I think it is time that us, Nole's fans start to...

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call him oldish, 32 years old player.
Than we should, right after his 32th birthday (05.22.2019), call him 33 old grandad.

Just imagine "33 years old grandad Nole got to RG final" of even win event. Doesn't it sound much better than "Nole got to RG final"?
Or, are you aware that just "2 months ago 32 old grandad Novak won AO"?
I am starting to understand Fed fans who are doing this kind of "Fed is old" stuff since he got 30 yo...:eek:.
We, Nole's fans, are already few years late, but its never too late to start this, I admit ingeniously great , "Nole/Fed/Nadal is old grandad" stuff.
It is very nice point in every discussion, practically win-win situation. If he wins its miracle, ie "33 years old won :eek:", and if he loses "its miracle that 33 yo even plays tennis". Niceeee ;)


At the end, I hope that by proposing that we call Nole old I am not breaking some kind of copy-write right of Federer to only he could be old.
From my side, I don't have any copy-write pretensions on this great idea that even other players beside Federer can be old too, so for example even Nadal fans are welcome to call him grandad ;) I am even sorry for Nadals fans because they lost 3 years of great "he is old" arguments.
 
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tennis_pro said:
A 32 year old Fed had peak Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro etc.

Who does old Djokovic have? Borna freaking Coric and Tsitsiparas?
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So, player get old, than get younger, and than get old again, depending of competition?
Competition is different topic, if competition is crucial why mentioning age at all?
Fed fan are calling him old/grandad since 30 yo. My point is, why we cant call other players old since they are over 30 yo too? Great excuse, I admit, we should use it too.
 
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beard said:
So, player get old, than get younger, and than get old again, depending of competition?
Competition is different topic, if competition is crucial why mentioning age at all?
Fed fan are calling him old/grandad since 30 yo. My point is, why we cant call other players old since they are over 30 yo too? Great excuse, I admit, we should use it too.
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It's all relative. Fed at 30 was the oldest top player (at that moment) by far. He also had younger players (Nadalovic) hunting him down.

Now Fed is still a top player at 37, making everyone else look young. And guys like Djokovic have nobody hunting them down.
 
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Gazelle said:
It's all relative. Fed at 30 was the oldest top player (at that moment) by far. He also had younger players (Nadalovic) hunting him down.

Now Fed is still a top player at 37, making everyone else look young. And guys like Djokovic have nobody hunting them down.
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Young players exist, but they're not as good as the older.
 
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Gazelle said:
It's all relative. Fed at 30 was the oldest top player (at that moment) by far. He also had younger players (Nadalovic) hunting him down.

Now Fed is still a top player at 37, making everyone else look young. And guys like Djokovic have nobody hunting them down.
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Well, Rafa and Novak are, beside Federer, oldest top guys for years too, so what is the point? Its not that they have numerous old players to compete..
Old excuses showed to be bull sheet :)
 
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Gazelle said:
It's all relative. Fed at 30 was the oldest top player (at that moment) by far. He also had younger players (Nadalovic) hunting him down.

Now Fed is still a top player at 37, making everyone else look young. And guys like Djokovic have nobody hunting them down.
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Federer had nobody hunting him down before Nadal and even more so - Djokovic. That is the similarity.
Federer was younger and at the begining of his career when he had that, Djokovic is older and at the end of his career when he has that. That is the difference.

So, indeed, it's all relative.
 
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Tennis_Hands said:
Yes, 32/33 is pretty advanced age for a tennis player, so calling him "old" is not out of place.

Just don't do it in the presence of his elders: it is disrespectful and leads to confusion.

Sentences like "Old Djokovic toppled Kohlschreiber in R1 of Serbia Open" are not OK.

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Well, nobody wrote that, so what is the point?
The point of this thread is that Novaks and Nadals fans don't make age excuses at the same age Federer fans did that.
When Federer won at W 2012 it was like "100 years old won" fairy tale, but when Novak won at AO 2019 at even older age, none even mentioned that fact. Double standards?
 
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beard said:
Well, nobody wrote that, so what is the point?
The point of this thread is that Novaks and Nadals fans don't make age excuses at the same age Federer fans did that.
When Federer won at W 2012 it was like "100 years old won" fairy tale, but when Novak won at AO 2019 at even older age, none even mentioned that fact. Double standards?
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I know what is the purpose of this thread, crickey. :)

I am just trying to impart some sense of what is reasonable, and I already addressed your objections even before you made them.

