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Possibly beltsman using Eastern?
I played historically with Eastern and after returning to tennis and changing some racquets and setups, I noticed how sensitive Eastern is to different small things, especially when technique is less than perfect. Prior to poly era Eastern made sense, but snapback effect seems to introduce more variables with poly string beds.
That makes sense. I came to the came conclusion about 7-8 years ago and switched from eastern to semiwestern... something Id always considered since it would let me use the same grip for backhand and forehand. By going to the Angell TC95 it helped me regain my flatter just skimming the net forehand killshots both crosscourt and DTL while being able to hit hard kicking modern poly driven topspin.
 
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Possibly beltsman using Eastern?
I played historically with Eastern and after returning to tennis and changing some racquets and setups, I noticed how sensitive Eastern is to different small things, especially when technique is less than perfect. Prior to poly era Eastern made sense, but snapback effect seems to introduce more variables with poly string beds.

It explains my experience from yesterday. Took TC100 strung with Silverstring 1.25 at 21kg and Fischer Vacuum Mid with pretty loose syn gut to the court yesterday. A friend popped up so we hit a few balls, deep into the twilight. He was wearing flip flops so he played bare footed, I was hitting it around the center of the court so he didn't have to run. As visibility diminished, I had trouble controlling the ball. TC100 was shooting long and I realized I was hitting with more eastern than SW grip.

Apparently, tighter pattern and lower powered nature of TC97 works perfectly with my specific stroke pattern- as revealed by my twilight, half guessing tennis. Both TC100 and Vacuum Mid require different grips and stroke patterns (TC100 at least semi western, Vac Mid extreme eastern), which was highlighted by looser string setups. Good to know.
 

scf

Semi-Pro
I want to restring today. Playing previously at higher tensions (25-26kg) want to try lower now. 23kg should be ok for silverstring/TC100 16/19?
 
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zalive

Hall of Fame
It explains my experience from yesterday. Took TC100 strung with Silverstring 1.25 at 21kg and Fischer Vacuum Mid with pretty loose syn gut to the court yesterday. A friend popped up so we hit a few balls, deep into the twilight. He was wearing flip flops so he played bare footed, I was hitting it around the center of the court so he didn't have to run. As visibility diminished, I had trouble controlling the ball. TC100 was shooting long and I realized I was hitting with more eastern than SW grip.

Apparently, tighter pattern and lower powered nature of TC97 works perfectly with my specific stroke pattern- as revealed by my twilight, half guessing tennis. Both TC100 and Vacuum Mid require different grips and stroke patterns (TC100 at least semi western, Vac Mid extreme eastern), which was highlighted by looser string setups. Good to know.

With an open pattern 100'' you get into a territory of unpredictability, where you essentially want to close racquet's face more, lift the swing path a bit, and thus generate as much topspin as you can to regain the control and predictability from the topspin itself and by playing with bit higher net clearance to increase the margin of error. But it's a different playing style as well. Different tools for different masters.

I had my share of experience with 100'' 16x19 racquets (even with 16x18 100'') and it was enough for me, conclusion was that my playing style and grip don't get along that well with such, so I stay in 95-98'' territory. I'd be willing to try 100'' but only 16x20 or 18x20 interest me for my playing style.

Perhaps one day Paul decides to create an 18x20 TC100, now I'm willing to bet this racquet done by Paul's mastery and layup quality might be a particularly interesting tool. Because it might bridge the precision issues of open pattern 100'' racquets and marry them with some interesting features of 100'' racquets, such as bigger sweet spot, defensive forgiveness and increased stability.
@Racketdesign have you given a thought about bringing 18x20 TC100 to life ? :)
 
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beltsman

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Possibly beltsman using Eastern?
I played historically with Eastern and after returning to tennis and changing some racquets and setups, I noticed how sensitive Eastern is to different small things, especially when technique is less than perfect. Prior to poly era Eastern made sense, but snapback effect seems to introduce more variables with poly string beds.

