You can't expect anyone to take you seriously. I'm assuming you don't. Have your fun and disappear as soon as possible. Thanks.
Federer has been declining(according to TTW) since March 2007.
Declining all the way from 10 to 20 slams.
Any decent Djokovic or Nadal fan would disagree with you too. Enjoy your short life on TTW. Btw, tell 125 I said hello.That's what they said to Galileo, too.
You're a fool. So are all the other delusional Federer penis lickers. What you are doing is the equivalent to a 5-year-old plugging his ears and going, "I can't hear you!"
What a fanciful cherry-picking of periods to make a point.
Naturally, the point looks a bit too fancy for the knowledgeable observer.
That's what they said to Galileo, too.
You're a fool. So are all the other delusional Federer penis lickers. What you are doing is the equivalent to a 5-year-old plugging his ears and going, "I can't hear you!"
There's no argument to begin with. He's wrong and end of story.@True Fanerer @BeatlesFan @Tennis_Hands hey fellas, why are you arguing against someone like Dallas or noletheking or other trollers who are so desperate to insult you and federer??
They are not going to understand a single point of yours, or make a valid judgemental argument..
Keeping silence is the best medicine for these trollers....
Arguing with them using rational points is like "भैंस के आगे बीन बजाना" in my language, which means "playing music in front of a mud Buffelo"...
My advice to you will be to ignore argument with these people...
Actually ELO agrees with me, Federer has been declining since March 2007.
@True Fanerer @BeatlesFan @Tennis_Hands hey fellas, why are you arguing against someone like Dallas or noletheking or other trollers who are so desperate to insult you and federer??
They are not going to understand a single point of yours, or make a valid judgemental argument..
Keeping silence is the best medicine for these trollers....
Arguing with them using rational points is like "भैंस के आगे बीन बजाना" in my language, which means "playing music in front of a mud Buffelo"...
My advice to you will be to ignore argument with these people...
When we talk about speed, what exactly do you mean ? Speed to get to the ball ? If that is the case, I don't think Federer rely so much on catching the uncathable and unthinkable, I don't remember when anyone called him greatest baseline defender of all times. Federer is good enough for trophy if he is fit. And although I don't think he is in his prime, I do think he can compensate lot of things by his experience and adjusting his game/tactic.I'm talking about Federer apparently peaking in his mid 30s and being so, so unlucky to run into Djokovic... how was he at the peak of his powers at the time?
He was coming back from injury and had an obvious decline in speed. Speed is virtually everything in tennis. How's it possible he is at the peak of his powers?!?! Not to mention he has a lot of mileage. Does mileage not matter anymore? Does that mean Murray's at his peak too? Is everyone constantly at their best today?
Really confusing argument all around. Would love to have it explained.
Those who still insist 2015 Fed was better than ever and was just unlucky to run into Djokovic, please look back in 2011 when Fed defeated a peak Djokovic in a slam and almost did it a second time. And 2011 was also Djokovic's peak, so this is the best barometer.
@True Fanerer @BeatlesFan @Tennis_Hands hey fellas, why are you arguing against someone like Dallas or noletheking or other trollers who are so desperate to insult you and federer??
They are not going to understand a single point of yours, or make a valid judgemental argument..
Keeping silence is the best medicine for these trollers....
Arguing with them using rational points is like "भैंस के आगे बीन बजाना" in my language, which means "playing music in front of a mud Buffelo"...
My advice to you will be to ignore argument with these people...
I disagree with your way of communication, but I agree with a substance of your posts.
Nobody is understanding a single point of mine. Nobody is addressing the clear fact that Federer rarely hit a FH winner that wasn't a first ball off a serve, rendering this "devastating forehand" a myth.
Unfortunately so many posters have been bruised by the weak era arguments that they have argued themselves into an intellectual cul-de-sac.
For me as a Federer fan foremost it says so much about him that he never gave up, was prepared to make drastic changes, and do whatever he could to stay at the top of the game.
Clearly the bigger racket head has made his ground strokes more consistent which more than makes up for a fractional loss of movement
Instead we have deep thinkers like Mike Danny, who proclaim without giving the issue any thought that you cant play Peak Tennis in your 30’s. Has this guy done a PHD in athletic training. Is he really Pierre Paganini having a laugh after Roger whacks him with all his stray balls in training!?
I think you should be a bit more reasonable about how you discuss all this.
Clearly serve allowed for the put away, but his forehand was and still is a great rally shot.
What is a myth is that the Federer forehand was able to hit winners at will from any part in the court up until 2007 and then mysteriously declined ever since.
The game just evolved, man. /sThen explain why Kobe Bryant averaged 27 points per game at age 26 in the 2004/2005 season and only 17 points per game in the 2015/2016 season at age 37.
Explain why Michael Jordan averaged 33 points per game at age 26 in 1989/1990 and only 22 points per game at age 39 in 2001/2002.
And when anticipation remains fairly constant, what of the speed, then?In tennis, anticipation is more important (or as important as) than the speed.
I think Federer is slightly better on both the backhand and forehand than he was in 05-07.
And when anticipation remains fairly constant, what of the speed, then?
Which is fine. I can, and will.Anticipation usually (usually is important word) improves with experience. You should try to measure Federer's speed during different periods to see if there is any decline. Overall, I can't contradict Federer himself that his peak play is 2015 (or 2015-onward).
