Best non poly you've ever tried? Need advice

3virgul14

3virgul14

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If you live in Japan you gotta give a chance to Gosen strings. They resolved my arm problems but hard to get them in Europe.

For example, Gosen G xx-3 hybrid is so control oriented and soft that you will probably have more power and spin than hyper g and it can never give any pain to your arm in low-mid tensions. As suggested before put this in your racquet 22/20 kgs and never look back to a poly.

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blai212

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Boubi said:
The physics of vibration, frequency of vibration (and thus its energy) depends on the diameter of the string
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NOPE.

thicker string = more stiff, more immune to resistance in change (better tension maintenance), thinner gauge is softer/more elastic, better playability, shorter durability and worse tension maintenance.


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Boubi

Boubi

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YEs
blai212 said:
NOPE.

thicker string = more stiff, more immune to resistance in change (better tension maintenance), thinner gauge is softer/more elastic, better playability, shorter durability and worse tension maintenance.


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YES

ƒ = (1/2L).(√[(m.g)/µ])

F= frequency of vibration
L= string length
u= mass and therefore diameter of the string
F is inversely proportional to u
It means that the bigger the gauge the LESS vibration you have
 
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blai212

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Boubi said:
YEs


YES

ƒ = (1/2L).(√[(m.g)/µ])

F= frequency of vibration
L= string length
u= mass and therefore diameter of the string
F is inversely proportional to u
It means that the bigger the gauge the LESS vibration you have
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incorrect. I cannot attest to whatever physics you’re talking about but all I know is thinner gauge string is more elastic, thus feels softer and has less of that harsh impact on mishits. Ask anybody who has experience stringing racquets, they will agree that thicker tension is more stiff


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Boubi

Boubi

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blai212 said:
incorrect. I cannot attest to whatever physics you’re talking about but all I know is thinner gauge string is more elastic, thus feels softer and has less of that harsh impact on mishits. Ask anybody who has experience stringing racquets, they will agree that thicker tension is more stiff


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Physics is incorrect ?
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Yoneyama

Yoneyama

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As someone who has strayed away from full beds of poly due to injuries here are my two picks for you to try out.

Natural Gut full bed (Babolat VS Touch full bed is very controllable and not overly powerful). Klip Legend is awesome too, a bit more powerful than VS touch.

Otherwise Gosen AK Pro CX. An amazing "synthetic gut" that plays better than any other SG or Multi I have tried. Keeps its tension until it dies and the stringbed does not lock up like most other SG's do.
 
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blai212

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lower frequency of thicker strings can still be harsher than higher frequency with thinner strings...frequency alone does not equate to the feel (softness/harshness) of the racquet


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Nick777

Nick777

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Yoneyama said:
As someone who has strayed away from full beds of poly due to injuries here are my two picks for you to try out.

Natural Gut full bed (Babolat VS Touch full bed is very controllable and not overly powerful). Klip Legend is awesome too, a bit more powerful than VS touch.

Otherwise Gosen AK Pro CX. An amazing "synthetic gut" that plays better than any other SG or Multi I have tried. Keeps its tension until it dies and the stringbed does not lock up like most other SG's do.
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Can you compare AK pro to velocity please?
 
Nick777

Nick777

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rsmith said:
Ok. Could you tell me which poly is softer and decent?
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Cyclone tour 1.30 Red, Black venon polyfibre, TCS, cream. I play mostly hybrid because of sensitive arm with velocity 1.30 and changing polys depends of the weather or how my arm feels, i also like yptp/velocity
 
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Kevo

Legend
blai212 said:
incorrect. I cannot attest to whatever physics you’re talking about but all I know is thinner gauge string is more elastic, thus feels softer and has less of that harsh impact on mishits. Ask anybody who has experience stringing racquets, they will agree that thicker tension is more stiff
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Not always in my experience, but it's a good general rule.
 
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Kevo

Legend
rsmith said:
I know reducing the tension would make it softer, but wouldn't a thicker gauge make it stiffer? Also, I've never ever broken a string...
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If you've never broken a string, try 17g wilson sensation. It's a less expensive multi, and it's very nice on the joints. If you end up breaking that too quickly, move up to the 16g. For me, the 17g was awesome, but if you hit big it won't last more than a set or two probably.