Nah, extreme Eastern/SW.
 

topspn

Legend
Possibly beltsman using Eastern?
I played historically with Eastern and after returning to tennis and changing some racquets and setups, I noticed how sensitive Eastern is to different small things, especially when technique is less than perfect. Prior to poly era Eastern made sense, but snapback effect seems to introduce more variables with poly string beds.
I think I agree with parts of your rationale in terms of polys and the spin effect made sense for many to move semi western or even full western. I find eastern quite forgiving in all honesty and easily switch between heavy spin and a flatter hit. If I am hitting against a player with very loopy strokes then I tend to move into semi western. The A pallet on the TC100 does give a more pronounced leverage on serves so very interesting given the frame is just a monster on serves already. It is also a bit easier for me to quickly go into my grip for my 1hbh. On the forehand, I am not sensing any big difference in all honesty. Far more difference based on string then grip. I have the TC100 in both A and B grips.
 
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joohan

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With an open pattern 100'' you get into a territory of unpredictability, where you essentially want to close racquet's face more, lift the swing path a bit, and thus generate as much topspin as you can to regain the control and predictability from the topspin itself and by playing with bit higher net clearance to increase the margin of error. But it's a different playing style as well. Different tools for different masters.

I had my share of experience with 100'' 16x19 racquets (even with 16x18 100'') and it was enough for me, conclusion was that my playing style and grip don't get along that well with such, so I stay in 95-98'' territory. I'd be willing to try 100'' but only 16x20 or 18x20 interest me for my playing style.

Perhaps one day Paul decides to create an 18x20 TC100, now I'm willing to bet this racquet done by Paul's mastery and layup quality might be a particularly interesting tool. Because it might bridge the precision issues of open pattern 100'' racquets and marry them with some interesting features of 100'' racquets, such as bigger sweet spot, defensive forgiveness and increased stability.
@Racketdesign have you given a thought about bringing 18x20 TC100 to life ? :)

I promised I'd buy an 18x20 TC97 in case it ever comes to life and I've held my word. Again I promise if ever an 18x20 TC100 comes to life I'll be on it like Agassi on 120km/h second serve. 63RA, of course.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
It explains my experience from yesterday. Took TC100 strung with Silverstring 1.25 at 21kg

Forgot to pay attention, it's a rather loose tension for a 100'' 16x19, so no wonder if it's more sensitive.

I promised I'd buy an 18x20 TC97 in case it ever comes to life and I've held my word. Again I promise if ever an 18x20 TC100 comes to life I'll be on it like Agassi on 120km/h second serve. 63RA, of course.

For an Angell racquet, I'm willing to make this promise myself as well.
 
Hi


I am on the fence about switching to the Angell cos of below reasons

1. No demo, so have no clue if my level if good enough for it

2. If I don’t like it, what's it’s salability given the specs I would choose (either the 97 tour 16x19 or custom 97 16x19, 11.7oz, 12 pt HL)


I currently play with the Bab Pure Control Tour. Have put lead, so guess the static weight is around the 12oz mark or a bit above. Use multi (RIP control) due to TE.


I hit with a friend’s Wilson Pro Staff RF97 strung with Solinco Hyper G strung at 55lbs. After 1 set, no elbow pain at all. So that was very surprising given the higher stiffness of the racket and use of polys. My serve and ground strokes improved too.


So now I am thinking should it go with the PS RF97 or Angell 97? What aspects should I consider before buying either?
 
Hi


I am on the fence about switching to the Angell cos of below reasons

1. No demo, so have no clue if my level if good enough for it

2. If I don’t like it, what's it’s salability given the specs I would choose (either the 97 tour 16x19 or custom 97 16x19, 11.7oz, 12 pt HL)


I currently play with the Bab Pure Control Tour. Have put lead, so guess the static weight is around the 12oz mark or a bit above. Use multi (RIP control) due to TE.


