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Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
There is probably relief, though the gap between you and 4th is 4 points now. A win in one of the derbies would mean a lot.

Yeah, United lost some ground again, although the gap between second and sixth is 5 points. Really tight beneath Chelsea. I'm almost ready to call them champions.
 
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Tiki-Taka

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Yeah, United lost some ground again, although the gap between second and sixth is 5 points. Really tight beneath Chelsea. I'm almost ready to call them champions.
Didn't know that. It's all really open then. I think Chelsea and Tottenham will go to Champions League, other four will have to fight for the remaining spots.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Sevilla-Real Madrid 2-1

Typically, Real took the lead through a Ronaldo penalty. Then, Ramos scored late again, but this time it was an own goal. There was just enough added time for Sevilla's new signing Jovetic to score the winner. Finally after 40 games Real lose.

Begin the meltdown! :D
 
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Tiki-Taka

Guest
Sergio Ramos scoring a late own goal and Real Madrid losing the game in stoppage time has karma written all over it.

Even if a meltdown happens, at this moment Barcelona don't look good enough to take advantage of it.
 
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Emperor of Belgrade

Guest
Bad loss. You take the lead which you have until minute 85 and you end up losing, terrible. Ronaldo is turning now into a stats boy, he needs to score a goal to look impressive because his general contributions to the team play have been far from good if that makes sense. Hope I am wrong though.

Don't be naive @Tiki-Taka. This makes the title race wide open. You of all people know what happened with Barcelona last season. They went on an unbeaten run of 39 games, double digit lead over both rivals in the league, and then the run ended in the El Clasico when you shockingly lost at home to 10 men Real Madrid, after scoring first as well. Then you went on to lose to Atletico in the CL and suffered a few more losses in the league as well, making the title race go on until the final day. Easier end of schedule and clinical play of MSN got you over the finish line in the end. Now it's only half the season gone, Real's 40 game unbeaten run is snapped, they have a 5 point lead (assuming they win their game in hand) which is way smaller than the lead Barca had at the latter point of last season, and most crucially this squad hasn't shown composure in La Liga in recent years. Even the one Real won under Mou ended up being more complicated than it should have been. You better get very optimistic if the gap is 3 points or smaller going into the next El Clasico, which I can definitely see happening.
 
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Tiki-Taka

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Bad loss. You take the lead which you have until minute 85 and you end up losing, terrible. Ronaldo is turning now into a stats boy, he needs to score a goal to look impressive because his general contributions to the team play have been far from good if that makes sense. Hope I am wrong though.

Don't be naive @Tiki-Taka. This makes the title race wide open. You of all people know what happened with Barcelona last season. They went on an unbeaten run of 39 games, double digit lead over both rivals in the league, and then the run ended in the El Clasico when you shockingly lost at home to 10 men Real Madrid, after scoring first as well. Then you went on to lose to Atletico in the CL and suffered a few more losses in the league as well, making the title race go on until the final day. Easier end of schedule and clinical play of MSN got you over the finish line in the end. Now it's only half the season gone, Real's 40 game unbeaten run is snapped, they have a 5 point lead (assuming they win their game in hand) which is way smaller than the lead Barca had at the latter point of last season, and most crucially this squad hasn't shown composure in La Liga in recent years. Even the one Real won under Mou ended up being more complicated than it should have been. You better get very optimistic if the gap is 3 points or smaller going into the next El Clasico, which I can definitely see happening.
You are overreacting. Just a few days ago you said that Barcelona have done poor transfer business, how everyone except Messi is out of form and how we have failed to capitalize on Real Madrid not strengthening their squad in the summer, that this was a great opportunity for another La Liga blown. Now to give Barca a tag of a favorite all of a sudden is ridiculous. We are not having consistency and we have dropped too many points to the teams that we should be easily beating. Real Madrid aren't having these problems to the same extent, while all the next big games for them will be played at the Bernabeu. At this moment, I certainly don't see us catching them. Sevilla have been doing well and are now a close 2nd but I don't see them lasting for an entire season to challenge for La Liga either.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
You two are adorable, giving the other team the title, in January.

Funny thing, it's the Premier League that has the biggest gap between 1st and 2nd at the moment.

