FiReFTW
Legend
I created a monster.
Check your conversation/private message
I created a monster.
With my left arm? You got me here...Funny thing is nobody in this thread giving you advice can do what you are asking how to do.
J
With my left arm? You got me here...
5:08I'll settle for video of it righty.
J
Too much on the lines though. Shouldnt he hit with more margin? Cant think he can hit this as a second serve when the nerves are playing during the match.I can do it but not consistently, so I will post a video of someone else instead:
That's a nice serve but it's just kicking in the direction it was going before it touched the court.I can do it but not consistently, so I will post a video of someone else instead:
That's a nice serve but it's just kicking in the direction it was going before it touched the court.
5:08
Not a huge twist, yet some
Edit: corrected verticality for the picture:
Nah. He hits dead corner out wide there, and he's standing about 40cm from the middle. Additional kick to the right is just an optical illusion.No its not it ovciously kicks right, but it doesnt really deviate to the right much because its more of a power kick, to have a big right kick you need more spin and less drive.
Nah. He hits dead corner out wide there, and he's standing about 40cm from the middle. Additional kick to the right is just an optical illusion.
Sorry to burst your bubble. Check out this video and this guy's serve which "looks" even more like a kick to the right. Listen to it all you'll hear him say he never achieved it. Or go by your own eye test...Well my conclusion is that you need glasses
... it doesnt really deviate to the right much because its more of a power kick, to have a big right kick you need more spin and less drive.
Wasted 1 Saturday hour having sex with Paint. Should be easier with decent photo editor.How the heck do you do that which you did on the picture!!??? I want to know lol
Wasted 1 Saturday hour having sex with Paint. Should be easier with decent photo editor.
Its a sad day on tt when Shroud’s kicker is mentioned as something other than what not to do. Anyhow here is a vid where I think I get the action the op was asking about.
5:08
Not a huge twist, yet some
Edit: corrected verticality for the picture:
Wasted 1 Saturday hour having sex with Paint. Should be easier with decent photo editor.
You need:I needed freaking 1 hour to make this, and I had to actually copy the ball a few times in the upper section and paste it around the first few frames because each layer I added started completely washing away the previous pictures more and more lol... until it was almost invisible, and I ended up skiping alot of frames between because its so much work, what the hell... screw this
You need:
- A video player capable of frame-be-frame scrolling (using QuickTime, though it's far from perfect);
- A photo editor capable of cropping from images creating transparent background and then overlaying those on base image (using free trial PhotoPad by NCH right now).
1. Make a screenshot of your base frame and put it into the editor.
2. Make a screenshot of each frame you want to copmile. For this case I suggest starting when the ball is farthest from the camera.
3. In a photo editor use "Select" function and "circle" the ball, then holding "shift" button add an "anchor" to the selection - an area at the very corner of the image.
4. Click "Crop" with selected areas. You should get an image with the ball, the anchor, and transparent field all between them.
5. Copy and paste the whole thing to your base image and land the "anchor" to the corner where it belongs.
6. Repeat with as many frames as you want. 60 FPS makes me sad...
(the first picture was made via paint cutting ball with adjacent fragmants and landing based on lines, fences, etc. Stupid way.)
Wowowow there should be a way to do that semi-automatically, right?Sounds a bit confusing, but maybe il try it once haha.
Wowowow there should be a way to do that semi-automatically, right?
Say:
1- choose your starting frame (probably at impact)
2- train a detector on the ball
3- define your frame range on which you want to track the ball
4- automatically segment and overlay ball from each sub-sequent frame on top of the starting frame
I am pretty sure some filters in Photoshop or Gimp can (nearly) do the extraction. Afterwards the overlay should be doable by animation editors.
If it does not exist, I will develop that in 2 hours and get rich by selling this crap to every tennis geek in TTW ^^
Try extreme ISR and finish on the LH sideHi everyone,
I am trying to learn wide kick serve, and especially to achieve lateral spin to further push opponent wide.
I have to admit that I totally admire Thiem's 'new' serve on ad side since #1 year, and would like to have something similar in the bag.
