There are some concerns with Chinese made racquets. Often times, people will find pieces of rice infused into the graphite. This has been a serious problem lately.
What better materials is HEAD using now? How is outsourcing to China improved the manufacturing process or improved the quality of HEAD racquets? HEAD really does not think so, because HEAD is still Manufacturing 50,000 racquets (Prestige Classic 600, Pro Tour 630, and LM Instincts) a year in Kennelbach for the Players on Tour.
sureshes, My point is HEAD was the manufacture in Austria until last year. Head then hired it's OEM to produce 100% of it's consumer line of racquets in China. The cost to the consumer did not go down but HEAD's profit margins increased. While HEAD does not believe it's OEM is good enough to produce the 50,000 Prestige Classic 600, Pro Tour 630, and Liquidmetal Instinct needed for Players on Tour to use. Therefore HEAD manufactures those racquets themselves in Austria for the Pro players on Tour.
Absolutely false. A couple times in the last 1/2 dozen years or so HEAD has ended the year #1 and even if they are currently #3 they sell far more racquets now world wide than they did 10 years ago. I'm talking about % of racquets, not just rank.HEAD's Market share has not increased at all it has stayed the same.
As a contract player a lot of my racquets come from Austria, but not all of them--some come from the Czech plant and some from China. I feel little or no difference between any of them. There is no drop in quality control in my experience.
I am still sponsored.What year were you sponsored, and was it college level or pro level?
Maybe you can share more of your experiences especially with Head.
I've owned and played with every model Prestige Mid made. There is very little difference between any of them in my view. Any small differences between the various progressions of the racquet had no effect at all on my game and did not require any real transition period. The head sizes and string patterns of the Prestiges are essentially the same. Flex and weight have varied little. In other words, if you like one Prestige you'd be able to play with any of them with no difference in your game. I'm not one to wax nostalgic over racquets that were made 10 years ago. I like the FXP very much, just as I like the rest that led up to it.
For me the FXP Prestige feels better than the LM.
There is no contradiction in my two statements you quoted. I said if you like one Prestige you'll like them all--that's true. And yes, I like the feel of the FXP better than the LM, but not enough so to make any difference in my game. Give me either one and I'll still beat you. I like red cars better than black cars, does that imply I think red cars are better? Of course not. I do not adhere to the notion that I am a good player because of the racquet I use. I laugh out loud when I read posts where people say 'I can't hit a backhand return--what racquet should I use?'Alex, with all respect to our inhouse Head contract players, maybe it is in thier contract to say they have to like the last model, dunno, but how can we discuss with someone who says this
then this
if there are little differences then it must have been enough to like one over the other, I don't get it ?!?!? imagine how a prestige made in the late 80's would feel vs a prestige made in 2006
then there is that PC600mid XL ;-) sure it plays more or less like the FXPmid of 2006, just like a PD plays more or less like a PD+
I said if you like one Prestige you'll like them all--that's true. And yes, I like the feel of the FXP better than the LM. I'd be willing to wager that many of the people commenting here about the 'good old days' of the Prestige never even played with one of them--I have. As I stated above, the early Prestiges had the same head size, same string pattern, and essentially the same weight and flex of the current model. The little tweeks HEAD has made to the Prestige over the years has improved the racquet in my view, but have not made a big enough of a difference to make them feel like totally different racquets. Just as the racquets being manufactured in the different factories (under the same tolerances) don't feel like different racquets.
I think different people have different levels of sensitivity. Not that I'm saying JW10S is insensitive but because if those racquets are really all the same (or very closely similar), why would the ATP players still need paintjobs?
glad to see you have been reading my posts.You can claim that your backhand down the line is much better with the K racquet vs. an ncode
I'm amused at how personally people here take things when someone dares to disagree with them.
If you don't like my opinions you can simply ignore them or disagree, but don't you dare say my opinions are false. I will let you have the last word since you apparently need it so badly.
Absolutely false.
so I will not hurt your feelingsI respectfully disagree with you.
(I may even have forgotten one in there somewhere)
. I have no avatar, no signature for a reason--I wish to remain anonymous. .
And again my long standing relationship with HEAD as well as my playing experience gives me a perspective that many others here who are all just talk don't have and can't give. Deal with it...
. I will let you have the last word since you apparently need it so badly.
which I doubt, you see JW10S, you are full of not only hot air but full of yourself,I'm going to employ the ignore function
I'm certainly not here to ask other people who I've never met, never will meet, and who have never seen me play, what racquet I should play with that's for sure. I'm one of the few who has control over their own life and can make decisions. So to answer your query I'm here strictly for the laugh factor...
then leave the forums.
