I have a wild theory that Naomi and Sascha split before or during the AO but just had to keep appearance, this might also make sense of her thanking him for "hitting with her these past weeks". Maybe he was just her hitting partner and gave some advice as opposed to being her coach during the AO. I just wonder what lines were crossed or is he the one who chose to leave? She really seems angry at him.
Osaka splits from coach
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NuBas
Legend
What's wrong with her speeches? You don't have to watch them..... unless you clicked on them...
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Either way she’s still going to have to pay the win a Major title bonus.
She forgot about the bonus.
NuBas
Legend
oh man
some interesting 'stuff' in this thread.
I really like Osaka and a part of that is the 'innocence' i preceive from her.
maybe i'm being naive.
anyway, whenever there is so much money at stake there is bound to be politics...(yuck).
I don't think we're wrong with either person. I just think she's far too reserved and to be honest still very naive and young, she may regret this move later on but I do think it has to do with money a bit and other factors which comes with success, trade offs.
If they split because of their relationship got to be more than just tennis that is a shame. I am sure it happens being these coaches and players spend an enormous amount of time together. Not right at all. Being young has its disadvantages , too impressionable and looking at their coaches as being more than just their coach. I really hope that is not the reason.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Yet another one who gets the big head & fires the people who bought them to the dance-Bouchard, Ostapenko etc.
MatsPhilander
Legend
upchuck
Hall of Fame
I think we should accept the possibility that just because she is a woman doesn't man she needs him to be successful. It could be that she fairly assessed that he was less a coach with irreplaceable insights than a hitting parter, and she no longer wanted that for his price. She may have fairly assessed that most if not all of her gains in the last year were due to her own work ethic and maturation. Our collective sexism is showing.
FiReFTW
Legend
I agree with some posters here.
Many in this thread are very naive.
Osaka has a ton of money, money is no issue here.
Theres something behind the scenes that we dont know about.
She seems quite upset with him.
It screams like they were involved and split, or maybe one told the other they have feelings but the other doesnt return them, something like that would make sense for this situation.
But there are other possibilities also, but certainly has to do about their relationship somehow.
Many in this thread are very naive.
Osaka has a ton of money, money is no issue here.
Theres something behind the scenes that we dont know about.
She seems quite upset with him.
It screams like they were involved and split, or maybe one told the other they have feelings but the other doesnt return them, something like that would make sense for this situation.
But there are other possibilities also, but certainly has to do about their relationship somehow.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
She is a human being with probably a very good reason for sacking the coach.
If you were in her shoes you would probably done the same.
If you were in her shoes you would probably done the same.
TagUrIt
Hall of Fame
Without knowing the true inner workings of their relationship, how can anyone speculate who’s ungrateful, what someone may have done or didn’t do. It’s not that uncommon for players to end relationships with coaches and vice versa. So maybe hold off on the judgement of Naomi or Sascha?
MatsPhilander
Legend
Let's hear what it is then-because it just comes across as arrogance like we have seen with previous players who win a slam or become a top level player & then sack their coach or pretty much their entire team & then go into freefall.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Yes, but generally you end a relationship because it isn't fruitful-if your coach has just guided you to winning consecutive slams then it is bizarre to dispense with a winning formula.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Please let's not turn this into a feminist propaganda thing-we had enough of that drivel with the Bafta's & Grammy's the other night. It wouldn't matter if her coach was male or female-why would you get rid of somebody who has helped you achieve consecutive slams? I mean if he was just a hitting partner then he isn't a coach-she could find a hitting partner anywhere for free or little money, so why pay him a big fee if that is all he is & why call him your coach? Of course a lot of it will be her work, no matter how good your coach is you still have to put the hard work in to make their advice/training a reality, but obviously if you have gone from effectively nowhere to winning two slams in a row then the coach must have bought a lot of ideas & training regimens that have made a huge difference. To give him just a non-descript sendoff is poor, his response was a lot more what you would have expected from her-gratitude & thanks.
