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My heart tells me Djokovic but my brain tells me Thiem.
Thiem in 3.
Thiem in 3.
2019 ATP Madrid SF: Djokovic [1] vs Thiem [5]
- Thread starter Im(moral) Winner
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Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
I never thought you’d say something positive about a Thiem !
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Thiem’s best hope—Pepe decides to make a magical appearance at the Caja Mágica
Djokovic in 2 tight sets i fear. I really hope I’m wrong
Djokovic in 2 tight sets i fear. I really hope I’m wrong
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Not on clay though, where Djokovic is the underdog against the favorite Nadal.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
I'm gonna say Djoker in 2. I think Thiem is going to be physically and mentally exhausted from the Fed match, and if Djoker can beat Rafa at RG he can beat Thiem here. Thiem isn't going to show Novak anything new.
Now this could all go up in smoke if Djoker comes out with Pepe's fairy dust on him and looks listless, weak, etc. That will become obvious fairly quickly.
Now this could all go up in smoke if Djoker comes out with Pepe's fairy dust on him and looks listless, weak, etc. That will become obvious fairly quickly.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
I think Thiems time is here, the POC is ready to become the KOC
I try to go based on results...I haven't yet seen that Thiem has the answer to Djoker or Rafa on clay, provided they are playing well.
I dont expect another Rafa , he has won 11 FOs after all, but one FO has to be the last. At one point he will decline
. I also think Thiem has the game to challenge Djoker at this point.ANDYbhGENIUS
Professional
Peak Nadal has died, peak Djokovic is on the verge of, so another player on the rise will be needed to beat Novak in Paris. Nadal's worst nightmare is meeting Djokovic in the Paris final. That would be PUNISHMENT DAY.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
S&v, sabr, slice
Zebrev
Hall of Fame
Its strange that Djokovic has been a non entity since January, but I expect a big match like this is the perfect venue for his form to return. Domi must be a bit drained if not physically then emotionally, whereas Novak is rested and hungry. I think we're in for a djoko-nadal final folks.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
This.
I generally never understood where this confidence of Djokovic fans comes from. Why do they believe Djokovic can beat Nadal at RG when he has never done it against a decent Rafa?
Other than 2013, all their FO matches have been similar to Fedal's.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
And this guy is supposed to be the future RG champion?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I wouldn't use the bolded part as reference.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
We all know Djoker hasn't and will never play this way.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I really don't get this sort of confidence. Djoker hasn't shown he can best Nadal at RG.
Feather
Legend
Whose your fourth favourite at RG? If Roger Federer is playing French Open
ANDYbhGENIUS
Professional
He has, and added to that the times are different now. Past meetings are in quite a few cases are not indicative of future meetings among aging ATGs.
Nadal_Django
Legend
Maybe because the guy actually did beat Nadal at the French, and was one Net trapping away from doing it twice. I mean imagine Fedr had played something similar against Nadal like 2013 FO. We would never heard the end of it from you the Fedr fanbois.
Like we are hearing about the 2006 Rome anyway.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
When? Please enlighten me.
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Deleted member 77403
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Lets wait until after Rome for me to answer that for you. I don't want to say Federer just yet since Madrid conditions are not like those in Paris.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Lol, Nadal was in his absolute worst form in 2015. It is honestly a joke to write about this win as a reason to why Djokovic is better than Federer. All Djokovic had to do to win this match was to show up. This one was absolutely NID.Maybe because the guy actually did beat Nadal at the French, and was one Net trapping away from doing it twice. I mean imagine Fedr had played something similar against Nadal like 2013 FO. We would never heard the end of it from you the Fedr fanbois.
Like we are hearing about the 2006 Rome anyway.
ANDYbhGENIUS
Professional
google it - straight sets
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Worst version of Nadal. Not impressed.
MajesticTennisManiac
Rookie
Sosuke Aizen
Rookie
A win is a win. You cant erase the past and pretend it didnt happen.
yokied
Hall of Fame
It comes down to how much Noel wants the match. If I was Noel, I wouldn't trust Tim to take out Ned, anywhere, but particularly not at RG. So throwing this match so Tim has another chance to pick up a meaningless title against Ned makes no sense. What makes sense is to show Ned and Tim who is boss right here to soften them up a bit for RG.
