BeatlesFan
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The people claiming this are either being facetious or are indeed.... blind as a bat. Raonic and FAA have zero in common game-wise.
The Ascent To The Throne Begins For Felix Auger Aliassime
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The people claiming this are either being facetious or are indeed.... blind as a bat. Raonic and FAA have zero in common game-wise.
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
Hmm, now we've become a forum of insults. I honestly thought it was a nice place to discuss tennis. Not so much anymore.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Felix has now made it big. in the final. but why hasn't just as talented Elias Ymer made it yet ?? I don't get it.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Only saw the last set against Berrettini. Felix needs a lot more time on grass, his movement isn't instinctive or particularly adept (yet) on the surface. I'm disappointed he lost another final, but the experience can only help him going forward. Felix also became the youngest player to reach at least the semis across three or more surfaces since Hewitt in 1999.
It's just his first professional tournament on grass and he made the final, well done!
It's just his first professional tournament on grass and he made the final, well done!
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
Who insulted who?
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
I usually don’t buy into the ‘one bad call’ chants when a match is lost, but that one call Berritini shanks on FAA’s deep ball cost him that set at least. VERY unfortunate. To say FAA handled that BS well is an understatement. Was some solid play all tournament for him and he is right on that edge of grabbing titles.
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BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
It would be pretty difficult for someone to come up with a worse comparison than FAA and Raonic.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
estigma2001
Hall of Fame
that was close Felix should won the second set, let see what's next for him
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
Not bad luck for Felix. Berretini played better than he did. His experienced showed today. There will be other finals for Felix, but if I want to compare him to another player, that's my right to do so. People have the right to disagree. What I object to is when people feel a need to insult someone's opinion. I don't get that.
D-Lite
Hall of Fame
Agreed - Berrettini now has 3 titles and arguably was done dirty by having to play his semi the same day as his final vs Garin in Munich on the clay earlier this year.
FAA has been tipped by so many to make the big time fairly soon given how talented his is at 18, so naturally he has a lot of fans already urging him on to win titles, but simply Berrettini has been the hot player this tournament but all the fuss has been around FAA, leaving Berrettini to move along smoothly and get the job done.
You have the right to compare two players, but you are on a tennis forum comparing Felix to Raonic. If you didn’t get insulted, this forum would really suck.
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
In the rush
That doesn't sound like a very mature response. What you're suggesting is that if someone doesn't like my opinion, then insulting me is the proper response. I was raised to believe otherwise. Argue. Debate. Present the facts. But, NEVER use insults.
Ok then, present the facts, argue, debate. Felix is Raonic - convince me and all the guys here this is a valid opinion. And you might as well do Isner = Schwartzman, and Santoro = Khachanov while you are at it.
You deserved it, no doubt about it.
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
Deserve what? Insults? If that is the decorum here, then it's not for me. Carry on.
Beacon Hill
Hall of Fame
How about just start with Felix = Milos?
Cupcake
Hall of Fame
It actually can be nice here. Start using your 'ignore' list. If someone is regularly insulting, click on their avatar and put them on 'ignore'. I'm ignoring about 30 posters now, and the place is so much more pleasant. Sure, there can be gaps in thread continuity, but that;'s a small price to pay for having to endure the tunnel-vision fan-boys/girls who can only spew negativity.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Well, FAA has to start serving much better to be compare to Roanic in terms of results, and I see no time in which Milos's return game looked as good as young FAA's.
I certainly don't see much similarity either in look or results.
On another note, I tried to find someone else who lost 3 finals in the first year of relative success without also winning a final. Haven't found one example yet. Certainly getting three finals is very encouraging, but losing all of them is not, and it could become a pattern.
To me Berrettini is much more impressive because he seems to be doing more with less. He's basically around 51% of points this year - that may go up after last week - but he has a weird looking serve, unorthodox looking strokes and doesn't look like the kind of guy who is going to win a lot. So far his results defy what perhaps most of us see, so he has come kind of clutch factor most of the young players lack.
That's what FAA seems to lack so far, clutch play in finals. I hope he outgrows this soon. I like his game.
I certainly don't see much similarity either in look or results.
On another note, I tried to find someone else who lost 3 finals in the first year of relative success without also winning a final. Haven't found one example yet. Certainly getting three finals is very encouraging, but losing all of them is not, and it could become a pattern.