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"It is time now"!?:oops: I hear you OP, but the time for Nole to become Old and past his prime have been long in the past now.;)
As well as for Nadal in that regard!
But you don't hear it as much, because the Nadal and Djokovic fans aren't bunch of whiny wussies, as the members of certain fanbase, that's for sure. ;)
 
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mwym said:
Federer had nobody hunting him down before Nadal and even more so - Djokovic. That is the similarity.
Federer was younger and at the begining of his career when he had that, Djokovic is older and at the end of his career when he has that. That is the difference.

So, indeed, it's all relative.
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And Federer enjoyed that situation for how long compared to Djokovic again? Please remind us.
 
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beard said:
Well, nobody wrote that, so what is the point?
The point of this thread is that Novaks and Nadals fans don't make age excuses at the same age Federer fans did that.
When Federer won at W 2012 it was like "100 years old won" fairy tale, but when Novak won at AO 2019 at even older age, none even mentioned that fact. Double standards?
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Maybe because Federer at 31 beat peak 25 year olds in Murray and Djokovic while Djokovic beat Nadal who's even older than him lmao?

Where is this fairly tale Im missing?
 
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You're very welcome to call him old. Winning the AO at 31 years old, especially in the manner that Novak did, is very impressive. I doubt any Fed fans would have a problem with it.

The reason we have referred to Federer as being old, apart from the fact that he is, is because he is old relative to his competition. His main rivals have been 5 or more years younger than him. As it stands, at the slam level, that is not the case for Novak. Maybe it will be if the NextGen finally step up. In which case, feel free to say that Novak is old if one of them takes him out at a slam. It will be true.
 
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tennis_pro said:
Maybe because Federer at 31 beat peak 25 year olds in Murray and Djokovic while Djokovic beat Nadal who's even older than him lmao?

Where is this fairly tale Im missing?
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Well, again you about competition, does competition make you younger or older? If it all about competition why mention age?
Murray? Is that the same Murray that sucks everywhere, except in some finals with Nolemug?
Towny said:
You're very welcome to call him old. Winning the AO at 31 years old, especially in the manner that Novak did, is very impressive. I doubt any Fed fans would have a problem with it.

The reason we have referred to Federer as being old, apart from the fact that he is, is because he is old relative to his competition. His main rivals have been 5 or more years younger than him. As it stands, at the slam level, that is not the case for Novak. Maybe it will be if the NextGen finally step up. In which case, feel free to say that Novak is old if one of them takes him out at a slam. It will be true.
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Arent all Nadal and Novaks rivals younger than them too? We cant even call Federer rival because he is too old, cant we?
 
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beard said:
Well, nobody wrote that, so what is the point?
The point of this thread is that Novaks and Nadals fans don't make age excuses at the same age Federer fans did that.
When Federer won at W 2012 it was like "100 years old won" fairy tale, but when Novak won at AO 2019 at even older age, none even mentioned that fact. Double standards?
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Who are they going to make age excuses against even if they want to.. Against Dimitrov? Raonic?
Zverev? Or some other lame Gen player?
Fact is neither of Big 3 is loosing to them, so their decline due to age isn't showing up and hence Fanbases are not giving up any possible reasons /excuses.
 
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Nadal_Django said:
The Fed fanboys have be using that mantra since 2008, trying to rationalize Feds defeats against Fish, Karlovic, Simon, Djokovic, Murray, Nadal etc etc
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True. Fed fans are not as creative as Nadal fans who went from Baby Nadal to rationalize his earlier losses to injured Nadal for everything that followed. Fed fans are quite bland and could do with looking at Nadal fans for inspiration.

Federer perpetually old
Nadal perpetually injured

;)
 
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beard said:
So, player get old, than get younger, and than get old again, depending of competition?
Competition is different topic, if competition is crucial why mentioning age at all?
Fed fan are calling him old/grandad since 30 yo. My point is, why we cant call other players old since they are over 30 yo too? Great excuse, I admit, we should use it too.
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Yer conflating "old" and "grandad"

Any 30 year old can definitely may be labeled "old". You are officially no longer young at that pivotal number (even outside tennis)

But leave the "grandad/geriatric/gramps/ancient etc labels for the ones that are deeper into their thirty something years.
 
