Grass is obsolete
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Deleted member 512391
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The biggest Nadal fan from Europe here and I think that the grass is the most entertaining surface to play on.
icedevil0289
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lmao eye test, when was the last time you went for one
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Chadillac
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Its very refreshing after watching the clay season.
But it is obsolete, no masters speaks for itself.
But it is obsolete, no masters speaks for itself.
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Deleted member 77403
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Looks like another failed eye test...
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Deleted member 688153
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Huge Zverev and Tomic fan here.
Grass is the best surface.
Grass is the best surface.
Standaa
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Nadal fans complain about Federer
Federer fans complain about Nadal
Federer fans and Nadal fans complain about Djokovic
Clay is Nadal’s best surface
Federer fans complain about clay
Grass is Federer’s best surface
Nadal fans complain about grass
Hard is Djokovic’s best surface
Shouldn’t Federer and Nadal fans complain about it?
Federer fans complain about Nadal
Federer fans and Nadal fans complain about Djokovic
Clay is Nadal’s best surface
Federer fans complain about clay
Grass is Federer’s best surface
Nadal fans complain about grass
Hard is Djokovic’s best surface
Shouldn’t Federer and Nadal fans complain about it?
Federer and Del Potro
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icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
I mean grass is like 4 freak weeks, leave it alone.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Roddick fan here and I agree, grass is the most boring thing ever.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Mury fans goat
Standaa
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Mainad
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Deleted member 756486
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Lifelong Mischa Zverev fan here and I think grass is boring.
Grinding from the baseline is way better!
Grinding from the baseline is way better!
Red Rick
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Deleted member 720910
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Anything that makes tennis more offensive is more skilful, clay/dirt has constant rallies because when the ball hits the ground the ball crawls to a ****ing halt. So it's more about the engine the player has...
In my opinion I'd rather see the better tennis player play well then the body builder. But I guess the OP likes all them muscles rolling in the dirt!
In my opinion I'd rather see the better tennis player play well then the body builder. But I guess the OP likes all them muscles rolling in the dirt!
Eye Test
Rookie
Clay is more based on skill than other surfaces thats why servebots get exposed on clay...
davced1
Hall of Fame
Big No on that question. Grass is like the sports car of tennis. Fast, slick and exiting. Yes the rallys are shorter but once the ball is in play it all comes down to the players instincts, improvisation and attacking mindset. One defensive shot and boom, a winner get's by in a flash, no mercy.
Eye Test
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Hey there, there is nothing wrong with my eyes!
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Deleted member 720910
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Serving takes skill, not just serving but faster surfaces need better and more offensive tennis which takes a lot more skill.
Dirt is slow and more about moonballing and stamina.
Skill > Body Builders.
Federer > Nadal.
Salt is strong with this one.
Eye Test
Rookie
Im not sure what you mean.
Who are the bodybuilders you speak of.
AlexanderTheGreat08
Hall of Fame
How do you expect guys like Goffin and Schwartzman to succeed on Grass?
ADuck
Legend
I'll reply seriously. I think nobody in this era can play on medium/fast grass anymore which is why the rallies seem less skillfull and more primitive now. Basically whoever hits the ball harder first, will win the rally. Even Federer I think is more suited to the slow grass. Whether it's because of the new racket technology and/or lack of grass court tournaments (therefore lack of practise/play) I don't know.
Hawaiian grip
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I strongly disagree with the OP, but I also disagree with you on this. Grass as a recreational surface is probably the toughest, not an amateur-friendly surface at all IMO.
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Deleted member 512391
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I was just trolling the troll, have never played on grass.
Or how about the fact the biggest tournament in tennis, the de facto world championships Wimbledon is played on grass?
Clay works better for defensive grinders. You can do well on clay by standing behind the baseline running side to side lobbing moonballs. Fitness comes into it a lot.
Grass is way more skilful. You have to take on a faster incoming ball meaning you need better reaction time and technique.
Hawaiian grip
Professional
Haha ok.
I have only played on natural grass once and it was really uncomfortable for me to get used to the bounce and how the ball kind of skids. My quads and hamstrings were all sore the following day. Granted, I've mostly played on red clay and HC, so it may be the lack of habit...