Real Madrid lead Sevilla by 1 point with a game in hand
Juventus lead Roma by 1 point with a game in hand
Bayern Munich lead Leipzig by 3 points
Monaco and Nice are level on points
Benfica lead Potro by 4 points
Feyenoord lead Ajax by 5 points
Spartak Moscow lead Zenit St Petersburg by 5 points
Chelsea meanwhile lead Tottenham and Liverpool by 7 points

You're giving famous competitiveness of the EPL a bad name @Feña14 :p
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Can't speak about the other leagues. I'm not seeing Chelsea lose this. Just a well oiled machine with no European distractions. Love to be proved wrong and hopefully they lose their next game. But a cigar is a cigar.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
You two are adorable, giving the other team the title, in January.

Funny thing, it's the Premier League that has the biggest gap between 1st and 2nd at the moment.

Real Madrid lead Sevilla by 1 point with a game in hand
Juventus lead Roma by 1 point with a game in hand
Bayern Munich lead Leipzig by 3 points
Monaco and Nice are level on points
Benfica lead Potro by 4 points
Feyenoord lead Ajax by 5 points
Spartak Moscow lead Zenit St Petersburg by 5 points
Chelsea meanwhile lead Tottenham and Liverpool by 7 points

You're giving famous competitiveness of the EPL a bad name @Feña14 :p

That's the way it's looking :D

I wouldn't call it just yet personally, there are a few big games coming up against Liverpool and Arsenal. Still have to go to Old Trafford. Plus there really isn't any room for injuries, Luiz has been playing injured since Aguero assaulted him, Alonso has had to play with a groin injury the last month etc.. The squad is very thin.

I'd still back us to win it all, but I don't think it'll be a double digit procession.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Louis Van Gaal has retired.

Ajax:
1993-94, 1994-95 and 1995-96 Eredivisie
1992-93 KNVB Cup
1993, 1994 and 1995 Johan Cruyff Shield
1994-95 Champions League
1991-92 UEFA Cup
1995 UEFA Super Cup
1995 Intercontinental Cup

Barcelona:
1997-98 and 1998-99 La Liga
1997-98 Copa del Rey
1997 UEFA Super Cup

AZ:
2008-09 Eredivisie

Bayern Munich:
2009-10 Bundesliga
2009-10 DFB-Pokal
2009-10 Champions League runner-up
2010 DFB-Supercup

Netherlands:
2014 FIFA World Cup 3rd place

Manchester United:
2015-16 FA Cup

Safe to say that despite a not very impressive period in Manchester, the Dutch has secured his place as one of the great coaches of his time.

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Tiki-Taka

Guest
The curse of Anoeta is finally over. For the first time since 2007, we defeated Real Sociedad at their stadium. Neymar's penalty sealed a 1-0 win, one of the ugliest wins for us in recent memory. 2nd leg of this Copa quarterfinal next week.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Sevilla-Real Madrid 2-1

Typically, Real took the lead through a Ronaldo penalty. Then, Ramos scored late again, but this time it was an own goal. There was just enough added time for Sevilla's new signing Jovetic to score the winner. Finally after 40 games Real lose.

Begin the meltdown! :D
It happened two days ago (no I am not using Internet Explorer) but Real lost 2-1 again, this time at home to Celta in cup quarterfinals.

Continue the meltdown!
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
The undisputed worst signing of all time, post Alex Ferguson, is on his way to Lyon. Deal could eventually rise to 22m and there is a buyback clause in his contract.

I'm not even sure the maestro could put together a 2 minute highlight package of great Manchester United moments from Memphis Depay.

Good luck to him.
 
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Tiki-Taka

Guest
Won't be hard for our next number 7 to emulate the last one.
To me it seems like there was too much hype around Memphis when he arrived. Got to put less pressure on younger players, it's stupid. A lot of playing time probably awaits him at Lyon now.

What really surprised me was that Di Maria didn't become one of those number seven legends. That flair or something that described Best, Cantona and Ronaldo during their years with you is what I thought he would show regularly too.

Don't give the number to Pogba. :p;)
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Liverpool title challenge looking like it is dying on the vine.