TagUrIt
Hall of Fame
I agree with you, but maybe she didn’t feel as if as though he guided her. In which case, he wasn’t very helpful or beneficial to her. Again, this is speculation. Only Naomi and Sascha know what really took place.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
She probably has a very good reason for it.
If that coach was a person she felt was very important for her career, she wouldnt sack him.
Its something there we dont know about.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Laughing at the people who think they were romantically involved. No chance in hell they were. He probably requested too much of her or perhaps Serena poached him back with lots of money.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
All 3 reigning slam champs have split with the coach that led them to their slam victory.
Halep (RG champ) and Cahill
Kerber (Wimbledon champ) and Fissette
Osaka (USO & AO champ) and Sascha.
This isn’t that out of the ordinary.
Halep (RG champ) and Cahill
Kerber (Wimbledon champ) and Fissette
Osaka (USO & AO champ) and Sascha.
This isn’t that out of the ordinary.
Rogfan
Professional
What a shame their partnership ended this way. Whatever the reason might be, Osaka’s twitter announcement could have been a lot friendlier and diplomatic. The cold announcement doesn’t shine a good light on her. I assume she doesn’t have a PR team and didn’t ask her parents for advice.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
What if they weren't separating on amicable terms or is nowadays everything needed to be sugarcoated?
Pistol10
Professional
She, Angie & Caro, they made the same mistake!
First was Caro with sascha, after improving her game, mostly the aggressive game, and when she felt strong enough, she ended the partnership, few months later, her game not just results became.
Angie did year the same to her coach, after a very successful year last season, the same happened maybe when he demanded more money.
Now Naomi did the same, with the same story, successful journey then split!
WTA coaching formula:
_ Hire a good coach.
_ Make a progress.
_ when you think you took from him/her what you need, and think you can do it by yourself, DON'T PAY THIM....FIRE THIM!
First was Caro with sascha, after improving her game, mostly the aggressive game, and when she felt strong enough, she ended the partnership, few months later, her game not just results became
.Angie did year the same to her coach, after a very successful year last season, the same happened maybe when he demanded more money.
Now Naomi did the same, with the same story, successful journey then split!
WTA coaching formula:
_ Hire a good coach.
_ Make a progress.
_ when you think you took from him/her what you need, and think you can do it by yourself, DON'T PAY THIM....FIRE THIM!
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Sport
G.O.A.T.
The coach was too old for her. He was 34 and she was 21, that is, 13 years of difference. Osaka must have like 1 million guys in their 20s intereseted in her, so I doubt she would be interested in a relatively old man (compared to her).
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Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
13 years old gap?? pfttt...Let me introduce me to THIS couple then!
This is famous reaction channel for those, who are watching reaction videos on youtube, when i was watching all their videos the whole time i was pretty damn convinced she is at very least his mother! LOL Turns out she could pass as not only his mother, but also a grandma! LMAO But things happen...life is strange and bizzare!
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Obviously, you don't know how relationship really works. Those 1 million guys that are interested in her is not connected to her and there is little chance anyone of those will connect with her. However Sasha is right there next to her all the time and age difference plays very little role in that type of situations. I dated girls 15 years younger than myself and no issues there as long as neither party is married.
They are both mateur adults and it is very possible scenario. I am not sure what type of guys Naomi goes for but who knows
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Also, I am trying to apply for coaching position for Simona Halep and if I get accepted, I will be very serious in our relationship and keep it professional, of course. but if she wants more from the relationship, I am open to that too.
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Deleted member 77403
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I always thought that if anyone had the potential to be the Tommy Gunn of tennis, it would have been Zverev, but after only making one quarters, he really can't...amazed it turned out to be Osaka.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Both iconic for different reasons.
Stretchy Man
Professional
Please tell me you're joking. I'd feel better knowing you're over 33 so you're not dating children, but then still creeped out that your avatar is a little girl.