Gut is a great option for people with joint issues, but many find it too powerful. If you're not worried about spending the big bucks to get your racquet strung, you should definitely try it.
 
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mctennis

Legend
If you string gut at a higher tension the power is tamed. I have been using a full bed of gut or a gut hybrid for 25+ years. I normally string the gut at 58-62 lbs, depending on the racquet. Great control and arm comfort. PLUS it lasts a long, long time for me.
 
ByeByePoly

ByeByePoly

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Znak

Znak

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ByeByePoly said:
I can ... in fact I did somewhere 8-B

Here was one ... search @Znak posts for more, he plays with it.

CX (sg version) was excellent as a main with V cross .. I did not ever play fb.

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Hey hey! Different strings altogether... CX is more crisp/lively, I found V more muted and a little stiffer (in my setup).
 
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mctennis

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3virgul14 said:
If you live in Japan you gotta give a chance to Gosen strings. They resolved my arm problems but hard to get them in Europe.

For example, Gosen G xx-3 hybrid is so control oriented and soft that you will probably have more power and spin than hyper g and it can never give any pain to your arm in low-mid tensions. As suggested before put this in your racquet 22/20 kgs and never look back to a poly.

gxx-w850-1.jpg


gxx-w850-2.jpg
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I wish this string was available here in the states. Looks like a great choice.
 
ByeByePoly

ByeByePoly

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Znak said:
Hey hey! Different strings altogether... CX is more crisp/lively, I found V more muted and a little stiffer (in my setup).
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My elbow is a finely tuned stiffness measurererer 8-B ... V 17g 53, Pro CX 17g 57.

Multi CX 17g 50 ... TW US should add it.

TW needs to put V 16 in database.
 
Muppet

Muppet

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Monogut ZX nat 1.22 / Pro's Pro Hitec Multifiber 1.30 is a very nice, gut-like hybrid (better spin). Be sure to pre-stretch the ZX very well and put it in the mains. The HM is pre-stretched at the factory. Do a search for ZX to learn about handling this string during stringing. Once you get it strung it's very durable.
 
Muppet

Muppet

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blai212 said:
NOPE.

thicker string = more stiff, more immune to resistance in change (better tension maintenance), thinner gauge is softer/more elastic, better playability, shorter durability and worse tension maintenance.


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Just a minute. Are we talking about fresh strings here or broken-in ones. When 17g is freshly strung at the same tension as the 16g, the 17g feels tighter due to it having a smaller cross section and therefore less material to distribute shock. That's until it breaks in. It breaks in and bags out more quickly than the 16g. In its prime, 17g plays softer and more elastic than its 16g counterpart.
 
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blai212

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Muppet said:
Just a minute. Are we talking about fresh strings here or broken-in ones. When 17g is freshly strung at the same tension as the 16g, the 17g feels tighter due to it having a smaller cross section and therefore less material to distribute shock. That's until it breaks in. It breaks in and bags out more quickly than the 16g. In its prime, 17g plays softer and more elastic than its 16g counterpart.
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i dont think so...? 17g def loses tension faster than 16g but I believe if both strung at same tension, 16g will feel stiffer


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Yoneyama

Yoneyama

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Nick777 said:
Can you compare AK pro to velocity please?
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AK Pro CX vs Velocity Black (never used the other colour).

AK Pro CX is more crisper whereas Velocity is a bit more mushy. Both are equally as soft on the arm. Velocity gets livlier quicker as it seems to lose tension more easily.

Spin potential for me was the same.

Don't get regular AK, it needs to be the CX version.
 