Whoever hits the hardest shot in and in the best place wins the point. There is nothing wrong with that. If the whole season was on the same surface, it would be boring. The grass season is like 5 weeks. Then goes back into hard( and clay for whatever reason).
Hawaiian grip
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Your depiction of clay is as preposterous as the OP's depiction of grass. It's sad you need to resort to common places to reply to a bad trolling attempt.
Obviously it isn’t the be all end all of clay but you can get by from doing that where as on grass you need to have technique and skills to hit winners, can’t just receive and wait for an error because any decent attacking player will destroy you.
ADuck
Legend
Was never complaining about it. Just pointing out that I don't think anyone in this day an age, with the exception of Federer, can play well on medium/fast grass anymore. And even Federer I think is more suited to the slower grass.
Hawaiian grip
Professional
No, you can't get by from doing that on clay. Any decent current player will crush short moonballs, you need way more than fitness and lobs. That's like saying you can get by on current grass by servebotting your way through the matches. Granted, it's a very important weapon, but far from being the only one.
Deon Sanders
Legend
Okay... Ned fan
I don't really know what playing well means on grass. Nick played well. He lost. I just find the whole thing hilarious as it was like yesterday people were saying there wasn't much difference between clay and grass. Which I could never understand. Even slow medium grass is a totally different animal than clay.
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Look at most Fedal matches on clay. Federer is often the aggressor but Nadal reacts to Fed’s offensive play by running side to side and tapping the ball back.
Yes you can get by just grinding on clay. Lots of these guys push the ball side to side waiting for an error. Can’t do that on grass or a fast HC.
What makes you say that?
I dare say that had Wimbledon been Stuttgart speed since 2001, Federer would be on 10-11 Wimbledon’s and I couldn’t see Djokodal winning any.
The slower grass hurts him as it makes it harder to hit winners and finish points at the net.
Hawaiian grip
Professional
Seriously man, if you think that you'd better change sports. I thought for a moment there this was 2005 and we have to deal with that ''he only moonballs' drivel...
I can't believe anybody who has played tennis or seen tennis live on court dares say such nonsense. I have a piece of advice for you: go watch some clay tournament featuring Nadal live on court and then come back and post your thoughts. If you still think he merely 'taps the ball back' then you need to get your eyes checked ASAP. It's actually funny that you don't realize that your narrative is actually insulting to Federer, who who had his ass repeateadly kicked by a guy who supposedly 'taps balls back'.
He doesn’t just do that of course, but a lot of his play boils down to running down Federer’s “winners”. He can’t do that on grass or fast HC.
Faster surfaces reward technically more skilful play and rewards the better tennis player.
ADuck
Legend
He may well have because I don't think anyone would have had the game to stop him, but Federer at his core is an aggressive baseliner, and watching him both on slow and medium/fast grass makes me think that. He is better on the slow grass imo. I could easily see a big server upsetting him on medium/fast grass like Kyrgios almost did despite his lack of return game.
Hawaiian grip
Professional
Faster surfaces also let you get away with some flaws in your game in a way clay doesn't. If you are to hit a winner on clay, it's got to be a really good shot and it's probably going to be after a beautiful point construction. That's why clay is a tremendous surface to grow up on -you can't either servebot your way to win nor start blasting shots and see if you're on and it works out. You need to really earn it, you need to work on the point and need to be mentally stronger, as well as develop a more complex sense of strategy in order to deal with tough, long points.
See? Two ways to look at it. Unfortunately, you can only see one of them, just like the OP.
See? Two ways to look at it. Unfortunately, you can only see one of them, just like the OP.
True, like Tsonga in 2011? Lights out tennis that was.
Conversely, the faster grass helps him vs Nadal and Djokovic and I think he converts a couple more finals.
AlexanderTheGreat08
Hall of Fame
We don’t know that
I’ve lost track of the amount of times Federer hit a clean, powerfully struck awesome FH on the line or corner, but Nadal ran it down and tapped the ball back to the baseline, then Fed makes an UFE. A technically brilliant shot that would’ve been a winner on a faster surface goes unrewarded.
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Chadillac
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DId you read that in your newspaper? Us open/AO are the biggest now, times have changed