To me Berrettini is much more impressive because he seems to be doing more with less. He's basically around 51% of points this year - that may go up after last week - but he has a weird looking serve, unorthodox looking strokes and doesn't look like the kind of guy who is going to win a lot. So far his results defy what perhaps most of us see, so he has come kind of clutch factor most of the young players lack.
That's what FAA seems to lack so far, clutch play in finals. I hope he outgrows this soon. I like his game.
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prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
Only caught the tiebreaker which was exciting, but Felix had plenty of chances which somehow went by the wayside. I am certain he'll be in more finals, and hopefully one will take. But, as for me, I still find Denis' game far more exciting, even if he isn't winning a lot in singles right now. I believe that will turn around.
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
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InvisibleSoul
Hall of Fame
I can agree with you on this point. Denis' game is definitely more exciting, and he will have way more highlight reel shots than Felix.
Denis' peak is higher than Felix peak, but average Felix is much better than average Denis.
I'm a fan of them both, so no bias here.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
can Felix win Wimbledon ?
If anyone should know it's Nostradamus.
gogo
Legend
I disagree. Felix was incredibly clutch in this match. Did you watch it?
Berrettini was playing lights out and Felix never gave up.
Right after Felix was robbed of set point (his winning serve called out, and then called back), what was his response? He kept serving aces. Very mature. Very focused.
To have someone play like this, against another who was playing lights out, was great. That's not a loser. That's encouraging for someone at such a young age.
EllieK
Hall of Fame
Highlight reel shots are not necessarily match winners. Ask Kyrgios. Denis might have more of those but I think Felix is a steadier player who can ultimately go deeper in tournaments. He was able to pull out clutch serving today which was impressive for someone his age. Berrettini was only marginally better on the day. I still think he would have won in a third set but the second set tiebreaker showed just how well Felix could hold up under pressure.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
@Gary Duane Lendl lost his first three finals: in 1979 to Taroczy in Brussels, in 1980 in Kitzbuehl to Vilas and Washington to Amaya.
Edit: EloQuent corrected this, Lendl lost his first two finals, not three.
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bertrevert
Legend
Don't know if I imagining but if you look at FAA of a few years ago, at least what I could find on YT, and I really notice his serving has gone up a notch or two (or three!). Either changed action, more confidence, or clutch in more pro matches but he seems to have really ramped up that part of his game. Coach doing a good job...???
gogo
Legend
Yup. If only Felix hadn't made his way to 3 finals at such a young age....then people couldn't criticize him for losing them. How many 18yo had made it to 3 finals? Instead of looking at that as a negative, why not look at it as a positive?
There is only one other teen in the top 100 (Kecmanovic...19.7 years old) and yet people are criticizing Felix for not being better, even though he is ranked 21. Perhaps expectations should be adjusted.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
FAA is not clutch yet.
he struggles, relatively speaking, being put in a situation where he has to think or contemplate. he also clearly has pretty high anxiety on the court.
he still has overachieved imo for his age, regardless of the hype surrounding him for so long.
EloQuent
Legend
Interesting. And with Lendl it was actually an accurate view of his career. He still has the most slam final losses, right?
EloQuent
Legend
@BeatlesFan According to UTS he won a title in Houston before that Kitzbuehl loss
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=656&tab=events&result=W
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=656&tab=events&result=W
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Thanks for the correction, I'll edit my post.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
8-11 in slam finals. Rosewall lost 8 major finals, I think those 2 have the most losses in major finals.
gogo
Legend
I agree, he is not regularly clutch yet. But I dare anyone to name another player who has played so well at 18, and yet people criticize him for not playing well enough.
I was actually VERY concerned about FAA's mental strength a year ago. He was incredibly inconsistent and caved very easily. And now I see the progress that he's made and I am very impressed.
Will it continue? I don't know. But I will give him credit for what he's accomplished.
EloQuent
Legend
You're forgetting Federer.... 20/30 is still a respectable ratio but as far as stats goes that's 10 losses, just behind Lendl's 11.
Djokovic has 9. Nadal and Murray 8 each. Murray probably has the worst ratio, but it's because of the competition.
Pmasterfunk
Hall of Fame
I am thanking my ignore list these days.
A bit surprised Berrettini won, though he was quite solid the whole match. FAA understandably needs more time to get his movement down on grass, but he's played some solid tennis this week. His match against Brown was very entertaining.