Nadal_Django
Legend
Well, seems that this dude conveniently has erased that match from his memory.
But ask him about the 2006 Rome, and he probably remembers the colour of Mirka's shirt that day. Lol
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Not all wins are created equal.
Federer sinply wasn't as fortunate to face such a horrible Nadal.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Would you like it if I start talking about Thiem destroying Djokovic 7-6 6-3 6-0 in RG and say it is a proof that Thiem at his peak is better than Djokovic on clay?
Djokovic's so called "win" over Nadal in RG 2015 is worth nothing. All he had to do was to show up, the match was NID.
robthai
Hall of Fame
That match win over Nadal means nothing since he lost the finals to Wawrinka. Its just a nice moment but not a significant achievement.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, Soderling also lost the final of RG 2009 but I would say his win over Nadal meant something because he actually beat a pretty good Nadal in RG. (and to this day he remains the only player who did that)
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Except no one said Peak Djokovic is better than Peak Rafa on clay cause he beat him in 2015. Get your head in the game.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
For the past 15 years at RG, that Djokovic win was Nadals 2nd loss only. So deal with it. Why do you have to hate all the time and make excuses cause Federer was god awful against Nadal?
ANDYbhGENIUS
Professional
Who cares... it was a legit match, impressing armchair wingnuts is not the issue, so whine on about "versions of Nadal", which is pathetic anyway, but discarding that match is part of the record in Paris because Nada wasn't in tip top form is outright delusional.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer won 4 sets against Nadal in 5 meetings in RG. Djokovic won 4 sets in the first 6 meetings. Nobody except trolls takes 2015 seriously because this was the worst Nadal ever. This is honestly a joke to bring this match as a reason to why Djokovic is better than Federer. So I wouldn't say Djokovic did much better than Federer. The only argument he has is that RG 2013 semifinal which he still lost.
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Deleted member 77403
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IMO, he doesn't need to. I seriously think had he beat Thiem by winning one of those MPs, and was playing Djokovic today, then for sure he wouldn't be going to Rome. Unless he feels himself he is a legit contender for RG, I wouldn't go. He needs to pace himself. Get to Paris early, get some practice sets in and play with house money. Things are actually falling into place with Thiem getting top four ranking, it means Federer can have a quarter that is free of the top three contenders for RG, and after feeling he can go toe to toe with Thiem, he will like his chances a bit more to go deep in Paris.
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Deleted member 77403
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Right, and bringing up early 2006-2007 Djokovic is OK though to get those numbers you put up.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic pushed Nadal to 5, 9-7 in the 5th, and also won a match in straights. Federer won 0 and never pushed him really. Was just a Day at the office for Nadal.
Pretty obvious who did better hahaa
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Saying Djokovic has a chance to beat Nadal at the FO based on that match is ludicrous.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Ok, let's remove 2006 then. In 2007 Djokovic wasn't in his prime yet but he still played much better than Nadal in 2015. But even if you want to remove it as well it doesn't change much.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well it wasn't Federer's fault Nadal was never so horrible for him to take advantage.
Djoker hasn't done any better against Nadal at RG than Fed other than 2013 when Nadal choked when serving for the match.
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Deleted member 77403
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I am just saying, you need to be consistent when you throw numbers around. If you want to take away 2015, then you better look at those early matches, where Djokovic was the shell of what he was going to become.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Keep talking about that 2015 match if that makes you feel better. Nobody will take you seriously. 2013 was close, but Nadal still won in the end. Federer pushed the best versions of Nadal on clay as well. (Rome 2006 for example)
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokovic was fortunate that Nadal choked when serving for the match in 2013. Other than that it was business as usual when Nadal played Djokovic at RG.
Only Djoko trolls use 2015 as any sort of proof of Djoko's superiority.
Djokovic pushes Nadal once and all of a sudden he is the king of the planet LOL.
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