Luka888
Professional
Something seems to be off with Osaka as another poster noticed too. I can't pint point what but is is odd. I don't think it's a good idea to change something that isn't broken but it's her life. We don't know what's behind the scene. My feeling is that Osaka is not what the media and the rest of the world want her to be. Nothing against her by the way. I like the girl a lot, but something with her is not in sync.
Rogfan
Professional
What if they weren't separating on amicable terms or is nowadays everything needed to be sugarcoated?
Really? Her two line announcement sounds great to you? No this is not sugarcoated at all. This is a coach that helped you jump from #68 to #1 and win 2 slams along the way. Even if he’s just a hitting partner, he gotta be a good one. Surely he deserves a bit more than just a two line announcement. I have to say it tells you a bit about the person and their emotional intelligence. Or you could look at it a different way - if she could ‘sugarcoated’ her tweets a bit, it eliminates so much speculation so it’s to her benefit as well.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Yes.
She thanked him for his work, so she acknowledged his contribution, and I am sure he was paid for his services.
The point I was making is that there MUST be something that is not quite right, so making that post she might have wanted to indicate that.
I don't think that it is a "sign of better emotional intelligence" to conceal problems. That is pure PR BS.
mxmx
Hall of Fame
I'm not a fan of her. She has become very big headed very quickly. Success came too fast and she knows she is the next big thing in womans tennis. I wish Kvitova beat her in the AO final....to wipe that expression off O's face. I have never seen a face with such an annoying expression. Not even Serena or Sharapova comes close. To me she's the Zverev of woman's tennis atm.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
If you are 40 and not married and no kids, then there is nothing wrong with dating a 25 year old. Lots of older guys in the 40's get jealous because they are married with kids and this is something they like to do but is Impossible for them due to their situation.Please tell me you're joking. I'd feel better knowing you're over 33 so you're not dating children, but then still creeped out that your avatar is a little girl.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Never thought I'd see Osaka in the role of Tommy Gunn
Lol. This culminated into one of the most satisfying beatdowns in the history of cinema.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Yes, this is the big issue. It is baffling that anybody would sack somebody who has made a huge difference to their career, but to do it in such a WWE callous wish you all the best in your future endeavours way is horrible. Even more when he replies basically on his knees thanking her for allowing him to work with her.
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MatsPhilander
Legend
Maybe controlling parents? The Japanese culture is very different to ours-respect for parents/elders regardless of how they behave etc is a long held tradition there. If mummy & daddy are running things then you can expect her career to go right down the toilet-this never works in any sport. I must admit I didn't like the way she was behaving against Petra in the AO final-came across as bratty & supreme gamesmanship.
I always though she was kind of weird, even though I have rooted for her this past year. He must have done something right as she has won two slams since Sasha became her coach. I will not root for her anymore.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe he has some nasty habits, smell bad or something. Maybe some type of behavior hard to tolerate we dont know about.
Must be a reason why he gets sacked all the time.
Must be a reason why he gets sacked all the time.
I'd love to see Naomi with Sloane's old coach, Kamau Murray.
He had such a positive effect on Sloanes mentality.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Naomi "The Machine Gun" Osaka.
And yes, that beatdown always makes me feel good.
We can only hope Naomi doesn't go that route.No matter how many times I see that movie, Tommy Gunn always makes my blood boil. The way he did Rocky was so foul but he got what he deserved in the end.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
And unfollow him on instagram and Twitter and he unfollow her too hmm
EkVraNaamEnVan
New User
He is already with Monica Puig, announced about two weeks ago.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
No matter how many times I see that movie, Tommy Gunn always makes my blood boil. The way he did Rocky was so foul but he got what he deserved in the end.
We can only hope.
Can you imagine her saying..."I want my respect!" While pacing back and forth.
I wonder who would be Paulie - "Naomi, you're a piece of trash you know that?!"
Naomi then smashes Paulie with her racket. Lol
And yes, Tommy was an effective villian, you want to see get beatdown.
