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Hurray !!!
This is gonna make some people salty I'm sure
I don't get why people hate the Laver Cup. Is it just because Fed organises it?
yesThis is gonna make some people salty I'm sure
I don't get why people hate the Laver Cup. Is it just because Fed organises it?
This is pretty big. This change means Isner now officially has a win over Nadal. Rafa previously held a 7-0 H2H against Isner.
Another big inclusion for this is that Anderson would now have 2 wins over Djokovic instead of 1.
Strangely though, it appears the 2017 results have been included on the ATP websites H2H but not the 2018 results. Fed's win over Kyrgios in 2017 is on the H2H but his 2018 win isn't on there. Weird.
It's the format. The third set ruins everything.The tournament is played with all seriousness. Why should it not be included ? Is the opposition because it is with retrospective effect or is it because Fed has ownership of LC ?
Hurray !!!
It's the format. The third set ruins everything.
I'd be okay with it if players knew ahead of time that the matches are serious.So, if we have a full 3rd set - we are ok to include the stats .
Should the Hopman Cup be included? That has the proper setting and i'm sure the players are there to win it as well and not just a one set exhibition. Does that mean Tomic has a win over #1 Djokovic then?The tournament is played with all seriousness. Why should it not be included ? Is the opposition because it is with retrospective effect or is it because Fed has ownership of LC ?
I'd be okay with it if players knew ahead of time that the matches are serious.
Should the Hopman Cup be included? That has the proper setting and i'm sure the players are there to win it as well and not just a one set exhibition. Does that mean Tomic has a win over #1 Djokovic then?
It shouldn't have been, especially the ones already played. The players didn't know it would be counted as an official match a the time. It was just an exhibition then. They should count it from this year's edition when it is recognised as part of the ATP tour. That's fair to everyone.
The OP knows this but wouldn't agree only because Roger took it highly seriously and got 2-3 Wins.
I hope the ATP will take this back, at least the results of the last two editions that were played just as exhos. All it would take is a Djokovic to complain and they will reverse the decision, I'm sure.
I think 2 - 4 are enough to keep past matches out of the official h2h. I'd be all for including future events as long as players knew it would go towards their official h2h. A full 3rd set would just be a preference if players actually knew the matches counted towards h2h. This is just my personal view.Which singles match played till now was not serious ?
So far the potential reasons listed in the thread :
1. Because it has Fed's involvement
2. No full 3rd set
3. Players may not know ahead of time it is serious
4. The change is with retrospective effect.
I think 2 - 4 are enough to keep past matches out of the official h2h. I'd be all for including future events as long as players knew it would go towards their official h2h. A full 3rd set would just be a preference if players actually knew the matches counted towards h2h. This is just my personal view.
I agree the retrospective decision may not be considered fair . But those folks who say Laver Cup should not be included in stats , no matter what - are just jealous of the success of the tournament.
Why should the ATP not include future stats ?
I think a simple answer would be that this tournament clearly and blatantly is run by a player rather than officials. Forget the who. Any player who is actively participating in the tournament should not be spearheading the organisation of the event. It's a clear conflict of interests. We are already talking about increasing clout of the big three in draws and organisation of tournaments exclusively handled by ATP or slam officials.I agree the retrospective decision may not be considered fair . But those folks who say Laver Cup should not be included in stats , no matter what - are just jealous of the success of the tournament.
Why should the ATP not include future stats ?
I think a simple answer would be that this tournament clearly and blatantly is run by a player rather than officials. Forget the who. Any player who is actively participating in the tournament should not be spearheading the organisation of the event. It's a clear conflict of interests. We are already talking about increasing clout of the big three in draws and organisation of tournaments exclusively handled by ATP or slam officials.
If it is not going to add points to a player, the format does not matter and here I mean the match format. The tournament format is silly to begin with. Players from countries other than Europe are on one half of the draw. How is this a good idea? Fed will never face Rafa in this format. Rafa will never face Djokovic. That means number 1 Vs number 2 is not going to happen if they are from Europe. This is unfair.Is your problem just the conflict of interest or something more (format) ?
Terrible idea, you cant have atp points on invitationals, thats why the olympics cannot give pts.
Its an unfair advantage to the rest of the tour.
Nadal fans on Reddit were salty as hell about the Isner h2h
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. They don't even play a third set so how can it count in the head to head? Now I really see why Kermode was ousted.
Huh? How does Kermode have anything to do with this?
Agree. This is silly. Isner has long been listed as 0-7 in his career vs Rafa, but now he wakes up and is 1-7? Either a match counts on your ATP record when it happens, or it should never count. Retroactive counting is BS.I am ambivalent towards the change going forward, but it definitely shouldn't have been retroactive
Put two and two together. They obviously knew things we didn't.
This was not in the works over 6 months ago, and if so, Djoker and his boys would have stopped it if they had problem with it.