The Gorilla
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSC-pMS0bOs
He makes agaasi and blake look like roddick.
He makes agaasi and blake look like roddick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSC-pMS0bOs
He makes agaasi and blake look like roddick.
think Connors was the best at actually getting huge serves back in play allowing him to stay in point...as far as hitting returns back for outright winners, I'd have to give the nod to Agassi.
..a little extreme, but I agree that Conners was the best cosidering the racquet he used and the way he literally threw his body at the ball.
Considering Agassi played against bigger servers (including arguably the best ever), and returned the serve from the same position, if not closer than Connors--Agassi hands down.
And yes, Connors was also an incredible returner.
didn't return sampras's serve so good did he?
Connors returned te 80's equivilants though.
Roscoe Tanner made Roddick look like a Junior serving,
?? Junior?? Dude, you need to seriously get real. If anything it is the other way around.
On one hand you have Connors standing a little behind the baseline returning against 110?? mph serves.
On the other you have Agassi standing ON the baseline retruning 130+ MPH serves. HMMMM???
I take Agassi's return any day. By the way AA also played some seriously good serve and volleyers. Sampras, Becker, Edberg, Rafter, Krajicek, etc.
(deeeeeeeeep breath)Agassi defeated sampras when he was playing crap,never ever did he beat him when he was on,outside of the australian open.???????? You apparently don't know about their history against one another. Agassi defeated Sampras 14 times in his career. So yes, I would say he was able over the course of their careers to return well against him.
No, he didn't. Other than Sampras himself, there was nobody Connors played who had the equivalent of Sampras' serve. By the way, Jimbo never beat Sampras (0-2)
1.Connors had to return a 115mph with a racquet that had a sweet spot the size of a peanut.Never mind the fact that they're playing with graphite racquets in that video.Nice vid, but
1. The second serve that McEnroe threw at him was a floater. Even on his first serve, McEnroe could never get up to 120 mph until he started using modern racquets.
2. You could dig up hundreds of clips of Agassi hitting clean winners off of serves. He has hit winners off of Roddick's 140 mph+ serves.
John McEnroe himself has said that Agassi was the best returner ever, followed closely by Connors.
DUDE, lighten up on me, Tanner for his time and the racket technology 30 years ago, serving 110-120 was HUGE.
(deeeeeeeeep breath)Agassi defeated sampras when he was playing crap,never ever did he beat him when he was on,outside of the australian open.
No,connors never beat sampras,but he was 40 so you are just exposing your own ignorance there.
I think jmac had the equivelant of sampras's serve seeing as he:was hitting the ball at 130mph consistently in '92,had an unreadable serve,if you look at the video you can see connors had no read on his serve and had to wait until the ball was struck to move.
Possibly one of the dumber statements I have ever read. Between 1993 and 1998 while Sampras was the undisputed # 1 player in the world Agassi beat him 6 timess. Including wins at Paris, AO Finals, Key Biscayne Finals, Montreal Finals, San Jose Finals, and Toronto.
sampras beat agassi 10 times during that period.
not so sure about that.PS: You could now let out that deep breath.
I still don't understand why that was relevant,I don't think you watch tennis,you just look up head to heads on atp tennis.com.Connors did return the 80's equivelants with a racqet that had a tiny hitting area.The only reason I brought this up, is because of the following idiodic remark you made earlier:
"didn't return sampras's serve so good did he?Connors returned te 80's equivilants though."
he did,I can' be ar$ed to lok through all the youtube videos but I saw this in '92,I also saw it last year at wimbledon when he played goran in an exhibition,don't know if you got it in the states it was on bbc.I'm sure other people who were watching tennis in '92 saw it too.so as far as that goes,you're just factually wrong.LMFAO! McEnore? 130 MPH serve?? LOL.
The Gorilla, you know nothing about this subject (tennis). It is obviously not worth it to argue with you. Stick to playing tennis video games.
