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Can anyone really stop Djokovic next year? Nadal is injured, prolly won’t be a factor next year anywhere except clay and slams. Delpo injured. Federer starting to show his age, playing pretty lousy tennis so far regardless of his performances against Anderson and Thiem. Murray and Wawrinka are basically write offs, still coming back from injuries they received a whole year ago, maybe even before.

Zverev seems mentally weak against Djoker. Khachanov and Tsitsipas caught him on off days, but maybe both of them can give him some problems next year.

As for the rest of them, Dimitrov, Cilic, Raonic, Isner, ehhh. No real threat to Novak.

Let’s not even start on Kyrgios.

Thiem, Schwartzman, just others who won’t do much to Novak.

I can see him winning every tournament with ease bar all 4 slams and a couple masters on clay. Ralph might get RG again and the Old man might put up one last show down under or at SW19, but who knows.
 
Subway Tennis

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Fabresque said:
Can anyone really stop Djokovic next year? Nadal is injured, prolly won’t be a factor next year anywhere except clay and slams. Delpo injured. Federer starting to show his age, playing pretty lousy tennis so far regardless of his performances against Anderson and Thiem. Murray and Wawrinka are basically write offs, still coming back from injuries they received a whole year ago, maybe even before.

Zverev seems mentally weak against Djoker. Khachanov and Tsitsipas caught him on off days, but maybe both of them can give him some problems next year.

As for the rest of them, Dimitrov, Cilic, Raonic, Isner, ehhh. No real threat to Novak.

Let’s not even start on Kyrgios.

Thiem, Schwartzman, just others who won’t do much to Novak.

I can see him winning every tournament with ease bar all 4 slams and a couple masters on clay. Ralph might get RG again and the Old man might put up one last show down under or at SW19, but who knows.
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You answered your own question.

Kachanov and Tsitsi both beat him this year and are young, hungry and entering their physical primes. They are likely to make further improvements in the new year.

The big "What if?" is whether or not they will get the chance to do it on the biggest stage - one of the four majors.
 
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Subway Tennis said:
You answered your own question.

Kachanov and Tsitsi both beat him this year and are young, hungry and entering their physical primes. They are likely to make further improvements in the new year.

The big "What if?" is whether or not they will get the chance to do it on the biggest stage - one of the four majors.
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Lmao good luck to them stopping him at grand slams, where it actually matter the most! Both times, where he lost he lost at tournaments, where nothing high was at stake! (In Bercy his biggest job was not to let the Federer get the title in order to lock him out of the firts place year end ranking! That job was done and winning the title wasn't necessary anymore, so his level drastically dropped in hi match against russian!), in Canada all he needed is more practice before the masters, that truly matters, the one he never won! And that masters was needed as a stepping stone for his preparation of the quest to the USO glory! All the most important tickswere checked! And they will check again in 2019! Meanwhile yeah...Khachanov and ko can snatch a few masters here and there and cause an occasional "upset" but who cares hones tly?! In IS-Miami he is likely to win yet another sunshine double, in AO he will win the tournament for an all-time standalone recorord, he will probably win one of clay series masters and then also steal RG from Nadal, then he will ignore Queens Club to concentrate on defending his WC title and will succeed in doing so, then he will "sacrifice" both of US series masters tournaments just to make sure he stays fresh until US Open and that is ladies and gents how he can achieve CYGS next year! Don't believe me?! Just watch! Lmao what happens next ina season won't even matter, but if you insist he will probably fail at both of Fall masters, but will still defend his ATP finals title (which he is most likely to win here this year...)
 
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As players get older, it becomes harder to predict their form over the coming year reliably. If Djokovic were 24, we could pretty much guarantee that he would sustain decent form throughout next year. But he's not, he's 31. Playing fantastic tennis, but more prone to injury, more prone to upset and more likely to decline in form. The NextGen might continue to step up and we might see some stronger performances from them next year. Nadal is still the favourite for RG. Fed might nab Wimbledon. Djokovic could get upset at one of the other two in an early round. We just don't know. I think it's reasonable to predict Novak wins at least 1 slam and possibly more, but beyond that it becomes much less clear
 
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Djokovic is going to win the calendar slam and end this silly "GOAT" talk.

He'll be viewed as the best of this era, and the Big 3 will be viewed as having heavily inflated slam totals based on 3 different players from the same era eventually finishing with 20+ slams. Gonzales, Laver, Borg, and Sampras back into the "GOAT" discussions.
 