Boubi

Boubi

Professional
blai212 said:
i dont think so...? 17g def loses tension faster than 16g but I believe if both strung at same tension, 16g will feel stiffer


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Of course a thinner 17g will loose tension faster as there is less matter into it. But it will also feel stiffer as it vibrates more than a 16g
 
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blai212

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Boubi said:
Of course a thinner 17g will loose tension faster as there is less matter into it. But it will also feel stiffer as it vibrates more than a 16g
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incorrect. 17g is more elastic and will feel softer thus having more power. 16g will be stiffer but vibrate less because of thicker gauge. I think you’re incorrectly equating vibration to shock. For example, do you think using vibration dampener will reduce stiffness of strings? (the answer is no)


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Kevo

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mctennis said:
If you string gut at a higher tension the power is tamed. I have been using a full bed of gut or a gut hybrid for 25+ years. I normally string the gut at 58-62 lbs, depending on the racquet. Great control and arm comfort. PLUS it lasts a long, long time for me.
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I kept going higher with gut until it got to the point of being quite challenging to string. It would thin out in the clamps so I had to be very careful with preparing the clamps or it would slip and mess up the gut. I think about 70lbs is where I decided it wasn't worth it any more. Probably would have been much better if I was doing a hybrid instead of full gut. With the newer less stiff polys and lower tensions I don't really feel compelled in the slightest to try gut again, but I think it's a very good idea for anyone who has joint issues. There is nothing better for reducing the shock and impact of hitting. Even at 70lbs it felt cushy to me. Probably still noticeably better than what I get with a soft poly at about 45lbs now. Also, probably great for serve and volleyers. The power on serve was awesome.
 
ByeByePoly

ByeByePoly

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Kevo said:
I kept going higher with gut until it got to the point of being quite challenging to string. It would thin out in the clamps so I had to be very careful with preparing the clamps or it would slip and mess up the gut. I think about 70lbs is where I decided it wasn't worth it any more. Probably would have been much better if I was doing a hybrid instead of full gut. With the newer less stiff polys and lower tensions I don't really feel compelled in the slightest to try gut again, but I think it's a very good idea for anyone who has joint issues. There is nothing better for reducing the shock and impact of hitting. Even at 70lbs it felt cushy to me. Probably still noticeably better than what I get with a soft poly at about 45lbs now. Also, probably great for serve and volleyers. The power on serve was awesome.
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I had no control issue with fb bab vs touch @55. I only tried fb gut once, so no reference to how it would have played/felt at higher tensions. I did not love fb gut ... with the exception of volleys/net (wow ... best string for volleys I have ever played with). My problem with tonic/cream @55/50 was less consistent hitting to targets than my fb Velocity @52. I loved the extra spin ... but it came at the cost of accuracy for my moderate spin game. All strings are tradeoffs ... have to know what is most important to your game. I have also found it frustrating that the best feeling string is seldom the best playing string if you hit any topspin. Someday I will try gut/velocity and see if I get my velocity baseline game with gut net play. 8-B One thing is for sure ... that would be elbow friendly.
 
Boubi

Boubi

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blai212 said:
incorrect. 17g is more elastic and will feel softer thus having more power. 16g will be stiffer but vibrate less because of thicker gauge. I think you’re incorrectly equating vibration to shock. For example, do you think using vibration dampener will reduce stiffness of strings? (the answer is no)


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You mix up a lot of things....elasticity and power, stiffness and vibrations....
Shock is related to the energies of the ball and the speed of the racquet not to strings.
Physics says a thick gauge will vibrate less, you cannot get over that.
Stiffness is just related to tension, at same tension stiffness will be the same whatever the gauge, elasticity is related to the material not to the gauge etc
 
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blai212

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Boubi said:
You mix up a lot of things....elasticity and power, stiffness and vibrations....
Shock is related to the energies of the ball and the speed of the racquet not to strings.
Physics says a thick gauge will vibrate less, you cannot get over that.
Stiffness is just related to tension, at same tension stiffness will be the same whatever the gauge, elasticity is related to the material not to the gauge etc
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NO NO NO!!!
at same tension, thicker gauge will be more stiff. Impact shock has EVERYTHING to do with strings and the elasticity hence why natural gut is the softest feeling string since it has the most elasticity. Elasticity is related to the material AND gauge. Sorry to say, you’re using your physics knowledge in the wrong context.
FYI less vibration does NOT mean less shock or arm pain.


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Muppet

Muppet

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Given same tensions
Fresh strings:
17g shock > 16g shock
Broken-in strings:
17g elasticity, comfort, and power > 16g

17g breaks in and wears out more quickly than 16g because there's less material in the cross section. When fresh, the material of the 17g is under more stress than the 16g because the 17g has less material to distribute the forces to. (there, without saying the word Phys...)
 