To me it seems like there was too much hype around Memphis when he arrived. Got to put less pressure on younger players, it's stupid. A lot of playing time probably awaits him at Lyon now.

What really surprised me was that Di Maria didn't become one of those number seven legends. That flair or something that described Best, Cantona and Ronaldo during their years with you is what I thought he would show regularly too.

Don't give the number to Pogba. :p;)

Or maybe he is just not very good. Another one of these guys that does well in Holland for a season before being found out elsewhere. I guess we will find out now that he has moved on.

Angel Di Maria was a victim of timing more than anything else. LVG was butchering United and Di Maria suffered due to the philosophy.

Keep 7 for Griezmann. :p
 
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Tiki-Taka

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Or maybe he is just not very good. Another one of these guys that does well in Holland for a season before being found out elsewhere. I guess we will find out now that he has moved on.

Angel Di Maria was a victim of timing more than anything else. LVG was butchering United and Di Maria suffered due to the philosophy.

Keep 7 for Griezmann. :p
Holland gives birth to a good number of talents that eventually succeed in bigger leagues. Ibra might be their best product in recent memory. Nowadays I just feel there is too much pressure put on those players to start showing same performances in the new club immediately. They don't seem arrogant to me while the standards are set quite high.

Linked with Griezmann now? You guys are everywhere. ;)
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Holland gives birth to a good number of talents that eventually succeed in bigger leagues. Ibra might be their best product in recent memory. Nowadays I just feel there is too much pressure put on those players to start showing same performances in the new club immediately. They don't seem arrogant to me while the standards are set quite high.

Linked with Griezmann now? You guys are everywhere. ;)

Can't argue with that. I think it is the same for managers as well. Just the world of today, I guess. Everything has to be right now.
 
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Emperor of Belgrade

Guest
Those Stoke flukes make me lose my faith in football for at least a day.
 
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Emperor of Belgrade

Guest
Draw. Oh well, better one than none. If there is no draw in City-Tottenham game, Man United will close the gap between them and two teams by one point.

Real barely won 2-1 against Malaga. Ramos with a brace. :eek:
 

sarmpas

Hall of Fame
Just looked at the EPL results, Liverpool better get their act together soon if they want to be realistic title challengers to Chelsea. A top team shouldn't loss to a team in the bottom 5 if the fundamentals are right.
 

TheMuzziah

Hall of Fame
Get in Spurs!

What is that supposed to mean?

Well think about it, Wayne Rooney of all people - submitted several transfer requests, then made u-turn after he was offered a £300k/week contract, used to leak stories to the press when not in the starting 11/squad, was nowhere to be seen when his club/country needed him most, the list is endless. Won't even mention the fact that he's one of the most overrated players the past 10 years. The media would have you believe he's had a Gerrard-esque career which is, by any means, absolutely laughable! Like I said, delighted he's Uniteds top goalscorer. Can already imagine the banners. :D
 
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Emperor of Belgrade

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Well think about it, Wayne Rooney of all people - submitted several transfer requests, then made u-turn after he was offered a £300k/week contract, used to leak stories to the press when not in the starting 11/squad, was nowhere to be seen when his club/country needed him most, the list is endless. Won't even mention the fact that he's one of the most overrated players the past 10 years. The media would have you believe he's had a Gerrard-esque career which is, by any means, absolutely laughable! Like I said, delighted he's Uniteds top goalscorer. Can already imagine the banners. :D
Real's and Barcelona's top goalscorers have stalled and sparked rumors about their future a few times until they got a pay rise as well. I am pretty sure there was some transfer request going on with Gerrard too. What is a Gerrard-esque career anyway, because he has done nothing that Rooney hasn't too.