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strongwilled said:
Djokovic is going to win the calendar slam and end this silly "GOAT" talk.

He'll be viewed as the best of this era, and the Big 3 will be viewed as having heavily inflated slam totals based on 3 different players from the same era eventually finishing with 20+ slams. Gonzales, Laver, Borg, and Sampras back into the "GOAT" discussions.
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Fair warning: Djokovic will have a hard time sustaining a winning level at AO 2019:

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Towny said:
As players get older, it becomes harder to predict their form over the coming year reliably. If Djokovic were 24, we could pretty much guarantee that he would sustain decent form throughout next year. But he's not, he's 31. Playing fantastic tennis, but more prone to injury, more prone to upset and more likely to decline in form. The NextGen might continue to step up and we might see some stronger performances from them next year. Nadal is still the favourite for RG. Fed might nab Wimbledon. Djokovic could get upset at one of the other two in an early round. We just don't know. I think it's reasonable to predict Novak wins at least 1 slam and possibly more, but beyond that it becomes much less clear
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He doesn't have to win virtually everything he enters, like he was doing once! He can win a masters or two (probably the most important ones, which are Indian Wells and Miami double!), then all he has to do is concentrate on three consecutive grand slam tournaments to achieve CYGS! Will he dominate every single tournament in 2019 that he enters, like he once did? Probably not, not likely! Will he dominate grand slams? Oh, absolutely, because he will maintain his schedule clever, so that he would stay fresh and competitive, where it matters the most!...7-8 titles, 4 of which are all 4 grand slams, in addition 2-3 masters and maybe even another YEC title to set new tournament all-time record! Sounds about right for someone like Djokovic, 31 years of age or not...
 
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Djokodalerer31 said:
He doesn't have to win virtually everything he enters, like he was doing once! He can win a masters or two (probably the most important ones, which are Indian Wells and Miami double!), then all he has to do is concentrate on three consecutive grand slam tournaments to achieve CYGS! Will he dominate every single tournament in 2019 that he enters, like he once did? Probably not, not likely! Will he dominate grand slams? Oh, absolutely, because he will maintain his schedule clever, so that he would stay fresh and competitive, where it matters the most!...7-8 titles, 4 of which are all 4 grand slams, in addition 2-3 masters and maybe even another YEC title to set new tournament all-time record! Sounds about right for someone like Djokovic, 31 years of age or not...
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This.
 
Towny

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Djokodalerer31 said:
He doesn't have to win virtually everything he enters, like he was doing once! He can win a masters or two (probably the most important ones, which are Indian Wells and Miami double!), then all he has to do is concentrate on three consecutive grand slam tournaments to achieve CYGS! Will he dominate every single tournament in 2019 that he enters, like he once did? Probably not, not likely! Will he dominate grand slams? Oh, absolutely, because he will maintain his schedule clever, so that he would stay fresh and competitive, where it matters the most!...7-8 titles, 4 of which are all 4 grand slams, in addition 2-3 masters and maybe even another YEC title to set new tournament all-time record! Sounds about right for someone like Djokovic, 31 years of age or not...
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Anything's possible, but I highly doubt that Novak is going to win a CYGS next year when he couldn't do it in his prime. Scheduling is all well and good but it doesn't guarantee fitness. Fed had some radical scheduling last year. But he still got injured in Montreal, which possibly cost him the US open, or at least made him unprepared for it. NCYGS number 2, by taking AO and FO is certainly possible but it partly depends on Nadal
 
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Fabresque said:
I can see him winning every tournament with ease bar all 4 slams and a couple masters on clay.
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If he wins everything except for the slams and a couple of clay masters, as you suggest, he should qualify easily for the ATP finals and be a strong contender for #1, even if it will feel strange having a slamless player at the top. Shades of WTA on the ATP Tour, can't wait... :eek:
 
Zoolander

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Djoko will match Nadals slam count next year.......

desperate Nadal fans will be crying in their sangria around wimby or us open time. Unless Tio Tony puts out a contract on Novak and he has an unfortunate “accident” just before the French open. :oops:
 
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Djokovic winning CYGS next year is huge for his legacy:
1. Match Laver's OE CYGS record;
2. Match Budge's 6 consecutive slams;
3. Surpass Fed to be the sole leader in AO;
4. Surpass Nadal in slam count;
5. 1st and only OE DCGS winner;
6. 1st and only Double NCYGS winner.

This is his last chance and I hope he gets it and becomes the GOAT.
 