I hit with a friend’s Wilson Pro Staff RF97 strung with Solinco Hyper G strung at 55lbs. After 1 set, no elbow pain at all. So that was very surprising given the higher stiffness of the racket and use of polys. My serve and ground strokes improved too.


So now I am thinking should it go with the PS RF97 or Angell 97? What aspects should I consider before buying either?
There are some demos look up angell Tour 97

Id say the TC97 might be a good fit for you or even the TC95 16x19 depending on your style of play (are you a ballstriker?)

Resale is very easy... in fact you might be able to pick up at Tc97 16x19. They do hold their value.

Where are you located? Angell players often try to help others out by letting you try one out. (oh I see SF... im in PNW north of you)
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
I also felt that A grip is driving more. It feels like a slightly more pronounced head handle( or maybe nowadays they just make it less rectangular?). When I took TC95 and swung it in my house just to feel it, I immediately noticed that my head angle is slightly more opened compared to the one with my wilson blade where it was closed.
 

scf

Semi-Pro
Finally changed the grommets from black to red. It rocks! Like a different racquet!


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joohan

Guest
Hi


I am on the fence about switching to the Angell cos of below reasons

1. No demo, so have no clue if my level if good enough for it

2. If I don’t like it, what's it’s salability given the specs I would choose (either the 97 tour 16x19 or custom 97 16x19, 11.7oz, 12 pt HL)


I currently play with the Bab Pure Control Tour. Have put lead, so guess the static weight is around the 12oz mark or a bit above. Use multi (RIP control) due to TE.


I hit with a friend’s Wilson Pro Staff RF97 strung with Solinco Hyper G strung at 55lbs. After 1 set, no elbow pain at all. So that was very surprising given the higher stiffness of the racket and use of polys. My serve and ground strokes improved too.


So now I am thinking should it go with the PS RF97 or Angell 97? What aspects should I consider before buying either?

I'm re-selling my TC95s after a year and I've lost 10€ per frame. Bought second-handed, though.
 

beltsman

G.O.A.T.
I'm looking at switching my TC95 grip from B to A if the balance and weight stay the same. It's not that I dislike B, but I am curious as to how much A would help my serve.
 

ONgame

Semi-Pro
Received my TC95 today. 27" 70RA 310g 9pts hl, strung with some dead 17g poly from previous owner.

Played 1.5 hrs on wet court that slowly dried, second half of the session were tie breaks.
Won't comment on how the strokes went because it came with pretty dead strings, perhaps honeymoon period, and also played on wet surface.

First Day Impressions:
Very light and maneuverable - though I do plan on adding weight and of course the 17g strings are lighter than what I usually use.
Not as much plow as I imagined from reading the comments here.
The big one is Feel - Amazing! It feels quite close to the K90 but not as stiff. Big improvement from Prince Warrior 100 with EXO3 ports which is too muted.

Going to play some doubles with it tomorrow, then gonna take it to the shop and get a a string job, planning on hybriding with 16g volkl gut mains and 17g head hawk crosses at 58/53 lbs to start, customization to follow.
 

RGT

Rookie
Does the TC97 relate to AI98 overall?
Tough to describe but I'll try my best. I played the ai98 for about a year, three times a week and played the tc97 16x19 for two weeks. Both have roughly the same specs. First of all, I liked the ai98 very much. It's so forgiving en let's you rip the ball whenever you want it to. The only two concerns I experienced was that the stringbed was fairly dense for a 16x19 so I felt I really needed to rip the ball with good head speed in order to get decent spin. The second thing was that somehow, despite it having a low swingweight and balancepoint, my vollies didn't work at all because a. the racket feels a bit unstable and b. it's somehow hard to manoeuvre.

So over to the Angell. I tried the tc95 16x19 because I was worried about the spin potential of the tc97 not being greater than the ai98. Well turns out it has massive spin but I found it to be to demanding for me in terms of swingweight. Vollies were great though.