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
Berrettini surprised me. Saw him as a clay court player but clearly I was wrong. He’s good
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Interesting. Meanwhile, I looked at some of my own data files where I can look carefully at lists of only finals, and others have not done well in their first years, so FAA still has time, it seems. I'm glad to know this.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
I was mentioning guys who had losing records in slam finals. Rosewall is 8-8, thus tied, Lendl has a losing record.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Yes, I did. For sure Berrettini was serving very well, but the fact remains that FAA could not break in the 1st set and once he got broken, that was it for that set. Then he had the match in the TB and could not hold on to the mini-break.
So in the end what I saw was not clutch.
I agree there, but those things happen in matches. If every time a player has a bad break like that he then goes on to lose the set and the match, he's going to win a lot of matches.
I don't think I said he's a loser. That's TW talk that goes with being Finnish, a weak era mug and so on. The moment FAA wins a title I'll be relieved, and I'm already a fan.
That said, until he gets that first title he remains only a very promising young player without a title.
To have someone play like this, against another who was playing lights out, was great. That's not a loser. That's encouraging for someone at such a young age.[/QUOTE]
gogo
Legend
[/QUOTE]
But to have someone play so well, even it he didn't win, is not a shame. It also doesn't mean he won't win in the future.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
To underscore, for Lendl I have a loss in 79 then one in 80, so in two different years, but then a win in Houstin against Dibbs. So in 79-80 3/4 losses but then I have 6 wins in a row. So here's hoping the same thing is about to happen for FAA.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I think to some extent you keep putting words into my mouth. I never said "a shame", and I don't believe I've said one ugly thing about this young guy. I think he has great composure and he's incredibly mature.
I just don't assume anything will happen before it does, and I was thinking that things were going his way this week with Raonic pulling out, and I frankly did not expect to see Berrettini look so strong on grass.
Like many other people here I'm hoping that someone young will break the stranglehold of older players, and a start would be winning any even on tour. I thought that was going to be FAA today.
That's all.
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gogo
Legend
I think to some extent you keep putting words into my mouth. I never said "a shame", and I don't believe I've said one ugly thing about this young guy. I think he has great composure and he's incredibly mature.
I just don't assume anything will happen before it does, and I was thinking that things were going his way this week with Raonic pulling out, and I frankly did not expect to see Berrettini look so strong on grass.
Like many other people here I'm hoping that someone young will break the stranglehold of older players, and a start would be winning any even on tour. I thought that was going to be FAA today.
That's all.[/QUOTE]
Cool. No doubt I misinterpreted your comments.
We are lucky to watch all of these talented players.
I just get discouraged when people whine that there is no one coming along, and then when someone does, they slam them and look for something to criticize.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I don't think I do that. For one thing I work with young people almost every day, and I never say things to crush their spirits. I won't do that in writing about young stars either. I think it's the kind of thing little people do to tear down big people. I like everything about this kid.
That's why I want him to win.
No top 10 player (actually no player) deserves to be ridiculed, and I think the people who do it would be extremely humiliated to have to face the players in person that they slam every day here.
I've even stuck up for guys like Kyrgios. I think he has a good heart, and if he does not want to totally commit to winning tennis matches, that's none of my business. You can also be a success in life re accomplishments yet be fully miserable (depressed, unhappy, unfulfilled), and some stars are just horrible people in real life.
Also, I teach piano, and Felix plays the piano, so I automatically pull for him.
Down_the_line
Legend
That final hurt to watch but, needless to say, Felix has a lot of time ahead of him. 3 finals, albeit losses, before turning 19, including 2 finals in a row on completely different surfaces, one of which he had NEVER played a match on at the pro level (Lyon on clay, missed French Open due to injury, then Stuttgart on grass). He's doing fine, which is an understatement. He's doing fantastic! In this era of tennis, when a player's breakthrough and peak has shifted up to an older age, this is very impressive.
No hand wringing necessary. Felix is progressing with every tournament and it continues next week at Queen's, with the benefit of a final run at his first every grasscourt tournament under his belt.
No hand wringing necessary. Felix is progressing with every tournament and it continues next week at Queen's, with the benefit of a final run at his first every grasscourt tournament under his belt.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Final in first grass tournament for an 18 year old kid is amazing. And almost took it, had it gone to the third set. FAA has totally immature game for grass, shot selection was not always the best, and positioning could have been better....still he got to the final, and this shows that he knows how to get the maximum from is game. Under this POV, Felix showed incredible intelligence, concentration, heart.
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