how fast is this serve

[arnz]

You'd have to be a pretty good returner to hurt a big server. Somehow I dont see how somebody with a serve around 110 to 120mph would not be able to put away a weak return. Think Roddick for the pros

[Nextman916]

I still say around 110mph, give or take a few, even if he doesnt have that much knee bend and launch his racquet head speed is more than enough to compensate for 110. If you watch the vid when being filmed from the side you can see this.

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by drakulie

If they don't have anything else, and the rest of thier game is horrible.

Roddick is the best example to show that just because you have a big serve doesn't mean sh!t. Now he's sort of putting ihis game back together, but people are not afraid of him or his serve any more. Block it back and get it back in play.

[drakulie]

Originally Posted by edberg505

Roddick is the best example to show that just because you have a big serve doesn't mean sh!t. Now he's sort of putting ihis game back together, but people are not afraid of him or his serve any more. Block it back and get it back in play.

And your point is what? He still has one of the highest winning percentages on his service games, even before this summer. In fact he is in the top 3 of every major service statistic on the ATP this year.

In addition, with only his serve as you just pointed out he is still in the top 10, even though there are guys with a better ground game than him. So his serve does mean "sh!t".

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by drakulie

And your point is what? He still has one of the highest winning percentages on his service games, even before this summer. In fact he is in the top 3 of every major service statistic on the ATP this year.

In addition, with only his serve as you just pointed out he is still in the top 10, even though there are guys with a better ground game than him. So his serve does mean "sh!t".

You're right. Roddick is awesome.

[drakulie]

Originally Posted by edberg505

You're right. Roddick is awesome.

He is awesome. Even though I don't like his game in the least bit, he is still one of the 10 best players in the world.

In addition, at our level (4.0-4.5) a 100 MPH serve is much more significant and imposing than his 135+ serve is at his level. People think, including you as you already posted, a 110 MPH is not "too big", which is ridiculous.

A lot of people like to talk big, and say I could hit 100+, blah, blah, blah. It is amazing to me how many people on these boards could so easily hit 100-110 (cough), yet there are only a handful of female pro players who could eclipse that speed. These are professional who have been playing their who lives, 7 days a week, 14 hours a day, with perfect technique but they can't reach that speed, yet everyone on these boards has a 100+ serve (LOL).

Truth is, I have only seen one guy on this board who could clearly hit a 100 MPH serve and that is ZPTENNIS, and I am sure he could hit a lot faster than 100. And he backed it up with video.

Hitting a 100 MPH serve is a big deal at the level I pointed out, and extremely imposing. Most people on these boards have either not come close to that speed, never faced someone who could hit that hard, or can even fathom what that pace is really like, let alone a 120+ serve.

Hitting a 100 MPH is not in any way easy to hit or return, and most guys who say I have hit with guys who hit 120-130 are full of it. Truth is, they probably haven't even faced a 80 MPH serve.

[Mike Cottrill]

Originally Posted by drakulie

Hitting a 100 MPH is not in any way easy to hit or return, and most guys who say I have hit with guys who hit 120-130 are full of it. Truth is, they probably haven't even faced a 80 MPH serve.

Sure dude. That is hog wash..

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by drakulie

He is awesome. Even though I don't like his game in the least bit, he is still one of the 10 best players in the world.

In addition, at our level (4.0-4.5) a 100 MPH serve is much more significant and imposing than his 135+ serve is at his level. People think, including you as you already posted, a 110 MPH is not "too big", which is ridiculous.

A lot of people like to talk big, and say I could hit 100+, blah, blah, blah. It is amazing to me how many people on these boards could so easily hit 100-110 (cough), yet there are only a handful of female pro players who could eclipse that speed. These are professional who have been playing their who lives, 7 days a week, 14 hours a day, with perfect technique but they can't reach that speed, yet everyone on these boards has a 100+ serve (LOL).