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OP, majority of the people ack that neither Nadal or Djokovic are not young anymore, and both have passed their peaks and primes several years back.

They are old in tennis terms.
 
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Nadal_Django said:
"It is time now"!?:oops: I hear you OP, but the time for Nole to become Old and past his prime have been long in the past now.;)
As well as for Nadal in that regard!
But you don't hear it as much, because the Nadal and Djokovic fans aren't bunch of whiny wussies, as the members of certain fanbase, that's for sure. ;)
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Hahaha
I start to like your bs posts more and more.

What happened to Fed being injured if Nadal showed up at IW LOL.

Don't tell me the warrior withdrew AGAIN
 
Gazelle

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mwym said:
Federer had nobody hunting him down before Nadal and even more so - Djokovic. That is the similarity.
Federer was younger and at the begining of his career when he had that, Djokovic is older and at the end of his career when he has that. That is the difference.

So, indeed, it's all relative.
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Not sure what your point is. While you are technically right, I was discussing why Nadalovic are perceived younger at age 32 than Fed was.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be arguing about who had it the toughest, which is a whole other debate.
 
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Hitman said:
OP, majority of the people ack that neither Nadal or Djokovic are not young anymore, and both have passed their peaks and primes several years back.
They are old in tennis terms.
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But, difference is that even in 33 (32) yo no one (or not so often, to be measured) of Novaks and Rafas fans dont mentions age as excuse, while Fed fans started doint that at Feds 30 yo :eek:
Why they don't realize now, when Nadal and Novak are as good as Federer at the same age, that age is not that big deal anymore and that other things are more important. And to finally stop age excuses bull sheet...
 
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beard said:
Well, again you about competition, does competition make you younger or older? If it all about competition why mention age?
Murray? Is that the same Murray that sucks everywhere, except in some finals with Nolemug?
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Are you really this dense? Several people gave you a simple explanation and you still ignore all of that.
 
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beard said:
Arent all Nadal and Novaks rivals younger than them too? We cant even call Federer rival because he is too old, cant we?
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Djokovic's main rival at slams is Nadal, who is a year older than him. then you have the other slam finalists he's played; Anderson is also a year older, Del Potro is a year and a half younger. In his most recent run of slam wins, he hasn't had any 'rival' who's been 5 or more years younger than him.

At the masters, he's played Federer - who is 6 years older than him - as well as some much younger rivals, such as Zverev. You'll find that the majority of Fed fans here viewed Djokovic's loss to Zverev at the WTF and Khachanov in Paris as a sign of his age and playing much younger rivals. If you want to believe that Novak is at his peak right now and that these guys who have beaten him are simply better than him, go right ahead.
 
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I have a scary thought for everyone:
Instead of posting in a spirit of one-upsmanship, post what you truly believe, and don't post as an advocate of a player or another poster.

If an argument is weak or indefensible, don't co-opt it.

One of the greatest things about all of The Big 3 players is their remakable longevity at, usually, the very top of the world rankings. Enjoy it, if you can. Most things balance out - except on TTW message boards.
 
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beard said:
Why they don't realize now, when Nadal and Novak are as good as Federer at the same age, that age is not that big deal anymore and that other things are more important.
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The obvious answer to your question is that Nadal/Djokovic don't have two ATGs on their tails like Federer had when facing their generation, so, in short the difference in competition strength at the top.

It also helps that one of them or the other is off of his potential best level for his current condition in the Majors (with the exception of Wim 2018) when they face off, so essentially when measured against the competition at the top they either face a rather weaker ATG of their own generation, or none at all, unlike Federer, who faced two younger ATGs in their almost always excellent condition, especially in the Majors.

The age has, is and will be very important as the Nadal and soon Djokovic fanbases will find out, even when the competition at the top is not that strong.

It is just a bit unlucky, that both Nadal and Djokovic are achieving things that Federer achieved at the same age (with the said caveat about the competition) and probably not receiving as much recognition as "oldies" as Federer did, but that has its logical explanation, which is two-fold: because of the relative lack of competition it is viewed as easier to achieve, and Federer has raised the bar so much with his winning at 35/36 years that now winning Majors at 31/32 looks slightly ordinary which in itself is crazy.