A guy nowhere to be seen when needed the most is the record goalscorer in derbies with City and Arsenal, as well as one of Man United's best goal scorers against Chelsea and Liverpool. One of the most overrated players of the past 10 years is the best goalscorer of the Premier League in that period, while also country's best ever goalscorer (and to be fair, England is underperforming as a whole). Best English goalscorer in European club competitions and club's 2nd best ever, scoring in every stage of the most prestigious Champions League, from the playoffs to the final. Always part of the Man United machinery, crossing double digits number of goals in the league for 12 seasons in a row while having an active streak of 13 in all competitions. This is something not even greats like Shearer, Henry, Cole and others managed to do in England. Obviously he is not just a finisher, but to make sure there are no doubts there, the guy has more assists in EPL history than anyone except Giggs (and we all know how much that guy played). Name any other creative midfielder/winger/striker, he is behind this guy. Also, when we see those amazing fighters of today that are everywhere on the pitch, like Modric, Henderson, Herrera, Vidal, Milner, Nainggolan, Matuidi and so on, that's what Rooney has been doing for the most of his career despite being mostly a forward. One of very few players that left everything on the pitch in every game and worked truly hard for the gigantic wages that football rewards. That's Wayne Rooney, and this wasn't the media that was talking.

Considering he has been both in Everton and Manchester United I totally get and don't mind the dislike, but calling him overrated is a really bad thing to say mate.
 
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Tiki-Taka

Guest
Congratulations to Rooney on breaking the record. It's going to take a while for someone to overtake him considering there are no goal machines in England like there are in other leagues. Loyal players are probably going to be extinct in the future as well.

Can't see Chelsea wasting this opportunity. They will drop points too but clearly not enough for the rest to take advantage of that. Who would have thought that they will establish a big lead after those few slip ups they had in September.
 

TheMuzziah

Hall of Fame
Real's and Barcelona's top goalscorers have stalled and sparked rumors about their future a few times until they got a pay rise as well. I am pretty sure there was some transfer request going on with Gerrard too. What is a Gerrard-esque career anyway, because he has done nothing that Rooney hasn't too.

A guy nowhere to be seen when needed the most is the record goalscorer in derbies with City and Arsenal, as well as one of Man United's best goal scorers against Chelsea and Liverpool. One of the most overrated players of the past 10 years is the best goalscorer of the Premier League in that period, while also country's best ever goalscorer (and to be fair, England is underperforming as a whole). Best English goalscorer in European club competitions and club's 2nd best ever, scoring in every stage of the most prestigious Champions League, from the playoffs to the final. Always part of the Man United machinery, crossing double digits number of goals in the league for 12 seasons in a row while having an active streak of 13 in all competitions. This is something not even greats like Shearer, Henry, Cole and others managed to do in England. Obviously he is not just a finisher, but to make sure there are no doubts there, the guy has more assists in EPL history than anyone except Giggs (and we all know how much that guy played). Name any other creative midfielder/winger/striker, he is behind this guy. Also, when we see those amazing fighters of today that are everywhere on the pitch, like Modric, Henderson, Herrera, Vidal, Milner, Nainggolan, Matuidi and so on, that's what Rooney has been doing for the most of his career despite being mostly a forward. One of very few players that left everything on the pitch in every game and worked truly hard for the gigantic wages that football rewards. That's Wayne Rooney, and this wasn't the media that was talking.

Considering he has been both in Everton and Manchester United I totally get and don't mind the dislike, but calling him overrated is a really bad thing to say mate.

Well yeah but this is to be expected with Spanish sides, especially Real Madrid which has always been full of galacticos with massive egos. That Gerrard "transfer request" had nothing to do with money though, he changed his mind overnight and decided to follows his heart and stay - we never gave him one of those ludicrous contracts United offered Rooney to convince him to stay. Gerrard also had offers from the likes of Inter Milan, Real Madrid & Bayern Munich etc every summer, i mean don't even know why we're debating this - I'm pretty sure you agree comparing Gerrards & Rooneys loyalty is absurd.

Look mate, them stats are great and all but I've seen every match he's played against us. Most of his big games for England. I remember him scoring twice at Anfield his entire career whilst being anonymous most of the time, you mentioned Gerrard - well, Stevie has scored like 5? goals at OT, 9 in total against United. Some stats for you. England now. Most of his goals in the group stages against minnows. I agree, England has been underachieving for ages and bottled too many knockout matches but surely that great England & United legend should have at least scored more than 1 World Cup goal in his entire career?!?o_O And that was a tap-in! This is mental if you think about it. Last tournament he played well was back in 2004! Yes, he's had some very good seasons with Man United and agreed about his work rate at his peak he used to run a lot (not anymore, legs are gone/can't be arsed) and to the point I never once said he's a bad player or has had a mediocre career, I doubted his (non-existent) loyalty first and foremost and said he's overrated by the media and I stand by that, no matter the stats. He's had a sound career and won loads of trophies playing for Fergusons man united but will never be in the same bracket as Scholes, Keane, Cantona, Best, Charlton etc as far as United legends are concerned. For me he shouldn't even be regarded as a club legend since he nearly forced a move, the repetitive moaning when dropped etc. but that's just me and how I see things. :)

