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Win more slams or clean up on the 250 circuit?
Murray and Stans potential goals
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Both of them shouldn't worry about winning anything right now. Getting back to 100% should be priority, results, ranking, etc will follow.
Rafa4GOAT
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I think Murray is done winning big titles, maybe a random masters here and there. I wouldn’t be surprised if he would be happy winning 250 tourneys. Stan on the other hand I believe can still win slams, although I don’t think he’ll be as consistent as he was in his 2014-2017 AO years.
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I can't see Murray going the distance in a best of 5 unless he can figure out a way to play more aggressive, which I just can't see happening.
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I think Murray would be much more comfortable on the doubles circuit if he's determined to continue playing tennis
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If Murray and Stan are reading this right now. Please team up guys
tennisfan2015
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Stan will end up with 4 GS while Murray will end up cleaning the bathroom at home.
heninfan99
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Stan really wants a Wimbledon to complete his collection.
He was knocked out by a returning Del Potro, knocked out by Federer, knocked out by Gasquet. He was closer than people think.
He was knocked out by a returning Del Potro, knocked out by Federer, knocked out by Gasquet. He was closer than people think.
TheGhostOfAgassi
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Wawrinka need to loose weight to protect his knee better.
yokied
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Excellent gif. Murray is beyond done - no majors, no 250s. I hope he doesn't put himself through too much more misery. Hewitt had a lot of little annoying injuries that ruined his prime but didn't rob him of hope. Murray's injury should be appraised honestly for what it is: the end for anyone who gets it. He had a good run for a while and should be happy with that. Clinging to false hope is saddening to see.
Even though Djokovic has lost major finals to both, he's serious now and playing against the clock to try to catch Fedal. He won't allow himself to lose to these two again. Stan is one of the few with the weapons to beat a serious Djokovic and I really hope Stan can come back. He may turn out to be the only hope against Djokovic out of the group.
Slice'n'dice
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I don't think either are winning any more slams, stranger things have happened but the odds are against it. Back competing and fighting for smaller tournaments would be a good thing to aim for and if that goes well can start to aim higher.
Odds are a bit better for Murray I'd say given his work ethic and age, but his game is also more demanding, which is why I think neither of them are going to be serious contenders for slams again. Nonetheless it'd be nice to see them back at a decent level, the game is better with them even if they are somewhat shadows of their former selves.
Having said that, if the likes of Anderson and Isner are still getting to semis and finals of slams then anything's possible.
Odds are a bit better for Murray I'd say given his work ethic and age, but his game is also more demanding, which is why I think neither of them are going to be serious contenders for slams again. Nonetheless it'd be nice to see them back at a decent level, the game is better with them even if they are somewhat shadows of their former selves.
Having said that, if the likes of Anderson and Isner are still getting to semis and finals of slams then anything's possible.
junior74
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Good post! I was almost certain Stan would be back on top level for AO, he made clear progress after his return. As you say, he is the only one who can deal with top Djokovic now. Federer is done, losing sets to everyone... Nadal is not good enough outside clay.
The end of Murray is sad. Good for him that he reached #1, despite the terrible state the tour was in at that moment. It felt deserved. He has worked really hard in the shadow of Big3.
BeatlesFan
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So did Lendl and we know how that worked out.
And Stan has never remotely been “close” to getting anywhere near a Wimbledon title. His best result is a QF.
Red Rick
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Wawrinka will coach Jack Draper to a Wimbledon title?
Phoenix1983
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Neither of these men shall win a slam title again, I fear.
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tennis_pro
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Wawrinka's chances of winning anything big from now on are slim but Murray's are zero.
heninfan99
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QF is close. Very close. Two matches away, especially if The Stanimal faces Djokovic in the final.
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I'd love for Stan to achieve the Career slam. Can't see it happening though. Grass being his weaker surface and with time against him
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I wonder if Murray will shave off the rest of his hair next season. A bald Murray would be cool to see. The Scottish Jason Statham. Hopefully Nadal don't beat him too it...
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Wurm
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You have an out by one error.
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It was a Ferrer fan who made the comment, not a Fed fan. And why not? You hate on Roddick/Hewitt. Returning the favor hurts doesn't it?
CYGS
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I rarely comment on Hewitt/Roddick, and no, many Fed fans (plural) did.
Who's that Ferrer fan?
CYGS
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Are you Ferrer fan?
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I thought you were referring to @yokied who is a fan of David Ferrer. I myself stayed away from heaping rubbish onto Murray here and instead gave some cerebral feedback.
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I skim his posts a lot so meh.
heninfan99
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Even that quarter itself was an amazingly close 5 setter.
tennis_pro
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Ferrerero
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If Djoker someplace is safe in front of Stan, it's a grass surface. For Wawrinka, grass is the worst surface, he needs an ideal position to play his killer strokes. He needs time. Therefore, it is more successful at clay and slow hard surface, where it has time to get into ideal gaming positions, no at grass.