Nah, you have no idea how amusing this mass insecurity is to me...
Please don't try to offend us. From what I've read you are/were a failing tennis player sponsored by HEAD. Sounds like you need to blow off a lot of steam, just not here.
the only one with insecurity issues here is you... why would you even reply to any us the posts if otherwise, just go on with your life, we'll go on with ours, who cares if people want help with their racquets. or do you just wanna come and showoff your sophisticated intelligence? insecurity? whatever, feel free to prove me right by responding with some kind of humorous defense mechanism, your welcome.
LOL!...yeah, right. I get all my racquets, clothes, shoes, strings, grips, hats, bags, etc. given to me because I'm 'a failing tennis player'. That's rich. Yes I play with HEAD, but I could be, and have been, sponsored by any number of other companies as I am constantly being solicited--something not many 'failing' players can boast. I use HEAD because I made up my own mind to do so. I didn't have to ask anyone else who I've never met or who have never seen me play. The fact that people took my posts so personally only proves my point.
I don't believe JW10S is Tursunov. If he is, I believe he would want to keep a fan support and encourage everyone to play the sport that pays his bills.
JW10S, I too have those things given to me (except the clothes and shoes, still working on that) but I love getting others opinions on racquets and other things. Just because you are a great player doesn't mean you know about the equipment. I am pretty sure that there was one time in your tennis-life that you relied on the suggestions from others to help make a decision on what to use.
If I am wrong.....then you are the greatest tennis player to ever be born, like Sampras & Federer put into one body.
If we all just made up our own minds and didn't need any advice from anyone else, there would be no need for this message board. Speaking of which, why are you here then?
Just couldn't drive myself to reading all of this (as interesting as it might be)
All I want to know is this.....is TW bringing back 630's with LM cosmetics ?
Do any of you guys have any of those for sale?
If so drop me a line.
I have played with the Graphite Pro, TXP, Prestige Pro, Elite Pro (the original green one out of the Prestige Pro mold), Elektra Pro (the original white and light sea foam out of the Prestige Pro mold), Prestige 600 ( with neon green C.A.P. System), Prestige Classic 600, i.Prestige 600, and Pro Tour 280/630. I owned but did not switch to Comp Pro, Trisys 300 600, Prestige Tour 300 mid, Prestige Tour 600 (still have two of these), LM Prestige, and FXP Prestige 600. I have nearly 20 years with these racquets.
vs, just a question, doesn't the twintube technology incorporate some sort of aramid fibre into one of the shells?
Michael, I'll definitely be holding onto my precious PCXLs for a while, one of them has been worked on by **** in fact, even more untouchable. As for the general subject of the ongoing controversy, I do feel the difference between a PCXL and a PC600, but to me that's pretty obvious as the PCXL is an XL stick. To me a more relevant comparison would be the differences between the Prestige Pro/Prestige 600/PC600 Trek/PC600 Made in Austria/PC600 Deisigned in Austria/Classic Mid/PC600 Czech/i.Prestige first batch/i.Prestige later batch/LM Prestige/FP Prestige. In dividing the Prestiges into so many categories I guess I've already answered your Q, Michael, yes I do feel the differences between the different series of Prestiges (notably the current PC600, which is darned near unplayable without lead). But on the flipside, I can switch between different Prestiges (except the latest PC600) without too much adjustment. I'm definitely nowhere near a sponsored player (in fact, I'm sure they'd laugh their corporate @$$es off if I asked).
then there is that PC600mid XL ;-) sure it plays more or less like the FXPmid of 2006, just like a PD plays more or less like a PD+, yeah sure tell that to roddick and lets see if he can serve as well as he does with a PD
this whole austrian thing has me baffled or pissed off... after aquiring 2 star trek font p.c. in very good condition i was shocked at the bull**** quality control. strung weight on one was 11.8 and that was with the leather and poly, 16 no less. heralded frame number 2 weighed in at 12.1 strung, same setup. i thought the older ones were heavy, at least as much as the newer ones, just give me swingweight and i will be happy.then , austrian liquidmetal; rad mp., 10.9 strung to 11.6 strung both austrians, you know what? its the worst quality control issues i have ever seen and i have played at a pretty high level with a lot of the older frames, just seems the austrian thing is so friggan blown out of proportion its incredible,