PS. By "Gerrard-esque" career I obviously didn't mean trophies won per se. Gerrard won countless games by himself in the biggest stages of European football, with the likes of Djimi Trarore as teammates. Image United all these years without Rooney - they'd win more or less the same. now imagine Liverpool without Gerrard - Would NEVER win the European Cup or the FA cup the year after, as for the league...
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
Congratulations to Rooney on breaking the record. It's going to take a while for someone to overtake him considering there are no goal machines in England like there are in other leagues. Loyal players are probably going to be extinct in the future as well.

Can't see Chelsea wasting this opportunity. They will drop points too but clearly not enough for the rest to take advantage of that. Who would have thought that they will establish a big lead after those few slip ups they had in September.

It's certainly surprised me. The first couple of months of the season were what I was expecting all year, that horrific performance against Liverpool, getting destroyed by Arsenal etc.. I'd of taken top 6 before the season and would of jumped at the chance around October.

Then Conte changed to a back 5 against Leicester in the next game and it worked straight away. On paper it shouldn't work, and certainly not as quickly as it has. But yeah, no complaints from me :D
 
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Emperor of Belgrade

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Well yeah but this is to be expected with Spanish sides, especially Real Madrid which has always been full of galacticos with massive egos. That Gerrard "transfer request" had nothing to do with money though, he changed his mind overnight and decided to follows his heart and stay - we never gave him one of those ludicrous contracts United offered Rooney to convince him to stay. Gerrard also had offers from the likes of Inter Milan, Real Madrid & Bayern Munich etc every summer, i mean don't even know why we're debating this - I'm pretty sure you agree comparing Gerrards & Rooneys loyalty is absurd.

Look mate, them stats are great and all but I've seen every match he's played against us. Most of his big games for England. I remember him scoring twice at Anfield his entire career whilst being anonymous most of the time, you mentioned Gerrard - well, Stevie has scored like 5? goals at OT, 9 in total against United. Some stats for you. England now. Most of his goals in the group stages against minnows. I agree, England has been underachieving for ages and bottled too many knockout matches but surely that great England & United legend should have at least scored more than 1 World Cup goal in his entire career?!?o_O And that was a tap-in! This is mental if you think about it. Last tournament he played well was back in 2004! Yes, he's had some very good seasons with Man United and agreed about his work rate at his peak he used to run a lot (not anymore, legs are gone/can't be arsed) and to the point I never once said he's a bad player or has had a mediocre career, I doubted his (non-existent) loyalty first and foremost and said he's overrated by the media and I stand by that, no matter the stats. He's had a sound career and won loads of trophies playing for Fergusons man united but will never be in the same bracket as Scholes, Keane, Cantona, Best, Charlton etc as far as United legends are concerned. For me he shouldn't even be regarded as a club legend since he nearly forced a move, the repetitive moaning when dropped etc. but that's just me and how I see things. :)

PS. By "Gerrard-esque" career I obviously didn't mean trophies won per se. Gerrard won countless games by himself in the biggest stages of European football, with the likes of Djimi Trarore as teammates. Image United all these years without Rooney - they'd win more or less the same. now imagine Liverpool without Gerrard - Would NEVER win the European Cup or the FA cup the year after, as for the league...
All I am saying is even Gerrard had a transfer request moment too. Man United's wages in general nowadays are crazy, which would rule out all of their players now from being legends even if they went on to achieve what Rooney has. I was never bothered to rank other club's legends but to me Gerrard would stand among the very best, whatever his history with potential transfers were. I guess you see it differently, I believe you were negative towards Michael Owen some time ago probably because he eventually ended up playing for a while at OT in his last years.