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Towny said:
As players get older, it becomes harder to predict their form over the coming year reliably. If Djokovic were 24, we could pretty much guarantee that he would sustain decent form throughout next year. But he's not, he's 31. Playing fantastic tennis, but more prone to injury, more prone to upset and more likely to decline in form. The NextGen might continue to step up and we might see some stronger performances from them next year. Nadal is still the favourite for RG. Fed might nab Wimbledon. Djokovic could get upset at one of the other two in an early round. We just don't know. I think it's reasonable to predict Novak wins at least 1 slam and possibly more, but beyond that it becomes much less clear
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A poast full of sense!

If just looking at results, Djokovic's W/L record has been great starting from WB. But so many forget that he was beatable and could easily have lost in a bunch of matches (early rounds WB, Cinci where Dimitrov was up a set and break, Cilic was up a break in the 3rd in both Cinci? and Bercy, early rounds USO Nole didn't look great until SF against Nishikori, barely beat Federer in Bercy that could've easily gone the other way, [vulnerable against a fatigued Zverev in their WTF 2RR match where Z had BP to serve out set1, then who knows]).

Sure, Nole won all of those matches, but the fact that he was in a position to lose them is what Djofans are not considering. He can't keep winning close matches and it'll all average out, yet suddenly he's unbeatable in 2019 and will win most/all of the big titles? :unsure:
Let's see if Djokovic can prove it. Very tall order.
 
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strongwilled said:
Djokovic is going to win the calendar slam and end this silly "GOAT" talk.

He'll be viewed as the best of this era, and the Big 3 will be viewed as having heavily inflated slam totals based on 3 different players from the same era eventually finishing with 20+ slams. Gonzales, Laver, Borg, and Sampras back into the "GOAT" discussions.
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So the Big 3 will have won too much to be GOATs then? And Sampras etc. will be be back in discussion because their gap to the top becomes BIGGER? Oh man, some people have a strange logic.

If anything, then each winning around 20 Slams while the other 2 are around ADDS to their legacy. Imagine how many Slams each of them could have won with only Sampras’ or Borg’s competition around.

I really hope you were sarcastic though... :p
 
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Fabresque said:
Can anyone really stop Djokovic next year? Nadal is injured, prolly won’t be a factor next year anywhere except clay and slams. Delpo injured. Federer starting to show his age, playing pretty lousy tennis so far regardless of his performances against Anderson and Thiem. Murray and Wawrinka are basically write offs, still coming back from injuries they received a whole year ago, maybe even before.

Zverev seems mentally weak against Djoker. Khachanov and Tsitsipas caught him on off days, but maybe both of them can give him some problems next year.

As for the rest of them, Dimitrov, Cilic, Raonic, Isner, ehhh. No real threat to Novak.

Let’s not even start on Kyrgios.

Thiem, Schwartzman, just others who won’t do much to Novak.

I can see him winning every tournament with ease bar all 4 slams and a couple masters on clay. Ralph might get RG again and the Old man might put up one last show down under or at SW19, but who knows.
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Djokovic can stop djokovic next yr
 
Steve0904

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I don't know if anyone stops him next year. I don't know if anyone stops him in 2020 or 2021 or whatever other year we pick, but that's the whole point. If he dominates next year we'll say the same thing leading into 2020 etc etc.... and one of these coming years (maybe this one) somebody is going to be horribly wrong. It only depends on how quickly that year comes.

That is simply how sports works. Not just tennis. ALL sports.
 
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@CYGS There's a good reason it hasn't been done in decades; inherently hard objective to achieve.

That said, if he does it, that'll be an incredible achievement. Definitely GOAT discussion worthy but you'll still find not everyone will agree that it proves he's GOAT outright. (just like many still don't with Roger)
 
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I would like to see him in Australia where the conditions have changed/became faster (if anyone has the CPI values for 2015 and 2016, would love to see them), it could be challenging for Nole especially because he still relies on grinding his opponent out and goes for his shots when it necessary. Is that a winning formula for a guy who will be 32 next year? Remains to be seen.
 
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Djokodalerer31 said:
He doesn't have to win virtually everything he enters, like he was doing once! He can win a masters or two (probably the most important ones, which are Indian Wells and Miami double!), then all he has to do is concentrate on three consecutive grand slam tournaments to achieve CYGS! Will he dominate every single tournament in 2019 that he enters, like he once did? Probably not, not likely! Will he dominate grand slams? Oh, absolutely, because he will maintain his schedule clever, so that he would stay fresh and competitive, where it matters the most!...7-8 titles, 4 of which are all 4 grand slams, in addition 2-3 masters and maybe even another YEC title to set new tournament all-time record! Sounds about right for someone like Djokovic, 31 years of age or not...
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Anything less than this would be a huge disappointment. Expecting less than double digits in titles won is underestimating him quite a bit imho - even if those 7-8 include the 5 biggest titles on tour
 
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Nole will be 32 next year. The probability of an older player continue to dominate, be consistent, and stay fit/healthy decrease with age. He will have peak and valley next year.