Well after this I tried the tc97 from a friend in similar specs. I absolutely fell in love with it. But here is the funny thing: I don't thing it is very similar to the ai98 which I liked so much. The thing is that the ai98 is more a tweener frame versus the more classic feeling tc97. The ai98 let's you rip with ease but it comes with a price of not being that stable. The tc97 shines in that department for me. It is very very well rounded in every area. It serves great, far better than any other stick I've tried except from the 95 but it is close, groundstrokes are so solid and give that confidence the create a point the way you want. Lastly, vollies and touchshots are a dream. I found the power to be good. That's maybe to only area where the ai98 is a bit better because the sweetspot is so big you have really easy acces to power although the sweetspot of the tc97 is fairly decent also. Important for me was the fact that the spinpotential and stability were better with the tc97.

All in all, I like the tc97 better than the ai98. Not because it's like the ai98 but better, but just it being a different more allround performing frame that suits my gamestyle better. Therefore I really think that you have to at least try it to see for yourself!

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RGT

Rookie
Well that was a longer post then I intended to write haha[emoji4]

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zalive

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Tough to describe but I'll try my best. I played the ai98 for about a year, three times a week and played the tc97 16x19 for two weeks. Both have roughly the same specs. First of all, I liked the ai98 very much. It's so forgiving en let's you rip the ball whenever you want it to. The only two concerns I experienced was that the stringbed was fairly dense for a 16x19 so I felt I really needed to rip the ball with good head speed in order to get decent spin.

This is really odd...I've played against a partner at the time he used AI98, and it was a spin monster, he made wonders with it. Also AI97 was tested by TW staff and measurements and experience was the same...spin generated was huge. Perhaps your AI98 had a lighter head and a lower SW, possibly lower TW too?
 
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topspn

Legend
Finally, a chance to play singles with my TC100 63RA strung with Halo 2 and playing pretty nicely for 1.5hrs then thwak, it breaks :( 2 hrs doubles and 1.5 hrs singles is what I got out of it. I really enjoyed the playability up to that point.
 
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4-string

Professional
Finally, a chance to play singles with my TC100 63RA and playing pretty nicely for 1.5hrs then thwak, it breaks :( 2 hrs doubles and 1.5 hrs singles is what I got out of it. I really enjoyed the playability up to that point.

It as in racket? Hope it was just the string.
 
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joohan

Guest
Anybody know what the actual flex/stiffness is of the TC97 18X20? I've heard everything from 60 to 64.

Actual is what you measure with your TC97. It varies so it's best to ask Paul for specific measured stiffness when ordering.
 

alexmcnab

Rookie
Anyone tried a cyclone/volkl power fibre 2 hybrid ?
I usually string cyclone @ 50lbs full bed, but expecting the power fibre 2 to arrive soon, so thinking maybe 50 for mains, 53 crosses? Thoughts?
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
From a local Angell dealer I finally had the opportunity to demo the TC95 63RA 16x19, TC97 16x19 and TC100 63RA.

Especially I was interested in the TC95 and TC100 because I prefer the softer 63RA flex.

However the specs of these frames are very different (in weight, balance and strings) that it made very difficult to compare them with my TC95 18x20 (63RA - 330 grams - 12pts HL) . Only I had The TC100 strung with my own Silverstring 1.20mm.

So I had to estimate by my own sense how they would play with my specs preferred.

The TC95 16x19 has a little easier access to spin and a livier response than my TC95 18x20.
The TC97 16x19 felt a little stiffer with lesser vibration/feel than the TC95 16x19. Both frames are great frames but they didn't impress me more than my TC95 18x20.
However the TC100 did! Wow, what a nice touch and how easy to serve with! I am still afterglowing!

Compared to my TC95 18x20 I think I will gain with the TC100 in forgiveness, more power with serves and more biting kick and slice serves
I'll lose a little directional control and consistent feel of the denser 18x20 stringbed.