Yeah he did do poorly for England when the main tournaments arrived. But so did everyone else. :D No exclusions. I know you didn't call him bad, but to me it's tough to overrate someone who has been doing so well for such a long time. He isn't some lucky boy who just found himself surrounded by greats, he is one of them. As you said too his work rate was great, he wasn't waiting to be served. The stats of EPL players are rarely skewed by something because it's a quality league and I am just giving them because I'd rather not search for the actual content and honestly I doubt you would have the will to watch it. ;)

Stevie scored one of your 5 goals in the UEFA Cup final, scored that cracker against Olympiakos, inspired the comeback vs Milan in the final and rescued you in one of the FA Cup finals. Hope I didn't miss any other significant game, but Liverpool didn't really have out of this world success in Europe for a player to win them countless games. Tough to see Man United winning more or less the same without a player who has scored more than anyone else.
 
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Tiki-Taka

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It's certainly surprised me. The first couple of months of the season were what I was expecting all year, that horrific performance against Liverpool, getting destroyed by Arsenal etc.. I'd of taken top 6 before the season and would of jumped at the chance around October.

Then Conte changed to a back 5 against Leicester in the next game and it worked straight away. On paper it shouldn't work, and certainly not as quickly as it has. But yeah, no complaints from me :D
Conte is a great league manager. I am looking forward to seeing how will he do in other competitions in the future, because he hasn't done so well in Champions League with Juventus before.

I could have sworn I saw a back 3 when Chelsea's starting line-ups were shown at the beginning of your matches this season.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
Conte is a great league manager. I am looking forward to seeing how will he do in other competitions in the future, because he hasn't done so well in Champions League with Juventus before.

I could have sworn I saw a back 3 when Chelsea's starting line-ups were shown at the beginning of your matches this season.

I'm excited too. The way he manages to get the best out of players has been incredible, Mourinho did the same but his method is more divisive with a siege mentality, which doesn't really seem to be a long term solution. It'll be interesting to see if Conte's way can be a consistent one.

No we started the year with a regular 4 at the back, we changed to a 5 for the last 20 minutes of the Arsenal game around the start of October. That's when the run started. Up till then it was a back 4 of Ivanovic, Cahill, Luiz and Azpilicueta.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Spurs, City and Man Utd draw, Liverpool lose..

No slip up against Hull tomorrow and things are looking good :D

Still thinking it is too early for me to make Chelsea champions? :rolleyes: Anything can happen, right? lolz Yeah, many things can happen apart form Chelsea blowing such a lead. It is in the bag. You know it, I know it and everybody knows it.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
Still thinking it is too early for me to make Chelsea champions? :rolleyes: Anything can happen, right? lolz Yeah, many things can happen apart form Chelsea blowing such a lead. It is in the bag. You know it, I know it and everybody knows it.

Still too early to call it ;)

We play Liverpool at the end of the month and Arsenal 4th February. It's a do or die game for both clubs, like it was with Spurs when they beat us. If the lead is as big after those games in 2 weeks time? It's game over. Lose 6 points though? It's back on.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Still too early to call it ;)

We play Liverpool at the end of the month and Arsenal 4th February. It's a do or die game for both clubs, like it was with Spurs when they beat us. If the lead is as big after those games in 2 weeks time? It's game over. Lose 6 points though? It's back on.

Impressed with Spurs getting the point yesterday. City looked well organized in the first half and then came on strong in second half. They're just not having the rub of the green now, Pep questioning if he is good enough for his players. I'd like to think he is good enough for Bravo, even if Bravo isn't good enough for Linfield Swifts. Still, good point for Spurs.

Just feels like everybody else has a weakness or have left themselves too far behind. I don't see Chelsea losing many points. Of course, no bookie will be paying out just yet. :p
 
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Emperor of Belgrade

Guest
Looks like it's Arsenal's job this season to make me sick. :rolleyes:
Burnley should have drawn from both games against Arsenal. The first one which was at Burnley's home had a comedy of a goal not disallowed. Many refs have been disappointing this season and honestly several teams have suffered from that.
 
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Tiki-Taka

Guest
I know nobody will pay attention or change their mind about La Liga but we had two goal fests today.