You can't beat father time !
 
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True Fanerer said:
Djokovic isn't winning the CYGS.

Keep on dreaming.
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I don't think they believe Nole will win the CYGS, because they are just trolling.

From mid 2016 to mid 2018, Nole went slamless for 2 years. He could winning nothing next year. If I was his fan, I would be happy if he managed to win 1 slam.
 
guitarra

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Goofy thread. Many things can happen in a year time:

1) he may lose form or motivation or injure himself, he'll be 32 next year so no spring chicken anymore
2) a younger player may improve drastically and take it to another level, we saw it happen many times in the past, there's many candidates, at least 4-6 players

The future is unknown.
 
StanIsTheMan

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Funny how 1 year ago practically everyone here wrote Djokovic off the map, people forget how very easily things can change.

I really like Novak, it would be amazing to see him sweep all 4 slams, but this is only a dream until he wins RG next year, then it can become real.
 
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TMF said:
I don't think they believe Nole will win the CYGS, because they are just trolling.

From mid 2016 to mid 2018, Nole went slamless for 2 years. He could winning nothing next year. If I was his fan, I would be happy if he managed to win 1 slam.
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I dunno. They might :D
 
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Novak winning in 2019:
1GS- 80%
2GS- 55%
3GS- 20%
CYGS- 2%

I still hope for CYGS scenario to come true, but chances for that are slim as they always were, since the beginning of OE.

I believe a realistic scenario would be 2GS, and that would be really great, keeping him in GOAT race.

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itrium84 said:
Novak winning in 2019:
1GS- 80%
2GS- 55%
3GS- 20%
CYGS- 2%

I still hope for CYGS scenario to come true, but chances for that are slim as they always were, since the beginning of OE.

I believe a realistic scenario would be 2GS, and that would be really great, keeping him in GOAT race.

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With two Slams and, let’s say, another YE1 I think Nole would be ahead of Federer at the same age.
 
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strongwilled said:
Djokovic is going to win the calendar slam and end this silly "GOAT" talk.

He'll be viewed as the best of this era, and the Big 3 will be viewed as having heavily inflated slam totals based on 3 different players from the same era eventually finishing with 20+ slams. Gonzales, Laver, Borg, and Sampras back into the "GOAT" discussions.
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If he wins the calendar slam in the weakest era of tennis I've ever seen ends the year with 18 GS, he'll be exactly what he is today -- an ATG AND a year older. The rest of your prediction makes even less sense.
 
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Ann said:
If he wins the calendar slam in the weakest era of tennis I've ever seen ends the year with 18 GS, he'll be exactly what he is today -- an ATG AND a year older. The rest of your prediction makes even less sense.
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Not in the court of public opinion. If he wins the CGS next year, all the analysts will be saying he is "probably the greatest player of all-time."

Then over time, after the Big 3 retire, people will look back at tennis history and say, "you know, Djokovic/Nadal/Federer played in a different era. Borg skipped the Australian Open and retired at age 25. I think I rate him over so-and-so."
 
True Fanerer

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itrium84 said:
Novak winning in 2019:
1GS- 80%
2GS- 55%
3GS- 20%
CYGS- 2%

I still hope for CYGS scenario to come true, but chances for that are slim as they always were, since the beginning of OE.

I believe a realistic scenario would be 2GS, and that would be really great, keeping him in GOAT race.

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1GS - 75%
2GS - 40%
3GS - 15%
4GS - 0.000000000000001%
 
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strongwilled said:
Not in the court of public opinion. If he wins the CGS next year, all the analysts will be saying he is "probably the greatest player of all-time."

Then over time, after the Big 3 retire, people will look back at tennis history and say, "you know, Djokovic/Nadal/Federer played in a different era. Borg skipped the Australian Open and retired at age 25. I think I rate him over so-and-so."
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You over-estimate the public's opinion of Djokovic. But hey cool fairy tale bro.
 
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0 GS- 5 percent
1 GS- 20 percent
2 GS- 40 percent
3 GS - 25 percent
4GS (the holy grail) - 10 percent
 
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