Truth is, I have only seen one guy on this board who could clearly hit a 100 MPH serve and that is ZPTENNIS, and I am sure he could hit a lot faster than 100. And he backed it up with video.

Hitting a 100 MPH serve is a big deal at the level I pointed out, and extremely imposing. Most people on these boards have either not come close to that speed, never faced someone who could hit that hard, or can even fathom what that pace is really like, let alone a 120+ serve.

Hitting a 100 MPH is not in any way easy to hit or return, and most guys who say I have hit with guys who hit 120-130 are full of it. Truth is, they probably haven't even faced a 80 MPH serve.

Well, I'm pretty sure, and you can do a search on this, that I have never claimed to hit 120+ mph serves. And yes I did say "not that big" because it was in reference to people that were saying it was 120+ and it just didn't look that big to me. I have faced people that have serves bigger than 110. Hell, a few weeks ago I played against a guy that is a memeber of the tennis team here that hits serves that big, maybe bigger. I have posted a video of my serve before and I think someone hit it right on the button as to how fast I was serving, which was in the low 90's to 100. I don't really see the need to go for really big serves. A well place serve is all that I need. The biggest serve I have ever hit in my life was 115 and it was really hard for me to get that. But during play I never go for serves that big.

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by Mike Cottrill

Sure dude. That is hog wash..

I think what he was trying to say is that a 100 mph serve that is placed well is not easy to return.

[drakulie]

Originally Posted by Mike Cottrill

Sure dude. That is hog wash..

How so? You can honestly sit there and tell me most guys in the 4.0-4.5 level eclipse the 100 mark. I don't think so.

There is a 4.0-4.5 league where I use to teach. One day the director starting clocking everyones serves and posting them. Mind you, like most people on these boards everyone thought they could hit 100. Of over 40 or so guys only 3 guys hit 100+. Only around 5 guys total, eclipsed 90.

Like I said, I have only seen one video of someone on these boards who could eclipse that mark. Mind you, I'm not saying everyone is lying--or simply has no clue.

Even in the ATP there are not many guys who could consistently hit 120 throughout a match. Most of them are serving in the 115 range on average. You are going to tell me most 4.0 players are easily hitting 100, 15 mph lower than the pros? Hog wash indeed.

[Mike Cottrill]

Originally Posted by edberg505

I think what he was trying to say is that a 100 mph serve that is placed well is not easy to return.

I will agree with that. Even an 80 mph well placed twist or kick can catch you off gaurd.

[drakulie]

double post

[drakulie]

Originally Posted by edberg505

Well, I'm pretty sure, and you can do a search on this, that I have never claimed to hit 120+ mph serves.

I never suggested you have ever said that. I was speaking more to the "masses".

Originally Posted by edberg505

And yes I did say "not that big" because it was in reference to people that were saying it was 120+ and it just didn't look that big to me.

Sorry you were mislead. I was the one who originally posted the 125 remark, but I was being sarcastic.

Originally Posted by edberg505

I have posted a video of my serve before and I think someone hit it right on the button as to how fast I was serving, which was in the low 90's to 100.

I agree, and I have seen the videos you are referring to.

Originally Posted by edberg505

I don't really see the need to go for really big serves. A well place serve is all that I need.

Totally agree.

Originally Posted by edberg505

The biggest serve I have ever hit in my life was 115 and it was really hard for me to get that.

...and this last comment is exactly my point. Using you as an example, from your videos anyone could see you have a very nice fluid motion, with good racquet speed, solid technique, which is essential to obtain the racquet velocity needed to hit these speeds. Yet even you admit, hitting 115 is extremely difficult.

As I said, most people here have no clue, or are just massaging their ego.

[lzclzclzc]

just curious,
justine henin hardenne, one of the best female tour players in my opinion
how does she hit 100+ consistently at a height of 5'6 or prolly less
does speed come with experience. does it become easier to hit bigger serves as you play longer.

by experience i mean regular game play experience and regular drils, with no particular emphasis on serve.

