It was not Lendl's fault that Chang began to cramp. Therefore, no need for apology.

When the ball hits the net and pops over, it usually takes between 2-3 seconds to drop to the ground. The person could only get to the ball if they are very close to the net, and it is next to impossible to get to the ball if they are at the baseline. If you do not believe this, I highly suggest you watch any tennis match again.

Luck is part of the game. Why? Because if luck wasn't part of the game, then players would be able to control if a ball hits the net or not. Do you seriously believe that players intend to hit the net with their shot?

[Captain America]

I like the etiquette of acknowledging a point won by luck and not skill with a hand gesture.

That seems more genuine than the common practice in doubles of hitting reaction shots at the opposing net player (perfectly legit) and then apologizing. What is really meant is '"Yes, I intended to hit right at you and I guess I'm sorry that I did it so effectively..."

[NCcanes]

when im playing my friends, just messing around, i go "YA!!!!!!!!!! look at it!!!!!! look at it!!!!!!!!!"

but if im playng serious or something, id say something like "sorry, got lucky... "

i havent been in an actual match or tournament yet, so i cant tell u wat id do in that situation

[TENNIS_99]

Originally Posted by Captain America

I like the etiquette of acknowledging a point won by luck and not skill with a hand gesture.

That seems more genuine than the common practice in doubles of hitting reaction shots at the opposing net player (perfectly legit) and then apologizing. What is really meant is '"Yes, I intended to hit right at you and I guess I'm sorry that I did it so effectively..."

HaHa.. so true.

[yoga]

Originally Posted by tarheels2323

No, in that case I wipe my brow and comment on how that was a really tough point from my end.

say, when a big server is about to serve to a good return-of-server, prior to his serving, many articulations going on at both ends of the court and it is a test of nerves upon both players. it is invisible but the fight is there. if we see it this way, a double faults often is also an end result of a tough fight

as for brow wiping or commenting stuff, i dont think it is necessary. tennis is just like life. the game goes on somehow. the life goes on notwithstanding. leave the talking to the audience, media, the commentator, the historian, etc. as for the players, we enter the stage, we play the game, and then we exit, period

[Bagumbawalla]

Your ball dribbles over the net or you score a winner misshit off the frame-- Just hold up your hand and turn away. It means, "I'll take the point but I didn't really earn it."

It is just court etiquette, like saying, "Excuse me," when you make an embarassing smell.

[yoga]

Originally Posted by Swissv2

It was not Lendl's fault that Chang began to cramp. Therefore, no need for apology.

When the ball hits the net and pops over, it usually takes between 2-3 seconds to drop to the ground. The person could only get to the ball if they are very close to the net, and it is next to impossible to get to the ball if they are at the baseline. If you do not believe this, I highly suggest you watch any tennis match again.

Luck is part of the game. Why? Because if luck wasn't part of the game, then players would be able to control if a ball hits the net or not. Do you seriously believe that players intend to hit the net with their shot?

tennis wise:
next to impossible, but it is not impossible. tennis matches i have seen many, players either get to run to the ball or they dont. the word for it is athleticism. it is part of the game. you earn the point or you earn not

if the players choose to hit with topspin clearing the net high, they would have less margin of errors. the very fact that they would hit a shot that barely clear the net saying that they take risk. if the ball does not clear the net and hitting the net cord, it not necessary would land at the opposite side of the net. it could fall back to the hitter's court, or it could go out. if in the end the hitter gets the point, he is being rewarded mostly not because of his ability to hit the ball to the net cord and let the allegedly element of luck into the picture, but because of his nerves and his willingness to take risk

should the ball hit the net, fall back to the hitter's court, and the receiver get the point, shouldnt the receiver apologize to the hitter because there is the allegedly element of luck going on there? should the ball hit the net cord , clear the net, and the hitter get the point, he apologize, but if the other way around, if the ball hit the net cord, fall back to the hitter's court, and the receiver get the point and there is nothing to apologize about. what do you call that? i just dont buy your following argument

Originally Posted by Swissv2

no silly, we apologize when we are the one that makes the lucky point, not our opponent.

non tennis wise:
neither i call you silly nor do i call you intelligent, i just state my point. and you are here arguing with me regarding this so called gentlemanly gesture while yourself not sticking to the argument and giving me label. it is ironic. i suggest you revisit my earlier posts regarding this topic in this thread, finding key words such as hypocritical, gesture, and substance

[ramseszerg]

Let's not get personal. I hate it when we have potential for a good thread and people start making illogical arguments with personal attacks.

Just to keep the discussion going: http://www.atptennis.com/en/mercedes...p?AssetID=1422

I'm not on any side, I haven't made up my mind yet. But The video seems to support the side that you don't need to apologize.

[emcee]

Geez it's a nice thing to do and it takes 3 seconds. It's not going to end world peace or anything, but it's still nice.

When your opponent double-faults you don't want to rub it in. The server is probably mad at himself. Whereas if your shot dribbles over the letcord, your opponents probably a little ticked off that that happened, and the raised hand helps that person out a little bit.

