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Hopefully lots (sorry, couldn't help it )What a brutal loss!!!!!!! That’s all. How many more can this guy have against djokovic?
Hopefully lots (sorry, couldn't help it )What a brutal loss!!!!!!! That’s all. How many more can this guy have against djokovic?
Honestly wish Wimbledon had passed me by to some extent this year. Like I’d booked a vacation this past week or something and didn’t invest much time in it other than checking scores.
I’ll feel better by tomorrow but I feel like I lost a piece of my soul after those 5 hours (plus the Rafa match). Such a gut wrenching loss. Just ONE decent serve on those 2 match points. Or anything other than that lousy forehand on the net approach on the second. I can only imagine how much that will eat at Roger himself tonight and in the coming days. I know he’s a multi-millionaire and whatnot but we know what it means to him, this will be really tough to take.
Damn. It’s getting tougher and tougher to remain a Federer fan. I need to drastically lower my expectations. Maybe, I will stick around to see if he can have a more epic collapse, like blowing a 6-1, 6-1, 5-0 lead in a slam final, or lose 3 tiebreakers in a slam final after having a 6-0 lead in each tiebreaker. I won’t put any of this past Fed. If anybody can do it, it’s Fed.
Fed will one day have a more epic collapse. We can take that to the bank. The question is if I will be stupid enough to watch it.
I would have to be some kind of lunatic to remain a Fed fan
This loss might be the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Keep dreaming this and it just might happen in September. Go Roger. All you Federer fans will sleep better tonight. he has more hair too so he might grow some hair as well.Hopefully lots (sorry, couldn't help it )
The only reason I can think of are his nerves being in pieces.I don’t understand what he was doing at 40-30. That was a horrible approach shot. He proceeds to miss a first serve on deuce. He leaves a short ball in the middle of the court.
If he faces novak in the final again you will know the outcome. The guy has a mental block against him.
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For some reason, he didn’t attack Novak’s shot at 40-30. He should’ve.I don’t understand what he was doing at 40-30. That was a horrible approach shot. He proceeds to miss a first serve on deuce. He leaves a short ball in the middle of the court.
I don’t understand what he was doing at 40-30. That was a horrible approach shot. He proceeds to miss a first serve on deuce. He leaves a short ball in the middle of the court.
Literally couldn't say a word after this. Just sat on the couch looking into nothing for 30 minutes. This was tough.. Like USO 2011 all over again, but 100 times worse.
This is a really good point. If Federer got in even one big serve on the four points from 40-15, he'd likely be okay. Djokovic is going to dig in at match point down, but if Federer can either close it out with a big serve right away or at least hold off the charge after Djokovic saves match points, he should be able to weather the storm. Not getting one big serve on those four points showed how nervous he was. And his groundstrokes were all pushes too, as he was too nervous to go for his shots.
Let's be a real fan though.
This one was obviously the most strange loss in their rivalry because of all those shanking by Federer on at least 15 key points from forehand side, then 2 match points lost on Federer's serve. Let's be a real fan though. 38 yo Federer played well and almost had 32 yo Djokovic. What a legendary stuff.
I don’t think it’s ever been this extreme, though. He defended his second serve better, won more points on return, manufactured more break points – all stats you’d expect Djoker to win. 40 more winners but only 10 more unforced. That’s insane. I can’t see him ever having a performance quite that good against Djokovic. And he didn’t even win.
What in the hell is going on here. Good grief. The man had two match points against the number one player in the world. He outplayed Joker much of the day. He owned his own serve against the best returner of all time. I do not believe he choked. He probably played one match point return off of his damn shoes swinging a bit late and probably pressed too much on the second. He does not need mental training. He has won 20 slams and was one point of defeating an in form Nadal and Joker back to back. He has won his share of big points while others have shrunk in the moment. At the end of the day he is a tennis player and not the God that many of his fans were sucked into believing he was while the competition sucked. He has won matches earlier in his career before even stepping on the court because of the intimidation factor. That has been gone for years and he has still won his share. Joker and Nadal both owe him for setting the bar they have tried to overcome. This is real sport here and not a drama being acted out. He is currently at the top of the game. Winning the USO would not shock me. Quit crying. He has.
Checking in here to say one thing: no matter how old, or how experienced we all are - there's a very different sort of training required for dealing with mental challenges. Loads of professional experience can help you, but it's more important now than ever for everyone to learn how to deal with their mind and get healthier mentally. Meditation like mindfulness should be mandatory in all learning institutions - sports too. Look at Kyrgios and the potential just waiting there - the amount of progress that can be made by mental training is unbelievable - it's a kind of new superpower.
I feel Fed, even at 38, is crying out for mental training. I don't think he has been getting any guidance there (correct me if I am wrong). I can't begin to imagine the weight of expectations these players have, the messed up thoughts, the swirl of emotions, fear and anxiety on big points in slams. We're all human, and most of us except a few really trained ones, are just winging it in the mental department. Yes, I will say it again, we're just winging it. It's unknown territory, for all of us be it Fed or Nole. We just need a map, one territory, one city at a time.
He should get mental training so that he can use his twilight years and catapult himself even more, because it's clear that he has got physical attributes (which will not last infinitely), but he just needs that mental edge.
Djokovic has plenty of mental training. He's almost a guru in that respect and very self aware of his consciousness and being in the moment.
In the tennis channel interview , he almost recited the dichotomy of control of Stoicism. A philosophy.
