My Lord does Rios Suck!!!

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kissmyace

Rookie
Just watched the Paul Haarhuis/Rios match live at the Albert Hall and it was not far off disgraceful.
Rios was shameful in is effort levels. He just went through the motions for most of the match, and then would suddenly reel off 5 or 6 clean winners from nowhere and the shut down again.
In one service game he made 1 attempt at a serve return and even walked to the duece side from the ad side as Harrhuuis went through his service action.
Haarhuis was clearly unnerved by all this and gave him some cheap junk but thankfully pulled the match out.
I was really excited about seeing Rios play as i'd never had the chance before and was looking forward to seeing some of his exceptional shot making, and there were a few, but for all that talent you'd think he make an effort and FIND a way to at least compete. That is the mark of a great player, one who can have a c*@p day but still dig deep and find a way to compete.
Very very dissapointing.
 
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peluzon

Rookie
Rios should not be there , he dont want to be there, in Chile we dont want that he be there, who cares , senior tours is not real tenis


I strongly recomend you see the videos that i allways post about Rios ,,,, the last one was Rios - Chela ,,, that is real tenis, senior tours is just a joke
 
goober

goober

Legend
peluzon said:
Rios should not be there , he dont want to be there, in Chile we dont want that he be there, who cares , senior tours is not real tenis
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I don't understand when you say "he don't want to be there." It is not like somebody is forcing him to play senior events. I thought he chose to play senior events because he missed competitive tennis?
 
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OrangeOne

Legend
peluzon said:
Rios should not be there
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Agreed.

peluzon said:
he dont want to be there,
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I disagree, he is clearly *choosing* to be there.

peluzon said:
in Chile we dont want that he be there,
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Well that's up to you, but we live in a mostly free world, most people are not constrained by the opinions of their country-people...

peluzon said:
who cares , senior tours is not real tenis
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Tennis is tennis if it's played on a tennis court with racquets and balls in accordance with the rules. I play tennis. Federer plays tennis. Tennis is played on the senior's tour. 4 year-olds can play tennis.....
 
Mick

Mick

Legend
peluzon said:
...I strongly recomend you see the videos that i allways post about Rios ,,,, the last one was Rios - Chela ,,, that is real tenis, senior tours is just a joke
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Yeah but the joke is on Rios because he lost while playing on the senior tour.
 
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Fred The Red

Rookie
peluzon said:
senior tours is not real tenis
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What a joke.
A lot of the guys on the senior tour would give the current top pro's A LOT of problems.
It's just that they don't have anymore the fysical skills to do it 5 sets, 12 month's...

Just look at the tennis of Courier, Ivanisevic,... that's still quite impressive!
 
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peluzon

Rookie
I disagree, he is clearly *choosing* to be there.

If he is choosing to be there, doesnt means that he feel really confortable and motivated playing there. He just want to play tennis, and he can not play tennis in the real circuit. But he knows that he is just 30 years old and is not big deal defeat the old man, but is a big shame when he lost.


Well that's up to you, but we live in a mostly free world, most people are not constrained by the opinions of their country-people...

thats true , i just want to share that is not a proud for us that he is the number one in the world in seniors tour, no body talk about that in news.


Tennis is tennis if it's played on a tennis court with racquets and balls in accordance with the rules. I play tennis. Federer plays tennis. Tennis is played on the senior's tour. 4 year-olds can play tennis

Im just talking about the circuit, the real competence for people like Marcelo Rios is there. He should not been playing in seniors tour , when he win is not a big deal for me like Marcelo Rios fans, just dont care for me (personal opinion)
 
chess9

chess9

Hall of Fame
If you can't give 100% of what you DO have, then you shouldn't commit to play the Seniors Tour or any tour. To not even attempt a service return is very poor sportsmanship. If I had been there it would have taken a platoon of Marines to keep me from competing for FREE. :) To think he was being paid for that show is disgusting. The OP is right.

Rios is not doing himself any favors by displaying such gross stupidity. He was one of the greatest shotmakers in the game and now he pulls this stunt?

-Robert
 
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OrangeOne

Legend
chess9 said:
If you can't give 100% of what you DO have, then you shouldn't commit to play the Seniors Tour or any tour. To not even attempt a service return is very poor sportsmanship. If I had been there it would have taken a platoon of Marines to keep me from competing for FREE. :) To think he was being paid for that show is disgusting. The OP is right.

Rios is not doing himself any favors by displaying such gross stupidity. He was one of the greatest shotmakers in the game and now he pulls this stunt?

