J011yroger
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I have seen some 5.0s that were not exactly at the apex of fitness too, and they werent even vilas or Newk when they were in their prime.
Because your statement is so absolutely absurd that it can not be possible.
I have a feeling that Drakulie would call my bluff if I said that I pounded a red bull sprouted wings, and flew off of the tennis court aswell.
If a man beats a top 10 WTA player, he is not a 5.0, if a 5.0 man beats a woman, she is not top 10 WTA.
J
My money would be on Allen Iverson over a 3.0. Maybe couldn't beat anyone higher though.
My money would be on Allen Iverson after at least month of playing tennis with some lessons. If he never picked up a raquet before he would lose to a 3.0. He would not be able to get a serve in and balls would be flying everywhere.
Because your statement is so absolutely absurd that it can not be possible.
I have a feeling that Drakulie would call my bluff if I said that I pounded a red bull sprouted wings, and flew off of the tennis court aswell.
If a man beats a top 10 WTA player, he is not a 5.0, if a 5.0 man beats a woman, she is not top 10 WTA.
J
That's what I meant. Didn't mean Allen Iverson after he's been playing for a while.My money would be on Allen Iverson after at least month of playing tennis with some lessons. If he never picked up a raquet before he would lose to a 3.0. He would not be able to get a serve in and balls would be flying everywhere.
This is true. Thanks for saying this for me during my absence.
But you're missing the single most important part of the NTRP ratings systems. They don't apply to world class players. McEnroe is still a world class player. So while the verbiage may fit some idea you have of McEnroe's abilities, reality is far from what you apply from the description.
It was a instructional article (How to beat a man or something like that) and She was using PSC6.1 if I remember correctly. And at the end of the article, there was it - Former No.1. She can still beat 95% of ~.
I was surprised at how hard she hit the ball.
.Bet she hasn't eaten a carb in 5 years(guess she was prepping for Greg Norman)
There you go. I've been waiting for somebody to post a story like this.I think it was in the spring of 2004 during the Doral my company had a meeting there in Miami and Chris put on a teaching clinic. Later in the day she played a club pro one set drawn from a hat. Big guy, about 6 foot 2 a serve and volley guy. Many of the club pro's felt he would kill her.
After the first few games, she caught on to his big serve and it was all over. Honestly he would rush the net and she would smoke passing shots by him. She won 6-3, he was worn out and she was just smiling. I don't think any of you would stand a chance. I was surprised at how hard she hit the ball. They were playing on HarTru courts.
Rabbit - the guidelines that he is referring to are, in fact, meant to apply to world class players. Have you seen chart in question? It's the one that gives the actual NTRP rating for currently ranked tour players (7.0 if ranked in the Top 400). This same chart gives a breakdown by age, and McEnroe, as a former 7.0, would indeed fall in the 5.5 category.
However, McEnroe is technically still a 7.0. This is because he had a Doubles ranking as high as 240 less than a year ago.
All rules have exceptions. Consider that anyone of the same age as McEnroe that was ever ranked in the Top 400 would fall into the "minimum 5.5" category, which is equivalent to unranked Division 1 college players. To me, considering the age factor, that's probably about right for many former pros Mac's age; I'm sure there are 50 year-old former pros whose rank peaked around 300 whose games have fallen to the 5.5 level. On the other hand, there are guys like Vilas who might own 5.5s. The 5.5 thing is a general minimum guideline. They can't self-rate below it, but this is not to say that one couldn't rate above it.
USTA said:1.5
You have limited experience and are working primarily on getting the ball in play.
2.0
You lack court experience and your strokes need developing. You are familiar with the basic positions for singles and doubles play.
2.5
You are learning to judge where the ball is going, although your court coverage is limited. You can sustain a short rally of slow pace with other players of the same ability.
3.0
You are fairly consistent when hitting medium-paced shots, but are not comfortable with all strokes and lack execution when trying for directional control, depth, or power. Your most common doubles formation is one-up, one-back.
3.5
You have achieved improved stroke dependability with directional control on moderate shots, but need to develop depth and variety. You exhibit more aggressive net play, have improved court coverage and are developing teamwork in doubles.
4.0
You have dependable strokes, including directional control and depth on both forehand and backhand sides on moderate-paced shots. You can use lobs, overheads, approach shots and volleys with some success and occasionally force errors when serving. Rallies may be lost due to impatience. Teamwork in doubles is evident.
4.5
You have developed your use of power and spin and can handle pace. You have sound footwork, can control depth of shots, and attempt to vary game plan according to your opponents. You can hit first serves with power and accuracy and place the second serve. You tend to overhit on difficult shots. Aggressive net play is common in doubles.
5.0
You have good shot anticipation and frequently have an outstanding shot or attribute around which a game may be structured. You can regularly hit winners or force errors off of short balls and can put away volleys. You can successfully execute lobs, drop shots, half volleys, overhead smashes, and have good depth and spin on most second serves.
5.5
You have mastered power and/or consistency as a major weapon. You can vary strategies and styles of play in a competitive situation and hit dependable shots in a stress situation.
6.0 to 7.0
You have had intensive training for national tournament competition at the junior and collegiate levels and have obtained a sectional and/or national ranking.
7.0
You are a world-class player.
PURPOSE
The primary goal of the program is to help all tennis players enjoy the game by providing a method of classifying skill levels for more compatible matches, group lessons, league play, tournaments and other programs.
USTA said:6.0 - 7.0
These players will generally not need NTRP ratings. Rankings or past rankings will speak for themselves.