All that tennis is awesome. I think his returns were really good and extremely explosive. Good find Gorilla!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSC-pMS0bOs
He makes agaasi and blake look like roddick.
in the future try getting video of a match that connors actually won. if his return was so great why didn't he win this match?
he did,I can' be ar$ed to lok through all the youtube videos but I saw this in '92,I also saw it last year at wimbledon when he played goran in an exhibition,don't know if you got it in the states it was on bbc.I'm sure other people who were watching tennis in '92 saw it too.so as far as that goes,you're just factually wrong.
DUDE, lighten up on me, Tanner for his time and the racket technology 30 years ago, serving 110-120 was HUGE.
I KNOW he was,you are 19 and are too young to remember.LOL. You still believe McEnroe was hitting 130 mph serves in his prime?? LOL
I KNOW he was,you are 19 and are too young to remember.
You are not very bright. McEnroe is my all-time favorite player. I grew up idolizing him.....so I DO remember him. And he WAS NOT HITTING 130 mph serves.
130?? LOL
well,you were barely out of nappys before he finished up so I think you are talking crap.He served 125-130 consistently in '92,I watched it,I know what I'm talking about,he was serving 128 against goran last year in an exhibition.
Pardner, Pete Sampras wasn't even averaging 130 in '92, or ever really, and I don't think you're gonna find anybody anywhere that will say John McEnroe had a serve as big or bigger than Pete Sampras. Maybe he hit one or two last year with a juiced gun...not in '92 homeskillet.
,sampras's average according to anothe thread was 85mph,he reached the low 130's though.
Possibly one of the dumber statements I have ever read. Between 1993 and 1998 while Sampras was the undisputed # 1 player in the world Agassi beat him 6 timess. Including wins at Paris, AO Finals, Key Biscayne Finals, Montreal Finals, San Jose Finals, and Toronto.
ROLE THE TAPE: Agassi and Sampras at the US Open. Watch that entire match to see how good both of them were. Agassi won that match becasue of the amount of times he passed Pete and just by the sheer volume of service returns Pete had to hit back to AA.
You are not very bright. McEnroe is my all-time favorite player. I grew up idolizing him.....so I DO remember him. And he WAS NOT HITTING 130 mph serves.
130?? LOL
Yep. And I remember some of McEnroe's aces were slower than 100 mph. Who needs a 130 mph serve when you can ace people with placement ?
yeah that guy had sick placement and spin, especially that can-opener to the ad side. I would agree he hit fairly hard for his time, as it was always being commented on, but 130??? Come on.
he DID,I just can't find any resources on the web detailing his biggest serve,had a look at the videos on youtube,not one of them looks at the speed gun,but I saw it with my own eyes,even last year when he played goran in an exhibition in queens,he hit 128 consistently,he's pushing 50.
LOL. You are too funny dude.
he DID,I just can't find any resources on the web detailing his biggest serve,had a look at the videos on youtube,not one of them looks at the speed gun,but I saw it with my own eyes,even last year when he played goran in an exhibition in queens,he hit 128 consistently,he's pushing 50.
true,but he regularly hit 125-130mph in his queens exo against ivanisevic.Anyway,I feel this thread is losing it's focus,Jimmy Connors is the greatest returner of all time,agassi couldn't hit the angles connors did in his second return.Most players look for free points off their serve,connors looked for free points off his opponents serve."His (McEnroe) fastest serve of the match was 119 mph"
“It’s not like I’m not playing. I’m out there playing on the Champions Tour,” McEnroe said. “I play with some pretty big hitters. Ivanisevic is on the seniors tour and the guy serves 130 (mph).”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11379808/from/RS.2/
maybe he was serving with the wind on that day because if you read his statement, he thought 130 mph serve was pretty big and that's Ivanisevic's serve, not his.
I sense the ground shifting here.We are not talking about mcenroe in his prime,we are talking about mcenroe in '92,with his lickety split band new space age racquet.because of people like you who come up with crazy claims and then try to actually search for proof when there is none. remember, we are talking about when McEnroe was in his prime. HE WAS NOT HITTING 130.
true,but he regularly hit 125-130mph in his queens exo against ivanisevic.Anyway,I feel this thread is losing it's focus,Jimmy Connors is the greatest returner of all time,agassi couldn't hit the angles connors did in his second return.Most players look for free points off their serve,connors looked for free points off his opponents serve.