-Robert
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True, but maybe he was just having a bad day? Maybe he was feeling very ill, and didn't want to bail (pull a 'Justine') for the sake of the fans? I don't know, but maybe.

I know I played a 2nd-final on Sat morning, against a guy who I beat soundly the last time we played. I felt odd, shaking a little, couldn't really run until we'd played 12 games. I reeled off the odd winner, and hit plenty of crap. Wanted to walk up to anyone who saw it and say "hey - that's not me out there!". Thankfully I still won, but it was terrible tennis for the first 12 games, until my body started feeling better.

Anyways - personally I think the Senior's tour will continue doing itself a massive disservice until it changes the age of admission to 35....
 
superman1

superman1

Legend
Of course it's real tennis. The guys on the senior's tour can crush the ball just as hard as anyone on the pro tour. It's just the speed and the endurance that has faded for them.

I don't have a problem with Rios being there, but if he starts to get an ego about his dominance, I think he's really confused. He's younger than Henman. He's much younger than Agassi and Sampras. As long as he keeps his trap shut and shows nothing but respect for the other guys, and talks about how he enjoys the senior's tour because he gets to play with players that he would have never had a chance to play with before, I'm fine with it.
 
chess9

chess9

Hall of Fame
ragnaROK said:
If Rios gave 100%, he'd still be an ATP pro. Think about it.
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If he gave 100% of what he had 10 years ago, yes. All I ask is that he give his best whatever his best is on the day he is playing. Not returning serve is 12 year old whiney boy crap. Please, someone kick him in the ass before he pulls that stunt again. Unforgiveable....

Orange, I've had plenty of those days, but we've all struggled on off days or days you have a cold. You think some guy playing for Stanford who has a cold and is scheduled to play a match against some top guy from, say, USC, is going to shuffle around the court and not return serve? If one of my college team mates had pulled that sort of stunt he would have gotten the crap beaten out of him in the locker room. Most of the college players, bless 'em, are more mature than Rios apparently.

Just my humble opinion of course. I'm sure I'm wrong. :)

-Robert
 
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Rios is not doing himself any favors by displaying such gross stupidity. He was one of the greatest shotmakers in the game and now he pulls this stunt?
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I don't understand why so many of you are shocked by what Rios did. He did this all the time on the main tour. Truly one of the most gutless players ever to play the game. You should check out his match with Clavet at 1998 Wimbledon. World-class tank job. At the biggest event in the world. He pulled this stunt many, many times. Senior tennis won't change his true character. I see after losing he whined about the "fast surface." Again this was a trademark of his time on the main tour. If he didn't like the conditions(& conditions were a lot faster in the 90s) he had about a 50/50 chance of actually trying.

So many fans seem overly excited of the brief period where Rios actually tried(not coincidentally on slower surfaces) in the late 90s, that many seem to forget that guy tanked as many matches as anyone who's ever played the game.

Talent doesn't equal guts. Rios obviously has no guts, & very little character(I mean really, wouldn't you think most 30 year old pros would have a little bit more shame than to agree to play 40 year olds on a regular basis?)
 
chess9

chess9

Hall of Fame
Moose Malloy said:
I don't understand why so many of you are shocked by what Rios did. He did this all the time on the main tour. Truly one of the most gutless players ever to play the game. You should check out his match with Clavet at 1998 Wimbledon. World-class tank job. At the biggest event in the world. He pulled this stunt many, many times. Senior tennis won't change his true character. I see after losing he whined about the "fast surface." Again this was a trademark of his time on the main tour. If he didn't like the conditions(& conditions were a lot faster in the 90s) he had about a 50/50 chance of actually trying.

So many fans seem overly excited of the brief period where Rios actually tried(not coincidentally on slower surfaces) in the late 90s, that many seem to forget that guy tanked as many matches as anyone who's ever played the game.

Talent doesn't equal guts. Rios obviously has no guts, & very little character(I mean really, wouldn't you think most 30 year old pros would have a little bit more shame than to agree to play 40 year olds on a regular basis?)
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Excellent points, as usual, Moose. (damn you! :) ) Well, I've seen Rios play about 20 times and only on t.v. and have a few memories of bad behavior, but I can't say I actually remember that many tanked matches. Having said that, I defer to your vastly superior experience and information (seriously).

Regardless, not trying for an athlete is like a Pope smoking dope, or a President lieing about war, or something-it should never happen.

-Robert
 
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peluzon

Rookie
Rios is just a genius , and genius are weird

He has been getting troubles with alcohol, 2 divorces, etc,,,, who cares !!!!