Basically that is one of the factors that make Novak so strong. He said he promised himself that he can't do anything about the opponent and the crowd. But he can do everything about his own mental state and fortitude. And that he would retain his calm and composure and believe in himself, no matter what happened. He said he was determined to do that since the beginning of the match which was his promise to himself.
That he would fully control what he could and give it his very best. Then he was indifferent to the outcome. That is precisely why Novak won. If Fed had adopted that, he might not have been anxious on match points. It's about being in the moment and being able to give it your very best..
To everyone here, I'm posting this pic because I love the nostalgia in it - the happy faces, the youth, the effect of time. Time has not been kind and will not be kind on anyone. So let's enjoy what we've had so far and appreciate what these fantastic guys have achieved.
That's the point I was making. It's a bit like comparing someone who's read 10 books vs 500 books. If Nole has done that, he's the smarter one here. Fed does need some assistance (everyone does at some level).
I don't appreciate it. I am jealous of it. they make ton of money hitting a yellow ball. Anyway, they got it real good better than 99.999 % of the people in the world. In that sense, roger has nothing to be depressed about. He should wake up tomorrow..... and say "WOW,, look what I got,,,,,,, 100 million in the bank and ton of goodies.................WOW"
That's very interesting about Nole. As a Fed fan for a long time now, I appreciate Nole even more. More power to him.I couldn't agree more with you. Some of these things should be mandatory in school. Hell, even before you get your driving license. Everyone needs that assistance and can benefit from it tremendously.
If you see/read what Novak has done off court, he is become a master of so many philosophical teachings and spiritual constructs. He is incredibly self-aware. People think it's stupid, but I'll tell you that's why he's having all the success.
Tennis is played more between the ears and less with the racquet at the very top level.
HOw do you know Tomic didn't find out midway in his career that he just isn't good enough to be top 50 all the time ?? People just assume he is a Awsome talent like top 30 guy for sure..... What makes you think he is that ? The way he hits the ball, he has very very high risk game. All of his flat shots are very powerful but has very low margin or error. With that kind of game, you have more bad days than good days. Maybe Tomic is just a 50-100 guy nothing more, and he is just living up to that... and it isn't his fault ????????They've earned it. A case in point, someone who was given a great start in his career but almost made a complete mess of it - Bernard Tomic. These guys here in comparison, Nole and others like him, have achieved glory and they've worked harder than many others for it. Do appreciate it, time is limited for everyone. These players, once they retire, will vanish. There won't be anyone like them, they're that unique.
HOw do you know Tomic didn't find out midway in his career that he just isn't good enough to be top 50 all the time ?? People just assume he is a Awsome talent like top 30 guy for sure..... What makes you think he is that ? The way he hits the ball, he has very very high risk game. All of his flat shots are very powerful but has very low margin or error. With that kind of game, you have more bad days than good days. Maybe Tomic is just a 50-100 guy nothing more, and he is just living up to that... and it isn't his fault ????????
they shouldn't be making that much money. Federer and rafa should have 20 million in the bank, NO moreI'm not saying Tomic was a magical talent. In case you've not seen his interviews and behaviour, he coudn't care less about being on court, let alone win tournaments. When you said 'they got it real good better than 99.999 % of the people in the world', what is it that you mean? They have it automatically? They went from strength-to-strength and multiplied their talent by committing more to it. Sure, some are more talented than others, so some will fall off outside Top 5, 10 or 50. My point is, appreciate what they have done to be top-notch, it doesn't come automatically to anyone.
Probably a totally different discussion. For now, their talent and hard work is paying off. Unless we find comparable talent to match these, I reckon these players totally deserve their rewards, monetary or otherwise. The question is, do we have a set of players with a combination of talent and hard work that these guys have?they shouldn't be making that much money. Federer and rafa should have 20 million in the bank, NO more
Hopefully lots (sorry, couldn't help it )
Federer and RAFA and novak are all lazy. I heard they get up at 11 amProbably a totally different discussion. For now, their talent and hard work is paying off. Unless we find comparable talent to match these, I reckon these players totally deserve their rewards, monetary or otherwise. The question is, do we have a set of players with a combination of talent and hard work that these guys have?
Djokovic has plenty of mental training. He's almost a guru in that respect and very self aware of his consciousness and being in the moment.
In the tennis channel interview , he almost recited the dichotomy of control of Stoicism. A philosophy.
Basically that is one of the factors that make Novak so strong. He said he promised himself that he can't do anything about the opponent and the crowd. But he can do everything about his own mental state and fortitude. And that he would retain his calm and composure and believe in himself, no matter what happened. He said he was determined to do that since the beginning of the match which was his promise to himself.
That he would fully control what he could and give it his very best. Then he was indifferent to the outcome. That is precisely why Novak won. If Fed had adopted that, he might not have been anxious on match points. It's about being in the moment and being able to give it your very best..
True, but that doesn't mean his mind is free from demons. He probably had a million thoughts that led to him squandering match points. The mind is a terrible machine that needs to be tamed. Fed unfortunately has not got this part of his act together. With Nadal, it took him ages. We will not know what his problem is; he need to sort it out if he wants to make use of precious time he has left on court.Federer shows much less emotion than Djokovic
Not sure what to say about that! They probably need an order of magnitude more recovery and rest time than most people, so I'd say it seems natural. Referring to them as 'lazy' makes them sound like they're sloths whose careers are running on auto-pilot!I heard they get up at 11 am