[lzclzclzc]

ok, here's my serves
tell me wat im doing wrong, its a 2nd serve, i tried to kick it

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...eoid=723744175

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...eoid=723652406

pick me apart

[Mike Cottrill]

Originally Posted by drakulie

How so? You can honestly sit there and tell me most guys in the 4.0-4.5 level eclipse the 100 mark. I don't think so.

There is a 4.0-4.5 league where I use to teach. One day the director starting clocking everyones serves and posting them. Mind you, like most people on these boards everyone thought they could hit 100. Of over 40 or so guys only 3 guys hit 100+. Only around 5 guys total, eclipsed 90.

Like I said, I have only seen one video of someone on these boards who could eclipse that mark. Mind you, I'm not saying everyone is lying--or simply has no clue.

Even in the ATP there are not many guys who could consistently hit 120 throughout a match. Most of them are serving in the 115 range on average. You are going to tell me most 4.0 players are easily hitting 100, 15 mph lower than the pros? Hog wash indeed.

Hitting a 120 serve every time is counter productive for pros. The goal is to keep them off balanced by mixing it up.

A 80mph serve you can get in every time in your sleep so you can bring out the big one on your first. If you are playing a guy who blocks back your big one, why waste your energy hitting it.

Your are correct about the averages. The above is statement is one reason. Unless my back goes out on me (which it does), I can hit the same serve with a bucket of balls without getting tired. However, in two hour match running down balls and long rallies, you bet.. It takes it toll on the performance. In my case, I start to double fault. Tired, lose concentration.. Double fault and lose a few mph on serves. But I did not get that from your post. You said they are full of it and could not return a 100mph serve. That is what I was saying was hog wash.

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by drakulie

I never suggested you have ever said that. I was speaking more to the "masses".



Sorry you were mislead. I was the one who originally posted the 125 remark, but I was being sarcastic.



I agree, and I have seen the videos you are referring to.



Totally agree.



...and this last comment is exactly my point. Using you as an example, from your videos anyone could see you have a very nice fluid motion, with good racquet speed, solid technique, which is essential to obtain the racquet velocity needed to hit these speeds. Yet even you admit, hitting 115 is extremely difficult.

As I said, most people here have no clue, or are just massaging their ego.

Ok, point taken. Just some confusion I suppose. On a side note, I have to just say this. There is a tier 3 WTA tournament here and there are some recognizable names on the entry list. I'm going to see if I can get a chance to hit with one of them if I have time. I know some of the directors of the tournament and I also know some of the people that is providing housing for a few of the players. The tourney is on the other side of town and it will be very difficult for me to try to get over there before or after work. I'll keep you guys posted if I am able to hit with one of them. I think Alexandra Stevenson is one of the names I recognized on that list. I also saw Alexa Glatch and Mary Gamble. Last year I had a little chat with Angela Haynes, she's pretty cool and down to earth. Crossing my fingers.

[FitzRoy]

Originally Posted by lzclzclzc

ok, here's my serves
tell me wat im doing wrong, its a 2nd serve, i tried to kick it

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...eoid=723744175

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...eoid=723652406

pick me apart

Actually I think you have a pretty decent motion.

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by lzclzclzc

ok, here's my serves
tell me wat im doing wrong, its a 2nd serve, i tried to kick it

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...eoid=723744175

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...eoid=723652406

pick me apart

What kind of racqut are you using? The racuqet choice in serving makes some difference as well. I rememeber sometime ago I was hitting on court next to some old people and I saw one of them with a wilson hammer (it kinda looked like a widebody). So just for the hell of it I was fooling around and asked him if I could serve with it. OMG, My serve was untouchable. That thing was like a magic wand. I felt like Pete Sampras. But I could not keep a ground stroke in the court with that thing. Hahahaha.

[lzclzclzc]

my former racquet, a wilson n5
its a good tweener racquet
light and powerful, yes it does make u feel like sampras lol