Sevilla won 4-3 away against last placed Osasuna, stretching their run to 5 games in a row and securing 2nd spot for one more round at least. Even the own goal looked great. :) Maybe they can go far in the Champions League as well, Leicester seems like a winnable tie to me and then who knows...

Atletico Madrid went ahead but then relied on Griezmann to save a point. Good game, beautiful goals. With 8 points deficit while having played a game more, Atleti now look out of the title race.

 

TheMuzziah

Hall of Fame
That Arsenal Burnley match was a carbon copy of their game against Liverpool in Spring 2010. 12 added minutes back then, mental scenes when Kuyt equalised, King Kenny vs Wenger classic etc.

All I am saying is even Gerrard had a transfer request moment too. Man United's wages in general nowadays are crazy, which would rule out all of their players now from being legends even if they went on to achieve what Rooney has. I was never bothered to rank other club's legends but to me Gerrard would stand among the very best, whatever his history with potential transfers were. I guess you see it differently, I believe you were negative towards Michael Owen some time ago probably because he eventually ended up playing for a while at OT in his last years.

Yeah he did do poorly for England when the main tournaments arrived. But so did everyone else. :D No exclusions. I know you didn't call him bad, but to me it's tough to overrate someone who has been doing so well for such a long time. He isn't some lucky boy who just found himself surrounded by greats, he is one of them. As you said too his work rate was great, he wasn't waiting to be served. The stats of EPL players are rarely skewed by something because it's a quality league and I am just giving them because I'd rather not search for the actual content and honestly I doubt you would have the will to watch it. ;)

Stevie scored one of your 5 goals in the UEFA Cup final, scored that cracker against Olympiakos, inspired the comeback vs Milan in the final and rescued you in one of the FA Cup finals. Hope I didn't miss any other significant game, but Liverpool didn't really have out of this world success in Europe for a player to win them countless games. Tough to see Man United winning more or less the same without a player who has scored more than anyone else.

Of course Owen is not a Liverpool legend. He's a snidey little rat, that's what he is. The stats always need context premier league or not, though i agree some of them are impressive especially considering his overall quality as a player.

by "countless matches won by himself" I obviously didn't mean only finals. You mentioned Olympiacos anyway, similar games are Inter Milan 2008/9, Real Madrid the 4-0, the Napoli hat trick in 45 mins, the Arsenal 4-2 etc. And these are only Europe. I didn't mention the UEFA cup final because he wasn't as pivotal. If it wasn't Rooney it'd be someone else United never was a one man team, Liverpool were for a period, though in fairness none of that would have been possible without Rafa, absolute legend.
 

Slice'n'dice

Hall of Fame
Looking tougher to reign in Chelsea, need to start losing. But two games against the only sides to beat them coming up and it is still a long way to go. Mane can't come back soon enough.

Burnley should have drawn from both games against Arsenal. The first one which was at Burnley's home had a comedy of a goal not disallowed. Many refs have been disappointing this season and honestly several teams have suffered from that.

Burnley still only one point away from home. Interesting that. Remember who it was they got a draw against?
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
That Arsenal Burnley match was a carbon copy of their game against Liverpool in Spring 2010. 12 added minutes back then, mental scenes when Kuyt equalised, King Kenny vs Wenger classic etc.



Of course Owen is not a Liverpool legend. He's a snidey little rat, that's what he is. The stats always need context premier league or not, though i agree some of them are impressive especially considering his overall quality as a player.

by "countless matches won by himself" I obviously didn't mean only finals. You mentioned Olympiacos anyway, similar games are Inter Milan 2008/9, Real Madrid the 4-0, the Napoli hat trick in 45 mins, the Arsenal 4-2 etc. And these are only Europe. I didn't mention the UEFA cup final because he wasn't as pivotal. If it wasn't Rooney it'd be someone else United never was a one man team, Liverpool were for a period, though in fairness none of that would have been possible without Rafa, absolute legend.

His commentary is Godly, though. :p
 
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Tiki-Taka

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Liverpool chasing today, Man United protecting tomorrow.

Is it still the same away goals rule for your League Cup guys, that they only count after 120 minutes?
 
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