The 6.0 player typically has had intensive training for national tournament competition at the junior level
and collegiate levels and has obtained a sectional and/or national ranking. The 6.5 player has a reasonable
chance of succeeding at the 7.0 level and has extensive satellite tournament experience. The 7.0 is a worldclass
player who is committed to tournament competition on the international level and whose major
source of income is tournament prize winnings.
I think it was in the spring of 2004 during the Doral my company had a meeting there in Miami and Chris put on a teaching clinic. Later in the day she played a club pro one set drawn from a hat. Big guy, about 6 foot 2 a serve and volley guy. Many of the club pro's felt he would kill her.
After the first few games, she caught on to his big serve and it was all over. Honestly he would rush the net and she would smoke passing shots by him. She won 6-3, he was worn out and she was just smiling. I don't think any of you would stand a chance. I was surprised at how hard she hit the ball. They were playing on HarTru courts.
the club pro was probably a 4.0-4.5...club pros have skillsets all over the place. the fact he was a club pro means pretty much zero.
I agree being a "club pro", such as what you claim to be doesn't mean anything. As I have said before and you always dismiss my claims, most certified "pros" aren't very good players.
i only tend to dismiss your ridiculous claims.....i agree with you that being a certified pro means almost nothing (that's what i posted earlier), so i've no clue wht you are bringing in the drama....any profession at which you can be certified to teach by spending only 2 days at a workshop, renders the certification non sequitor and extremely dilluted.. other than being able to say you are certified.
You guys both live in Florida, right? Could we arrange a grudge match between you guys? Who would win?
Glad to see you finally caught on to my "ridiculous claims", as this wasn't your stance a few months back when I said the same thing you are saying here.
Have you ever seen the ratings guides?
and finally from the USTA handbook on NTRP ratings
Professionals or Open players compete not based on NTRP level, but on pure competition. They do not need a handicapping system like the NTRP. I do not see anywhere in the ratings guides where being in the Top 400 is a qualification for being a 7.0 or world class player. There is 1000 times more difference between a world class player and a 5.0 than between a 5.0 and a 3.0.
The only reason for the NTRP is to guarantee competitive matches at level. Anyone with an NTRP rating would never, ever get a game off of a player who does this for a living.
Saying that McEnroe, who still competes/wins in world class professional level doubles is a 5.5 is laughable and indefensible.
patently untrue..another reason why i dont care to hang with you. you're just trying to stir up a bunch of crap <again>. excuse me if i dont wish to play. adios
You guys both live in Florida, right? Could we arrange a grudge match between you guys? Who would win?
If you recall, I didn't ever say Mac was a 5.5. I said that he's a current 7.0.
Rabbit - the guidelines that he is referring to are, in fact, meant to apply to world class players. Have you seen chart in question? It's the one that gives the actual NTRP rating for currently ranked tour players (7.0 if ranked in the Top 400). This same chart gives a breakdown by age, and McEnroe, as a former 7.0, would indeed fall in the 5.5 category.
However, McEnroe is technically still a 7.0. This is because he had a Doubles ranking as high as 240 less than a year ago.
I'm sorry, did you not post that bolded selection above? You qualify that statement afterward by saying "techincally still a 7.0" but the clear implication here is that McEnroe is a 5.5.
The one thing I learned that day is not to stay on the baseline against college level women....
Just to clarify: I am not saying that McEnroe is really a 5.5 player. I am not trying to imply that he is a 5.5 player. I agree that his competition level is much higher than this, and have indeed pointed out that he is a current 7.0 player.
Yes! Are you guys willing to play each other? Winner takes all.
Mojo wins, and Drakulie must switch from his PS85/k90 to a 9 ounce
oversize Volkl strung with isolightspeed/LAclippers.
Drakulie wins, and Mojo must switch to the 20 ounce leaded-up PS85
with kevlar at 90 lbs.
Ok, well here's another story for you. About five years ago one of the local teaching pros here who was about 50 was serving as a volunteer coach for the University of Texas and he invited a group of us to scrimmage against the women. I had a 5.0 computer rating at the time. I played the #2 player and she killed me 61,61. But that's not the point of the story, the teaching pro/coach was easily a 5.5, ranked #2 in Texas in the 50's he was not some 4.0/4.5 teaching pro. He went three sets with the #1 player and barely won. I can guarantee that Evert is a lot better than the woman he played that day. The one thing I learned that day is not to stay on the baseline against college level women....
Ehe he he :grin:
Anyway, thank you all for the comments~.
Hmm, I am not sure whether it was her saying or editor's though (beating 95% of males on the planet).
i think chris evert TODAY would kill most 5.0's i know.
i think allen iverson (how did he get in here?) or stephen marbury would be very competitive with 4.0's with a month's hard training (from beginnner status).... i've seen high school point guards around here pick up the game very, very fast..... my ratings are basically club ratings (a little inflated), not your city-wide sand-bagging 4.0 tournament.
How about Joachim Noah? 7 ft self-rated 3.5 player.
I would chop Newk. The guy can barely walk, he has either already had or is due for a knee reco. Now if he got to the ball i would be in trouble, but i dont think he would get to it. Hell I could beat Federer if someone kneecapped him first, but I think you are comparing apples and oranges.
BTW being an Aussie I have no idea what a '5' is.
I think I could actually out-rally Chris Evert. My fitness>hers
...but her experience / match toughness / groundstrokes / serves / volleys /
overheads / anticipation+footwork (=court coverage) / hand-eye coordination /
touch / placement / strategy >>>> yours
No you could not beat Chris Evert today. Come back and try again when she is 80.
How about Joachim Noah? 7 ft self-rated 3.5 player.
Chris Evert, in her prime, could not beat her brother a college level player.
No you could not beat Chris Evert today. Come back and try again when she is 80.