If you're that into not being hypocritical, then I guess you never ever make white lies either? The tennis apology is a harmless hypocrisy, if it even is one.

[Swissv2]

Originally Posted by yoga

tennis wise:
next to impossible, but it is not impossible. tennis matches i have seen many, players either get to run to the ball or they dont. the word for it is athleticism. it is part of the game. you earn the point or you earn not

So you are saying Roger Federer, Andre Agassi, Pete Sampras, Nadal, Chang, Lendl, Borg, Blake, etc are not athletic? If one is at the baseline when the ball clips, the word for it is impossible. (unless they are already in full sprint to the net)

Originally Posted by yoga

if the players choose to hit with topspin clearing the net high, they would have less margin of errors. the very fact that they would hit a shot that barely clear the net saying that they take risk. if the ball does not clear the net and hitting the net cord, it not necessary would land at the opposite side of the net. it could fall back to the hitter's court, or it could go out. if in the end the hitter gets the point, he is being rewarded mostly not because of his ability to hit the ball to the net cord and let the allegedly element of luck into the picture, but because of his nerves and his willingness to take risk

are you saying that players are able to control the height of the ball for every single shot?

Originally Posted by yoga

should the ball hit the net, fall back to the hitter's court, and the receiver get the point, shouldnt the receiver apologize to the hitter because there is the allegedly element of luck going on there? should the ball hit the net cord , clear the net, and the hitter get the point, he apologize, but if the other way around, if the ball hit the net cord, fall back to the hitter's court, and the receiver get the point and there is nothing to apologize about. what do you call that? i just dont buy your following argument

My argument, as well as others in this thread, is that it is a courtesy to apologize if your rally gets disrupted by clipping the net and getting the point instead of a passing winner or forcing the other person to error with a good shot. Show me a game where the players are at the baseline, the ball clips the net and falls over for the point, and the hitter that won the point doesn't apologize. Upload it to Youtube for all of us to see.

The only reason why I am having this argument with you is because I have seen players apologize before. If I haven't seen players apologize I wouldn't be arguing with you.

Originally Posted by yoga

non tennis wise:
neither i call you silly nor do i call you intelligent, i just state my point. and you are here arguing with me regarding this so called gentlemanly gesture while yourself not sticking to the argument and giving me label. it is ironic. i suggest you revisit my earlier posts regarding this topic in this thread, finding key words such as hypocritical, gesture, and substance

If you seriously took that to heart, and didn't see it as me simply teasing you, then you need to chill out.

[yoga]

Originally Posted by emcee

Geez it's a nice thing to do and it takes 3 seconds. It's not going to end world peace or anything, but it's still nice.

When your opponent double-faults you don't want to rub it in. The server is probably mad at himself. Whereas if your shot dribbles over the letcord, your opponents probably a little ticked off that that happened, and the raised hand helps that person out a little bit.

If you're that into not being hypocritical, then I guess you never ever make white lies either? The tennis apology is a harmless hypocrisy, if it even is one.

i dont believe in these ego pampering stuff and find them the girls' thing. call me a sexist i dont care. i like john mcenroe's saying that i will let the racket do the talking. whenever i came across worthy opponents both in strength and character revealed through their game, i repay them with a good fight. all the rest are superfluous

[mca10spro]

Originally Posted by emo5

Why do people apologize when the ball hits the net cord or tape? (assuming it goes in)
It's not like it's against the rules..

It's just because it wasn't intentional. You don't want your opponent to think that you won on a lucky shot.

Now apologizing when you hit an opponent! That should be a topic for discussion. Many times when pro's go for someone and they apologize, it is just a formality. It's not really that they are trying to hit them, they are just telling their opponent to back off. This is the equivalent of the brushback pitch in baseball.

Sorry, I got carried away!

[yoga]

Originally Posted by Swissv2

Show me a game where the players are at the baseline, the ball clips the net and falls over for the point, and the hitter that won the point doesn't apologize. Upload it to Youtube for all of us to see.

The only reason why I am having this argument with you is because I have seen players apologize before. If I haven't seen players apologize I wouldn't be arguing with you.

well, well, let me see what else the professional players do so that i can impersonate them

[Swissv2]

Originally Posted by yoga

well, well, let me see what else the professional players do so that i can impersonate them

Not apologizing when you get a shot in like that most likely means you are trying to show you meant to do that shot, and can do it every time - only leading to the impression that you are cocky and arrogant.

[Phil]

Winning a point off a netcord is a b.s. way to win a point, but rules is rules. So, you raise your hand as a short ahhhh....hand way to say, "Hey, I just won a lucky b.s. point on a cheap shot-what can you do..." No one is really saying that they're "sorry".

When I first started playing, I didn't do it...I thought, why the heck should I...it's just part of the game. It's like a defensive back in football apologizing to the QB as he runs past him after intercepting a pass. But, after busting my but during rallies and finding that I would lose a point that I actually played better on, due to a cheapie, I learned to hold the hand up. I learned how it felt from the other side.