Where does Djokovic rank all time on grass?
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Tennisanity
Legend
Achievements? Obviously 4th after Fed, Samp, Borg.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
What about Rafa ? He made 5 consecutive finals in peak grass perod .
vex
Legend
Lolololol
Tennisanity
Legend
They weren't consecutive. He skipped in 2009 because his mommy and daddy had a fight.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
No chance in hell he surpasses Sampras, I even doubt it with Borg.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
He's behind Edberg and Connors when he has double the Wimbledon titles? LMAO.
Novak's a good grass court player.
4 Wimbledons is a mighty fine total.
As a grass court player and taking everything into account, Fed, Sampras, Borg, McEnroe and Becker are ahead of Novak imo and he's probably on a par with Connors and Edberg.
Achievements Slam wise, he's ahead of some of those, but I feel peak Mac with 5 straight Wimbledon finals and Becker with 7 Wimbledon finals are still ahead and a little better as grass court players.
4 Wimbledons is a mighty fine total.
As a grass court player and taking everything into account, Fed, Sampras, Borg, McEnroe and Becker are ahead of Novak imo and he's probably on a par with Connors and Edberg.
Achievements Slam wise, he's ahead of some of those, but I feel peak Mac with 5 straight Wimbledon finals and Becker with 7 Wimbledon finals are still ahead and a little better as grass court players.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
2009 doesn't count as Rafa was injured
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
7th All Time behind Federer, Sampras, Navratilova, Borg, Serena & Graf
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Do Laver and Newcombe rank after Murray in open era?
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Funnily enough, nobody played tennis on grass until 1968. So Fred Perry, Bill Tilden, Rod Laver, Lew Hoad, etc, can be comfortably ignored in this discussion.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
What's so funny? They've got as many majors on grass as each other, Connors has more finals, he's won grass court majors in 3 different places, and he's got 9 grass court titles compared to 5. If he didn't have to deal with guys like Newcombe and McEnroe who the surface catered so massively towards he might have a couple more. They're both such similar, baseline first, backhand lead players, and that Connors accomplished as much as he did on grass the way it used to play is a pretty remarkable thing. He beat McEnroe at Wimbledon when it was something close to impossible, he'd die to be playing Wimbledon on this **** they do now. Djokovic just defended his way to the Wimbledon title, I laugh at the idea he's one of the genuine all time greats.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Even if you give him a pass for injury/sulking (you shouldn't - if you don't compete, you lose), five finals but only two titles is clearly behind five finals with four titles.
Rafa's OCD
Semi-Pro
has 2 titles and didn't make it past R4 in 7 years, so no
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
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Legend
Not just no, HEEEEEEEELLLLLLL NO
And lol at “defending his way” do you even watch these matches? Ffs
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Literally, Emerson and Tilden have 10 grass court majors, Laver 9, Perry and Newcombe 7, Rosewall 6, but these are the gods of grass.
Rafa's OCD
Semi-Pro
Nadal always has some excuse, doesn't he?
broke both his feet, tore multiple collateral ligaments and likely suffered a concussion in the pre-match warmup before the semi so it's amazing he was even able to push it to 5!!!
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
vex
Legend
how many matches did he win against Fed and Rafa on grass?
Zhilady
Professional
That's kind of like saying Federer has almost twice as many Majors as Rod Laver.
I guess you're going to be spending a good part of the next 50 years laughing then.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Oh crap. I thought Laver won 1 in the Open Era but it's 2. I would have to redo that list.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, do you? He did next to nothing for the first two sets today, just sat back and let Anderson implode. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but to suggest it makes him one of the absolute best grass court players ever is a laugh. He's got a very good serve that has helped him a long way, but that's about the only part of his game that genuinely makes me think he'd do well on grass any time any where. Would he be so able to neutralize these big servers bombs on a grass court where the ball doesn't kick up a metre in the air?
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Average level: Djokovic > Nadal
(And that's whether average is mean, mode, or median).
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Edberg won 2 Australian Opens on the grass of Kooyong that played like Wimbledon today, and 2 Wimbledon's on the grass of old. Shows a lot more grass greatness to me. Connors too won grass court majors all over the place on grass courts that didn't cater so massively to his game. Don't let context stand in the way of your count.
vex
Legend
There’s no arguing with blindness. We literally just had 3 straight days where Novak bombed pinpoint serves, dictated with his FH and BH, bit 70ish winners against Rafa and neutralized Anderson’s massive serve but still biased idiots spew nonsense. It is what it is. Djoker won, have a seat
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Edberg did win two AO titles on grass but 2 AO titles + 2 Wimbledon titles is not equal to 4 Wimbledon titles. Djokovic is greater since he won the most coveted trophy 4 times when Edberg did it twice. No one is going to rank Edberg over him when they look back over history.
vex
Legend
This too but I didn’t even bother arguing cause Edbergs a class act and was a great serve and volleyer worthy of respect. Connors is just trash
Love how he ignores the fact that Djoker woulda won more grass if AO was grass
Rafa's OCD
Semi-Pro
Djokovic's 2011 and 2015 were better than any seasons had by any ATP player this century not named Roger Federer
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ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Damn, what a great argument.Yes, he bombed pinpoint serves, that was great. Dictated with his forehand and backhand? Are you kidding me? You're calling me blind?
He was defending and defending like there was no tomorrow in that semi final. The dictating he did was minimal. Over 20 of his 70ish winners were the aforementioned aces, he was hardly slaying off the ground. And yes, he neutralized Anderson's serve, again, ball kicking up the way it does on todays grass makes that a lot easier than it was for someone like Agassi, or the aforementioned Connors (granted, the serves were not as big then). You calling other people biased. Nice one. Try acting like you weren't born yesterday. All I've said is he's in the bottom half of the ten greatest grass courters of the open era, and everyone's having a meltdown. Poor dears.
StannisTheMannis
Hall of Fame
Yea I’d have to say behind the obvious 3 of Fed/Sampras/Borg. 4 Wimbledon’s is a very elite class.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Question is begging for the counter: grass? This grass?
vex
Legend
Lol no.Damn, what a great argument.Yes, he bombed pinpoint serves, that was great. Dictated with his forehand and backhand? Are you kidding me? You're calling me blind?
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
You're saying he'll win 3 more Wimbledons?
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
God, I'm really not crying, nor salty, nor bitter. It's the day of the Wimbledon final and I'm talking tennis, god forbid.Cry more
If I had come in this thread, and said "YES! HE'S RIGHT BEHIND FEDERER, HE'S BEATEN HIM TWICE IN THE FINAL!" nobody would have taken issue with anything I said. Good stuff.
StannisTheMannis
Hall of Fame
Uhh do you mean century? Federer doesn’t have a season in this decade on that level
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
You can't just add their wins in other grass court majors. Who's to say how many grass court majors Djoker would have if 3 out of 4 majors were played on grass today?
Not to mention the AO field in the early/mid '70s had questionable depth
At the very least you'd have to say Djokovic is massively more accomplished than Edberg and Connors at Wimbledon
Rafa's OCD
Semi-Pro
my bad on that one. I basically forgot we're nearly done with the second decade of the century lol
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
I don't know what to say, that's a very simplistic way of thinking
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