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Luke Yonex

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When considering string gauge and tension lets not forget the simple fact that N = C + {fb(cm) . fb(tc)} + fb (Ts) + fc . ta
 
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GS

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If anyone's interested, probably the only pro in the Top 50 who uses a full bed of multi or a multi/poly hybrid is Gilles Simon, currently at #34. He's been using Head IntelliTour as a main string or in a full bed for years now.
Being a multi fan, I tried it recently and really liked it, but only use it against softer hitters because it pockets the ball more than my normal multis, and gives me alittle more power. It's pretty soft.
My normal setup? Either Mantis Comfort Synthetic, or Head Rip Control 17.
I tried Monogut ZX the other day---it felt pretty good, but I don't need any more strings in my closet.
The best-feeling multi I've hit with is Tecnifibre NRG2, but it loses its feel after a week or so, and it's alittle expensive.
 
Boubi

Boubi

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Muppet said:
Given same tensions
Fresh strings:
17g shock > 16g shock
Broken-in strings:
17g elasticity, comfort, and power > 16g

17g breaks in and wears out more quickly than 16g because there's less material in the cross section. When fresh, the material of the 17g is under more stress than the 16g because the 17g has less material to distribute the forces to. (there, without saying the word Phys...)
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So it means that after the break in, the 17 g has more material than 16 ? It's absurd
 
Tecnifibre Official

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GS said:
If anyone's interested, probably the only pro in the Top 50 who uses a full bed of multi or a multi/poly hybrid is Gilles Simon, currently at #34. He's been using Head IntelliTour as a main string or in a full bed for years now.
Being a multi fan, I tried it recently and really liked it, but only use it against softer hitters because it pockets the ball more than my normal multis, and gives me alittle more power. It's pretty soft.
My normal setup? Either Mantis Comfort Synthetic, or Head Rip Control 17.
I tried Monogut ZX the other day---it felt pretty good, but I don't need any more strings in my closet.
The best-feeling multi I've hit with is Tecnifibre NRG2, but it loses its feel after a week or so, and it's alittle expensive.
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Hi GS. Thanks for the feedback on the NRG2. We just launched a "new" string, HDMX. It is an update to the HDX Tour and perhaps something for you to try. It's not a multi and not a poly, but what Tecnifibre calls a "HYBRID 3D" string. A new category for us, where the player gets all the benefits of a hybrid in 1 string. The comfort & power of a poly, the durability/control of a poly. Duramix also fits into the Hybrid 3D category.
 
ElwoodP

ElwoodP

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I like the Gosen strings.
OG sheep, 17g
I have a work related elbow injury and I feel no pain at all with this string.
At 55 pounds it is a little power oriented but once you creep higher you get much more control.
I hit flat forehand and bh slice a lot. It works well for me.
 
Muppet

Muppet

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Boubi said:
So it means that after the break in, the 17 g has more material than 16 ? It's absurd
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Factor yourself into it. You are breaking down the structure of the 17g. That's why it gets softer and more powerful than the 16g. As you wear on the 17g, it will stretch and lose some cross section (gets thinner). The 16g will stay solid feeling for longer, more material.
 
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Luke Yonex

Rookie
Tecnifibre Official said:
Hi GS. Thanks for the feedback on the NRG2. We just launched a "new" string, HDMX. It is an update to the HDX Tour and perhaps something for you to try. It's not a multi and not a poly, but what Tecnifibre calls a "HYBRID 3D" string. A new category for us, where the player gets all the benefits of a hybrid in 1 string. The comfort & power of a poly, the durability/control of a poly. Duramix also fits into the Hybrid 3D category.
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Comfort of a poly?
 
Boubi

Boubi

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Muppet said:
Factor yourself into it. You are breaking down the structure of the 17g. That's why it gets softer and more powerful than the 16g. As you wear on the 17g, it will stretch and lose some cross section (gets thinner). The 16g will stay solid feeling for longer, more material.
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Breaking down the structure... Any proof of that ? None I am afraid
Why would 16 not loose ''structure'' too ? What does really mean ''loose of structure'' ?
 
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