Amazing to think we should be at 21 or 22 slams for Federer and 14 for Djokovic

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vaillancourt

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If Federer had converted his match points with Djokovic in the 2011 U.S Open and 2019 Wimbledon. Djokovic loses 2 slams. Federer gains either 1 or 2 depending if he beats Nadal in the 2011 U.S Open final or not which is a toss up.

Federer even also lost match points vs Djokovic at the 2010 U.S Open, but Djokovic lost in the final there anyway, and Federer would have lost to Nadal in the final that year, so that one is a write off.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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If, if, if... It doesn't exist, no?

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vaillancourt

Rookie
King No1e said:
Federer beating Nadal at USO11?

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I would say Nadal beating Federer in 2010 is a near certainty, like 90-10 Nadal. Which is why I was dismissive of that in the overall picture, especialy when Djokovic wound up losing in the final anyway too.

However 2011 I would say is 50-50. Federer was playing much better at the 2011 U.S Open and in 2010 in general (despite dropping from 2nd to 3rd, but the field was also much better in 2011) than in 2010. Nadal was much worse at the 2011 U.S Open than the 2010 U.S Open too. His serve in the final was horrible, which Federer despite being a weaker returner than Djokovic would capatilize on. Remember their match at Roland Garros that year was very close, maybe their closest ever there, so at the U.S Open Federer would have a good shot that year.
 
Lew II

Lew II

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HetTheGreaterer said:
That's because he's not capable of reaching slam semis or finals when not in his best possible level...
Lowest season roger :- 2016, reached 2 slam semis
Lowest season novak :- 2017-early18, reached 0 slam semis
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Djokovic reached the semifinal in 62.1% of slams he played (36/58).
Federer reached the semifinal in 58.4% of slams he played (45/77).
 
Lleytonstation

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Lew II said:
Djokovic reached the semifinal in 62.1% of slams he played (36/58).
Federer reached the semifinal in 58.4% of slams he played (45/77).
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Well, I would argue one is in the back half of his career and maintained a high percentage. The other has yet to do that (maybe he will, maybe he won't).

Fed reaching slam final: 40.2%

Djoker reaching slam final: 43.1%

Djoker is definitely ahead in both departments due to having more success early on (he deserves credit for this). However, if he keeps playing into his twilight like Fed, those number might dip from 3-5%.

Or Djoker will raise those numbers in the next few years. We shall see.
 
Lew II

Lew II

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Lleytonstation said:
Well, I would argue one is in the back half of his career and maintained a high percentage. The other has yet to do that (maybe he will, maybe he won't).

Fed reaching slam final: 40.2%

Djoker reaching slam final: 43.1%

Djoker is definitely ahead in both departments due to having more success early on (he deserves credit for this). However, if he keeps playing into his twilight like Fed, those number might dip from 3-5%.

Or Djoker will raise those numbers in the next few years. We shall see.
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Fed raised his percentage when he was older than Djokovic's current age, reaching 13 semis in 19 slams since AO 2014.
 
Lleytonstation

Lleytonstation

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Lew II said:
Fed raised his percentage when he was older than Djokovic's current age, reaching 13 semis in 19 slams since AO 2014.
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Yes, the question is, will Djoker do the same, or will his numbers lower like most projected top players?

Guess it depends on when he hangs it up too?
 
Djokodalerer31

Djokodalerer31

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Yeah and what if Djokovic didn't have to play inspired Wawrinka in two of his lost finals to him? What if he didn't have to play Murray in finals under the guidance of Lendl? What if 2nd career slump didn' happen in 2nd half of 2016, that last two full years?! What if 1st one didn't happen either between 2009 and 2011 and his was winning and defending his AO titles?! So many "what ifs" not even funny...but the most important - "what if atomic bomb was never invented and Hiroshima/Nagasaki was never bombed?!"
 
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Shaj

Semi-Pro
That serve hold in RG 2011 Semis by Novak late in the 4th set, would have gotten him 17 GS by now and 17 as well for Nadal . The semis against Roger.
 
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