Still hesitating to order two new TC100s. Some of my doubts are:
Will I miss the directional control of a denser stringbed?
Is the TC100 a right frame for my (allcourt) game (mainly on artifically grass)? I think it will.

I know finally you'll win some and you'll lose some with changes. ;-)
 

ed70

Professional
Hi


I am on the fence about switching to the Angell cos of below reasons

1. No demo, so have no clue if my level if good enough for it

2. If I don’t like it, what's it’s salability given the specs I would choose (either the 97 tour 16x19 or custom 97 16x19, 11.7oz, 12 pt HL)


I currently play with the Bab Pure Control Tour. Have put lead, so guess the static weight is around the 12oz mark or a bit above. Use multi (RIP control) due to TE.


I hit with a friend’s Wilson Pro Staff RF97 strung with Solinco Hyper G strung at 55lbs. After 1 set, no elbow pain at all. So that was very surprising given the higher stiffness of the racket and use of polys. My serve and ground strokes improved too.


So now I am thinking should it go with the PS RF97 or Angell 97? What aspects should I consider before buying either?


Had some time with the PCT, I Really liked the frame but found it a little under powered on serve and defense I tried some lead at 12 but still couldn't quite get what I wanted, the TC97 is similar to the PCT But has more put away power, serves faster and is better in defense. It has a similar feel on volleys nice touch.
Cant really comment on the RF97, completely different frame I hit with one for 15 minutes, it reminded me how much I liked my TC97!
 

topspn

Legend
From a local Angell dealer I finally had the opportunity to demo the TC95 63RA 16x19, TC97 16x19 and TC100 63RA.

Especially I was interested in the TC95 and TC100 because I prefer the softer 63RA flex.

However the specs of these frames are very different (in weight, balance and strings) that it made very difficult to compare them with my TC95 18x20 (63RA - 330 grams - 12pts HL) . Only I had The TC100 strung with my own Silverstring 1.20mm.

So I had to estimate by my own sense how they would play with my specs preferred.

The TC95 16x19 has a little easier access to spin and a livier response than my TC95 18x20.
The TC97 16x19 felt a little stiffer with lesser vibration/feel than the TC95 16x19. Both frames are great frames but they didn't impress me more than my TC95 18x20.
However the TC100 did! Wow, what a nice touch and how easy to serve with! I am still afterglowing!

Compared to my TC95 18x20 I think I will gain with the TC100 in forgiveness, more power with serves and more biting kick and slice serves
I'll lose a little directional control and consistent feel of the denser 18x20 stringbed.

Still hesitating to order two new TC100s. Some of my doubts are:
Will I miss the directional control of a denser stringbed?
Is the TC100 a right frame for my (allcourt) game (mainly on artifically grass)? I think it will.

I know finally you'll win some and you'll lose some with changes. ;-)

I think it fits an all court game very nicely. Besides, the monstrous serves and the ease of generating variety in serving, it is a great volley stick. You can volley from anywhere on the court with excellent feel and sense of where the ball is going. Power is kinda absurd so needs a low powered string with good feedback to compliment this stick.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Thanks for your response. That takes a little of my doubts away. I just decided to go for it and order 2 new TC100s!
I also strung the TC100 at a bit higher tension (24/23 kg) with WC SS 1.20mm.
 

topspn

Legend
Thanks for your response. That takes a little of my doubts away. I just decided to go for it and order 2 new TC100s!
I also strung the TC100 at a bit higher tension (24/23 kg) with WC SS 1.20mm.
Yeah, I have become so convinced of the TC100 63RA that I am seriously thinking of selling off my TC95s and stop the switching between them. The additional forgiveness is very nice and I don’t feel I am giving away a lot of precision. The TC100 is like a more amped TC95 with forgiveness.
 
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joohan

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From a local Angell dealer I finally had the opportunity to demo the TC95 63RA 16x19, TC97 16x19 and TC100 63RA.