Just enjoy my videos with his best moments , and forget about the dark side
 
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OrangeOne

Legend
peluzon said:
Rios is just a genius , and genius are weird

He has been getting troubles with alcohol, 2 divorces, etc,,,, who cares !!!!

Just enjoy my videos with his best moments , and forget about the dark side
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I'm sorry, but the above is so so typical of modern society & celebrity. We like to use these people for what they're worth, and choose to ignore / despise / or disrespect them for their human flaws. Very sad, really.
 
Jonnyf

Jonnyf

Hall of Fame
Rios is YOUNGER than henman,although i was hoping to see him in the final yesterday as i'd seen haarhuis last year
 
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spadesss

Semi-Pro
Rios is very talented, which I think most people would agreed upon. Just that he has mental issues and no gut as some people refered to him. I was blown away years ago when he played Agassi down in Florida (Forgot the Tournament name) many years ago. He make shots effortless like Federer. And the winners are incredible. He won the Final against Agassi. I was impressed with him. We can all agreed that no one will respect him in the game of tennis and I don't think he cares. Lets leave it at that.
 
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slice bh compliment

G.O.A.T.
spadesss said:
Rios is very talented, which I think most people would agreed upon. Just that he has mental issues and no gut as some people refered to him. I was blown away years ago when he played Agassi down in Florida (Forgot the Tournament name) many years ago. He make shots effortless like Federer. And the winners are incredible. He won the Final against Agassi. I was impressed with him. We can all agreed that no one will respect him in the game of tennis and I don't think he cares. Lets leave it at that.
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I think that was 98. Finals of the Oz Open, won Indian Wells and Key Biscayne. So quick. Powerful, takes it early. Has great feel for the ball and even better feel for the court. Totally out Agassi-ed the Agassi out of Agassi.

Saw him on an outside court at Roland Garros three years later. Spotty five setter against Ferreira.
 
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spadesss

Semi-Pro
So much talent, so wasted. What a shame.
He can't be helped as he doens't want help.
Its like he doesn't belong on the main or senior tour.
 
FH2FH

FH2FH

Professional
Federer used to act like a child on the court. Then he grew up. Some people never do unfortunately. If Rios hasn't by now, he probably never will. I think most people feel sorry for him, but unless he's a moron he just doesn't give a **** at times and doesn't mind showing it (we all have our moments).

Yes, there is wasted talent, but who knows why he's the way he is or was on tour. Maybe he his life was more difficult than we realized??
 
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Maybe he his life was more difficult than we realized??
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Rios was from a rich family. I have trouble believing any pro tennis players had difficult lives. They aren't exactly like boxers or basketball players, many who came from poverty, broken homes etc.
 
superman1

superman1

Legend
If you grow up with a tennis racquet in your hand, you have all the opportunities in the world. A person can either grow up poor and become a bum, grow up rich and become a spoiled brat, or grow up under any circumstances and become a role model.
 
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spadesss

Semi-Pro
Look at Agassi.
He was not the role model growing up but we all knew how well he turned out.
Agassi's family isn't rich and luckily Agassi turned himself into more then a great tennis player.
Rios will always be a tennis underacheiver. Unless he does something good for mankind or society away from the tennis scene, he will be the bad boy who will always have himself.
 
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mctennis

Legend
kissmyace said:
Just watched the Paul Haarhuis/Rios match live at the Albert Hall and it was not far off disgraceful.
Rios was shameful in is effort levels. He just went through the motions for most of the match, and then would suddenly reel off 5 or 6 clean winners from nowhere and the shut down again.
In one service game he made 1 attempt at a serve return and even walked to the duece side from the ad side as Harrhuuis went through his service action.
Haarhuis was clearly unnerved by all this and gave him some cheap junk but thankfully pulled the match out.
I was really excited about seeing Rios play as i'd never had the chance before and was looking forward to seeing some of his exceptional shot making, and there were a few, but for all that talent you'd think he make an effort and FIND a way to at least compete. That is the mark of a great player, one who can have a c*@p day but still dig deep and find a way to compete.
Very very dissapointing.
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I agree Rios is a headcase.
 
superman1

superman1

Legend
2-1. Yeah, wow. He really owned Agassi. And those wins were in 1998 no less, when Agassi was still digging himself out of the ditch of being 141 in the world.
 