Mainad
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Mainad
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No surprises there. Ever since I first joined here 7 long years ago I noticed that Fedfans are amongst the biggest detractors of Murray in these forums for some peculiar reason and they continue to be!
However, one of the biggest haters by far is a Hewitt fan!!
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Mainad
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CYGS
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They shiiiiit on Murray to prove Djokovic's weak era it seems.No surprises there. Ever since I first joined here 7 long years ago I noticed that Fedfans are amongst the biggest detractors of Murray in these forums for some peculiar reason and they continue to be!
However, one of the biggest haters by far is a Hewitt fan!!
BeatlesFan
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I would switch those around and say Andy has the better chance of winning a slam again. He's two years younger than Stan and always has been fitter and more committed than Stan. Neither will probably ever get close to winning a major in the future, but if Andy can recover his movement, he could be a contender if he has an absolute cakewalk draw.
tennis_pro
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That's why I said his chances of winning anything are zero. I don't believe his hip will recover. I would be surprised if he reached the top 20 again to be honest. Wawrinka on the other hand still has the game. Just needs time and match play/confidence.
Also, Wawrinka is a late bloomer. He was basically a tier 3 player until he was 28. Murray has already tasted success in his teens.
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Ahah very nice.. He looks like a young bond villian. I can see him sitting crossed legged, stroking a kitty catToo late!
heninfan99
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That's what they said on clay on hard and everything else. lol
oldmanfan
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Three.
As a quarter-finalist, one needs to win 2 matches to 'reach' the finals, but one needs to win 3 matches to win the title. And the last 3 matches usually are the toughest to win. Stan couldn't win even 1 of those matches out of his few chances, let alone 3 straight. QF is pretty far from the title, especially if one has never even made the SF of said slam before.
heninfan99
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No ****. I was assuming that he wins QF. Two more wins and he has the title. Knowing how hot The Stanimal can get, he was very close. Win the quarters and you're two matches from winning the most grand of slams for all tennis players on earth.
To think otherwise shows you're a casual.
yokied
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People reading things that aren't there and not reading the things that are. That must make life so easy. I don't hate Murray at all. I clarified it a this post here >>> (yokied) but will flesh it out a bit here.
How could I be a Hewitt and Ferrer fan and hate Murray, who modelled himself on Hewitt with a similar work ethic? I love having guys like that around to make sure Maestro and other ATGs really earn their titles. I just don't cling to false hope. Nobody comes back in this sport from the degree of hip problems Murray has had. I hope I'm wrong, but he's done.
Apart from the way Murray handled the injury ruining draws with late withdrawals and the box abuse fad he started, my gripes are with Murray fans. You can cherry pick stats as much as you like, which is pretty loltastic given how you guys love to hose down Fedalovic fans doing the same. At least Fedalovic fans are arguing for all the marbles. What are you guys arguing for? The right to be remembered as someone worthy of the marbles but who never got anywhere near close but somehow got a little bit closer than all the others who never got close? Fedalovic cherry picking is positively biblical in scope compared to the arcane nonsense you guys come up with. When Murray had his chances, he blew them. He will be remembered a lot closer to non-ATGs like Hewitt, Roddick, Rafter and Stan than to the big 3.
And as for the era arguments, I have never entered into them and never will. You play the guy across the other side of the net and that's it.
The fact that Murrwinka stopped Djokovic more than a few times may end up costing him all the marbles. This would be tough but fair because Djokovic sometimes lapses from his top aggressive level and tries to push his way to victory. That deserves to be punished, albeit if Murrwinka did it in very different ways.
How could I be a Hewitt and Ferrer fan and hate Murray, who modelled himself on Hewitt with a similar work ethic? I love having guys like that around to make sure Maestro and other ATGs really earn their titles. I just don't cling to false hope. Nobody comes back in this sport from the degree of hip problems Murray has had. I hope I'm wrong, but he's done.
Apart from the way Murray handled the injury ruining draws with late withdrawals and the box abuse fad he started, my gripes are with Murray fans. You can cherry pick stats as much as you like, which is pretty loltastic given how you guys love to hose down Fedalovic fans doing the same. At least Fedalovic fans are arguing for all the marbles. What are you guys arguing for? The right to be remembered as someone worthy of the marbles but who never got anywhere near close but somehow got a little bit closer than all the others who never got close? Fedalovic cherry picking is positively biblical in scope compared to the arcane nonsense you guys come up with. When Murray had his chances, he blew them. He will be remembered a lot closer to non-ATGs like Hewitt, Roddick, Rafter and Stan than to the big 3.
And as for the era arguments, I have never entered into them and never will. You play the guy across the other side of the net and that's it.
The fact that Murrwinka stopped Djokovic more than a few times may end up costing him all the marbles. This would be tough but fair because Djokovic sometimes lapses from his top aggressive level and tries to push his way to victory. That deserves to be punished, albeit if Murrwinka did it in very different ways.
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