:cool:
 
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RaulRamirez said:
I have a scary thought for everyone:
Instead of posting in a spirit of one-upsmanship, post what you truly believe, and don't post as an advocate of a player or another poster.

If an argument is weak or indefensible, don't co-opt it.

One of the greatest things about all of The Big 3 players is their remakable longevity at, usually, the very top of the world rankings. Enjoy it, if you can. Most things balance out - except on TTW message boards.
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Wait wait wait. Are you trying to be rational? Get out of here.
 
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Tennis_Hands said:
The obvious answer to your question is that Nadal/Djokovic don't have two ATGs on their tails like Federer had when facing their generation, so, in short the difference in competition strength at the top.

It also helps that one of them or the other is off of his potential best level for his current condition in the Majors (with the exception of Wim 2018) when they face off, so essentially when measured against the competition at the top they either face a rather weaker ATG of their own generation, or none at all, unlike Federer, who faced two younger ATGs in their almost always excellent condition, especially in the Majors.

The age has, is and will be very important as the Nadal and soon Djokovic fanbases will find out, even when the competition at the top is not that strong.

It is just a bit unlucky, that both Nadal and Djokovic are achieving things that Federer achieved at the same age (with the said caveat about the competition) and probably not receiving as much recognition as "oldies" as Federer did, but that has its logical explanation, which is two-fold: because of the relative lack of competition it is viewed as easier to achieve, and Federer has raised the bar so much with his winning at 35/36 years that now winning Majors at 31/32 looks slightly ordinary which in itself is crazy.

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Dude Fed has been old since he turned 26-28. Even before that. Nadal and Djokovic fans doesnt need to find out anything, as they are still going strong. Age is just an excuse for someones shortcomings.
 
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I refuse to be such a coward.

As a Nole fan, I will never call him old till he is playing professional tennis...
If he is fit for the match, he is not old even if he is 40.

That player wo makes age excuse should sit at home and watch Television.
 
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RF-18 said:
Dude Fed has been old since he turned 26-28. Even before that. Nadal and Djokovic fans doesnt need to find out anything, as they are still going strong. Age is just an excuse for someones shortcomings.
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You do make a difference between saying that someone is "old" and someone is "out of his peak", don't you?

I have met the latter argument a lot, and it is true, and rarely have met the former. I don't know what you have been reading.

You second sentence is slightly jarring: right now there is a whole array of arguments about Nadal getting old, he is cutting severely his schedule, and retires from matches a lot, so he definitely feels it, and talks about Novak focusing on the Majors and all but neglecting the Masters are also heard, so that is also a fact.

Get on with the program.

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maratha_warrior said:
I refuse to be such a coward.

As a Nole fan, I will never call him old till he is playing professional tennis...
If he is fit for the match, he is not old even if he is 40.

That player wo makes age excuse should sit at home and watch Television.
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Being old is a fact of life for athletes and normal people alike.

Not recognising it is not recognising reality.

You are very weak at trying to insult.

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Tennis_Hands said:
Being old is a fact of life for athletes and normal people alike.

Not recognising it is not recognising reality.

You are very weak at trying to insult.

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I have no sympathy for any professional tennis player if he makes age excuse..
If he feels old he shud sit at home and watch tennis on TV, like the rest of us do watch.
It's not an insult, at all..
If djokovic or his fans give me age excuses I will call them weak and liars .
 
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maratha_warrior said:
I have no sympathy for any professional tennis player if he makes age excuse..
If he feels old he shud sit at home and watch tennis on TV, like the rest of us do watch.
It's not an insult, at all..
If djokovic or his fans give me age excuses I will call them weak and liars .
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You are doing it again.

There is a difference between talking about age, and using age to explain everything.

It is at best a delusion, but considering your previous history, and the context in which you bring in that comment I stick to my statement that it was an effort for an insult. Rather weak too.

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Federer is a wonderful "laboratory" of a player that has kept his health and strength, has retained his skill set, and has developed and evolved "nuance" through experience.
in addition to the inside out forehand winners of which he has used forever, it is fascinating to watch him construct the point and "read" the exact moment in which to charge in for that volley. And to hit an approach shot "right back at" the player, has been daring and revolutionary. For the past 10 years , everyone was saying that ( serve and ) volleying was dead because of the racquet technology and power baseliners, yet he has dispelled some of that.
Nole might get to use some of that "nuance" at some point, if his body holds out.
 
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