Which is fine. I can, and will.
There's no argument to begin with. He's wrong and end of story.
It's called casting pearls before swine in English and many other European languages, as it is a biblical methaphor.
Never heard that before...strength and endurance, which peak in 30s
Never heard that before...
Is it obtained from the "Lew Book of mythological biology" ???
I still don't understand how???You are incorrect.Endurance improves throughout the mid 30ies.
I disagree with your way of communication, but I agree with a substance of your posts.
I think this Dallas "new user" has been a real eye-opener in some aspects. He is the exact profile of your crowd here, which puts the value of your posts in perspective
Based on...?Nope. Djokovic was clearly better in 2015 than in 2011.
The "new user" is on ignore, so no worries about responding again. Life's too short to be bored.@True Fanerer @BeatlesFan @Tennis_Hands hey fellas, why are you arguing against someone like Dallas or noletheking or other trollers who are so desperate to insult you and federer??
They are not going to understand a single point of yours, or make a valid judgemental argument..
Keeping silence is the best medicine for these trollers....
Arguing with them using rational points is like "भैंस के आगे बीन बजाना" in my language, which means "playing music in front of a mud Buffelo"...
My advice to you will be to ignore argument with these people...
Yes, I reported him as an obvious duplicate account and obvious who it is.Did they already ban him?
Surface homogenization? (kidding)Kobe and Jordan are not advanced with regard to a particular era. They are advanced with regard to humanity as a whole. They would be NBA stars in any era.
The reason why Kobe and Jordan had much worse stats in their late 30s than in their mid 20s is simply that they declined due to age.
Also, explain why Usain Bolt ran slower in the Olympics 2016 (age 30) than in the Olympics 2008 and 2012 (age 22-26).
Who is the suspect???Yes, I reported him as an obvious duplicate account and obvious who it is.
Exactly this! Perhaps these simpletons would like to explain why Usain Bolt retired at age 30? I thought 2015-19 with it's advanced nutrition and sports science (compared to 2005-09 lol) athletes are peaking in their mid 30's, so Bolt should have had another 5 years of improving and perhaps run a sub 9sec at age 35 or 37, no?People who believe he played better than ever in his 30's are just simpletons. Plain and simple. No need to debate with those.
Should not even be taken seriously. And I don't think anyone does. That kinda crazy nonsense idea need not be dignified by a response and anyways no one believes in it in the real world (outside of internet fora).Those who still insist 2015 Fed was better than ever...
Should not even be taken seriously. And I don't think anyone does. That kinda crazy nonsense idea need not be dignified by a response and anyways no one believes in it in the real world (outside of internet fora).
Almost all athletes peak when they are younger -- only a minority peak when they are older.
As for the ones who did stay on top both during their youth and old age, their peak would almost always be the part when they were young (even while they improve in a certain area of skill).
Logic alone dictates that an athlete is most likely to be at his performance peak when his body is at its peak. The mental side is relatively more stable from the point of view of it being less rapid in it's deterioration as a result of old age and wear and tear.
I'd like to weigh in, but I don't intend this as a component part of a GOAT debate.“I think I'm a better player now than when I was at 24 because I've practiced for another 10 years and I've got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “I might not have the confidence I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it's ever been, I volley better than I have in the past.” “I think I've had to adapt to a new generation of players again.” (August 2015).
This is a very underrated point imo. Confidence is the most important factor why Big3 all have their years or periods of domination. Of course Roger still could hit a great serve and a great FH in 2015, but you wont win slams if you cant convert BPs, set points and match points. As Becker once said, "the last set isnt about tennis, its about nerves". Federer has also said that it is extremely hard mentally to stay on top for a long time, thats why no player can do it.Mentality counts too. Look at prime Federer. Granted, he was still bad on the BPs, but he had a go-for-broke attitude that faded as the years stacked up. Fed was literally losing confidence against Nadal and Djokovic (mostly Djokovic). The mindset IMO might be just as important. In the 2000s, Fed really believed he could do it. In the 2010s, he was clearly in doubt.
In the same interview he also said his confidence wasnt the same as earlier, and this is what winning multiple slams is about. No player has been able to stay on top all the time, even not you God Djokovic. After 2011 came 2012-2014, and after 2014USO-2016FO he also had a slump. You cant expect players to win mutiple slams for 10-15 years in a row.“I think I'm a better player now than when I was at 24 because I've practiced for another 10 years and I've got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “I might not have the confidence I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it's ever been, I volley better than I have in the past.” “I think I've had to adapt to a new generation of players again.” (August 2015).
even not you God Djokovic.
Didnt you read my post? In the same interview he also talks about confidence. He says he still can hit a top serve and a top FH, but to win slams you need to convert set points and match points, thats a confidence thing.I don't have any Gods, we are talking about tennis players here. How anyone can question self-assessment of a player is beyond me. For me, when I heard that statement it was the end of the story. I can't argue with Federer about his game.
Didnt you read my post? In the same interview he also talks about confidence. He says he still can hit a top serve and a top FH, but to win slams you need to convert set points and match points, thats a confidence thing.
Lol yes, the confidence part is irrelevant.“I think I'm a better player now than when I was at 24 ..."