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Bjorn99

Hall of Fame
Some days Rios just isn't into playing. His game obviously takes a lot out of him, and when he is depleted, he just mails it in. Again, probably why he isn't out on the tour grinding away. He could grind out a million or two a year still, but maybe his wives are taking most of it anyways. Does he have any kids?
 
jmsx521

jmsx521

Hall of Fame
In the last 15 years that I've followed live pro tennis and have watched many pros' matches and practices, I haven't seen anyone with better hands on the court; Rios had great feel for the ball and could win points with such ease, like no other player could do. The best practice session I've ever seen was between Rios and Ivanisevic at the end of the 90s, when Ivanisevic was still very good; Rios was toying with him on the court! As for his personality, I also agree it was problematic.
 
Eli_Ace

Eli_Ace

Rookie
peluzon said:
I disagree, he is clearly *choosing* to be there.

If he is choosing to be there, doesnt means that he feel really confortable and motivated playing there. He just want to play tennis, and he can not play tennis in the real circuit. But he knows that he is just 30 years old and is not big deal defeat the old man, but is a big shame when he lost.


Well that's up to you, but we live in a mostly free world, most people are not constrained by the opinions of their country-people...

thats true , i just want to share that is not a proud for us that he is the number one in the world in seniors tour, no body talk about that in news.


Tennis is tennis if it's played on a tennis court with racquets and balls in accordance with the rules. I play tennis. Federer plays tennis. Tennis is played on the senior's tour. 4 year-olds can play tennis

Im just talking about the circuit, the real competence for people like Marcelo Rios is there. He should not been playing in seniors tour , when he win is not a big deal for me like Marcelo Rios fans, just dont care for me (personal opinion)
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he just plays because he can dominate....
 
mhstennis100

mhstennis100

Semi-Pro
This may be stupid but is this Marcelo Rios? I have a game for PS2 with someone named Salvador Rios thats listed as a real pro. Is that true and is that the guy in this thread? Sorry if this is dumb.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
kissmyace said:
Just watched the Paul Haarhuis/Rios match live at the Albert Hall and it was not far off disgraceful.
Rios was shameful in is effort levels. He just went through the motions for most of the match, and then would suddenly reel off 5 or 6 clean winners from nowhere and the shut down again.
In one service game he made 1 attempt at a serve return and even walked to the duece side from the ad side as Harrhuuis went through his service action.
Haarhuis was clearly unnerved by all this and gave him some cheap junk but thankfully pulled the match out.
I was really excited about seeing Rios play as i'd never had the chance before and was looking forward to seeing some of his exceptional shot making, and there were a few, but for all that talent you'd think he make an effort and FIND a way to at least compete. That is the mark of a great player, one who can have a c*@p day but still dig deep and find a way to compete.
Very very dissapointing.
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Why is Rios still playing and tanking matches, not that that is anything new for him. Does he need the money ? Is he broke ?
 
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AndrewD

Legend
Moose Malloy said:
I have trouble believing any pro tennis players had difficult lives.
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Mirjana Lucic, Andrea Jager, Mary Pierce, Jennifer Capriati, Arthur Ashe, Pat Rafter, Gabriela Sabatini, Justine Henin, Ivan Ljubicic, Zina Garrison. In those few examples (and that's only the tip of the iceberg) you have; Poverty, war torn countries, racism, abusive parents, other abusive relationships, early death of a parent and a combination of more than one of those things.

Now, tell us again how no pro tennis players have had difficult lives.
 
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spadesss said:
Rios is very talented, which I think most people would agreed upon. Just that he has mental issues and no gut as some people refered to him. I was blown away years ago when he played Agassi down in Florida (Forgot the Tournament name) many years ago. He make shots effortless like Federer. And the winners are incredible. He won the Final against Agassi. I was impressed with him. We can all agreed that no one will respect him in the game of tennis and I don't think he cares. Lets leave it at that.
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Physically, it was said that he could not stand up to BO5 over 7 matches. Probably true.

Regardless, he was physically not that great and he was injury prone.
 
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bobcolbert

Rookie
Rios always had great talent and bad mentality ... He should have been a great champion, and he was only a good player...
 
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Deleted member 22147

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bobcolbert said:
Rios always had great talent and bad mentality ... He should have been a great champion, and he was only a good player...
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If Rios was only a "good player", then what was Julien Benneteau?
 
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mental midget

Hall of Fame
his mental game was far from first-rate but injuries played a big part in him not fulfilling his promise too, pretty sure his back is what took him out of the game.

but man for the millionth time...what feel for the ball. federer, mac, rios are for me the tops in the 'total racket control' department. might not make every shot but their awareness of the racket face, and what they might do with the ball, is/was just next-level stuff.
 
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