Especially I was interested in the TC95 and TC100 because I prefer the softer 63RA flex.

However the specs of these frames are very different (in weight, balance and strings) that it made very difficult to compare them with my TC95 18x20 (63RA - 330 grams - 12pts HL) . Only I had The TC100 strung with my own Silverstring 1.20mm.

So I had to estimate by my own sense how they would play with my specs preferred.

The TC95 16x19 has a little easier access to spin and a livier response than my TC95 18x20.
The TC97 16x19 felt a little stiffer with lesser vibration/feel than the TC95 16x19. Both frames are great frames but they didn't impress me more than my TC95 18x20.
However the TC100 did! Wow, what a nice touch and how easy to serve with! I am still afterglowing!

Compared to my TC95 18x20 I think I will gain with the TC100 in forgiveness, more power with serves and more biting kick and slice serves
I'll lose a little directional control and consistent feel of the denser 18x20 stringbed.

Still hesitating to order two new TC100s. Some of my doubts are:
Will I miss the directional control of a denser stringbed?
Is the TC100 a right frame for my (allcourt) game (mainly on artifically grass)? I think it will.

I know finally you'll win some and you'll lose some with changes. ;-)

Depends on how often do you rely on maximum precision or what grips you mostly use. Me, I'm slowly realizing that it's more about me learning to harness the power and spin of the TC100 rather than needing maximum precision and low powered response of my other frames. To some extent and from certain level, lower powered frames can actually mask the flaws you might have in your technique because no matter how hard (and incorrect) you hit the ball, it tends to land in anyway.

If the difference is night and day, not even worth discussing but TC95 and 100, both in 63RA, are very close in feel and even performance. For me, TC100 is an all rounders dream. Easy to trade heavy top from the baseline, slice is almost as good as with my 18x20 TC97 (and that one is 11/10), volleys are a breeze and touch shots are sublime. Pair it with thicker, lower powered string (in my case) and you shouldn't need any another racquet anymore. You know, performance wise .)

Edit: even flattening out the shots works very well with the 100
 
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Gee

Hall of Fame
Depends on how often do you rely on maximum precision or what grips you mostly use. Me, I'm slowly realizing that it's more about me learning to harness the power and spin of the TC100 rather than needing maximum precision and low powered response of my other frames. To some extent and from certain level, lower powered frames can actually mask the flaws you might have in your technique because no matter how hard (and not perfectly correct) you hit the ball, it tends to land in anyway.

If the difference is night and day, not even worth discussing but TC95 and 100, both in 63RA, are very close in feel and even performance. For me, TC100 is an all rounders dream. Easy to trade heavy top from the baseline, slice is almost as good as with my 18x20 TC97 (and that one is 11/10), volleys are a breeze and touch shots are sublime. Pair it with thicker, lower powered string (in my case) and you shouldn't need any another racquet anymore. You know, performance wise .)

Edit: even flattening out the shots works very well with the 100
Thanks for your nice words on TC100. I just ordered 2 (with the same specs as I did with my TC97) with green grommets! :)
 

alexdoro

New User
Depends on how often do you rely on maximum precision or what grips you mostly use. Me, I'm slowly realizing that it's more about me learning to harness the power and spin of the TC100 rather than needing maximum precision and low powered response of my other frames. To some extent and from certain level, lower powered frames can actually mask the flaws you might have in your technique because no matter how hard (and not perfectly correct) you hit the ball, it tends to land in anyway.

If the difference is night and day, not even worth discussing but TC95 and 100, both in 63RA, are very close in feel and even performance. For me, TC100 is an all rounders dream. Easy to trade heavy top from the baseline, slice is almost as good as with my 18x20 TC97 (and that one is 11/10), volleys are a breeze and touch shots are sublime. Pair it with thicker, lower powered string (in my case) and you shouldn't need any another racquet anymore. You know, performance wise .)

Edit: even flattening out the shots works very well with the 100

What are your TC100 unstrung specs?
 
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