As you'll see in the video, I am struggling for getting -on rare occasions- a little bit of lateral spin. I made slo-mos when 'something' was occurring.
Attempts with tossing further behind (on my right) improve a little the desired effect, but with loss of power, comfort and reliability... Never got something really satisfying, even if the zones are often good.
I'd be glad to read technical advices. My self evaluation is that I don't have an exploding enough and forward enough leg push, and fall to the right, but I'm not sure it is the reason for failing at lateral spin.
Any current pros doing this? Fabrice Santoro and many players of yesteryear did so. It can help some players doing it this way. But if the RHS is not fast enuff, using a glancing blow, the twist-style kick will likely still not happenTry extreme ISR and finish on the LH side
Sent from my SM-G965W using Tapatalk
Any current pros doing this? Fabrice Santoro and many players of yesteryear did so. It can help some players doing it this way. But if the RHS is not fast enuff, using a glancing blow, the twist-style kick will likely still not happen
Fabrice Santoro
Any current pros doing this? Fabrice Santoro and many players of yesteryear did so. It can help some players doing it this way. But if the RHS is not fast enuff, using a glancing blow, the twist-style kick will likely still not happen
Fabrice Santoro
If RHS is not fast, no kick would happen, no matter what technique was used
Sent from my SM-G965W using Tapatalk
Yes and no. One could hit a high-arcing "lob kick" with modest to moderate topspin. This would hit the court at a very steep angle with a moderate amount of vertical speed (and spin) and would result in a straight-ahead kick. The RHS speed need not be high to hit this type of kick serve.If RHS is not fast, no kick would happen, no matter what technique was used
Sent from my SM-G965W using Tapatalk
Yes and no. One could hit a high-arcing "lob kick" with modest to moderate topspin. This would hit the court at a very steep angle with a moderate amount of vertical speed (and spin) and would result in a straight-ahead kick. The RHS speed need not be high to hit this type of kick serve.
The way that elite players usually get the ball to hit the court at a steep angle is to impart a very generous amount of topspin. This requires a good amount of RHS. To achieve a twist (lateral) bounce requires a very fast RHS with more of that racket speed used for spin than forward ball speed.
Wow! That is analytically, graphically brilliant.
Do you think I overrotate (at least partly) because of the messed up sync between leg push and raquet drop ? Because if not, I'm not out of the woods with all this stuff to fix...
If RHS is not fast, no kick would happen, no matter what technique was used
Sent from my SM-G965W using Tapatalk
Your wording is a little confusing. Are you saying that you can hit a decent kick serve but not getting much twist (side bounce)?I often have the same problem. I can't hit nice, or at least decent, topspin and sliced serves but I'm struggling with getting any sidekick though I'm doing my best. My serve grip is somewhere between continental and eastern backhand. For totally flat serves I can also use strictly continental. I feel that the hybrid grip let's me get over the a lot easier than continental.
I said that I can hit topspin serves but not serves that are supposed to kick sideways (when you serve e.g. to the deuce court the ball bounces to the right towards the add court). My topspin serves just bounce straight ahead. To me there are three types of spin serves, slice, topspin and (side)kick.Your wording is a little confusing. Are you saying that you can hit a decent kick serve but not getting much twist (side bounce)?
The hybrid grip you mention should work fine (conti could also work). The problem might be that your spin rate for your topspin-slice might not be fast enuff (to generate the needed spiral spin). Take a look about what I wrote about the "fast brush" sound in post #57 and #65.
Well, show it...
Sent from my SM-G965W using Tapatalk
Im not sending you anything because your a d*ck, but ive sent the OP videos of my kick and of Shroud's kick from your thread and he can decide if its what he is talking about, afterall its about him not you in this thread.
Well, show it...
Sent from my SM-G965W using Tapatalk
I needed freaking 1 hour to make this, and I had to actually copy the ball a few times in the upper section and paste it around the first few frames because each layer I added started completely washing away the previous pictures more and more lol... until it was almost invisible, and I ended up skiping alot of frames between because its so much work, what the hell... screw this
Anything serve related I always go back to basics. And the first rule of serve is "The Toss is the Boss!" My students get real tired of me saying that, but try to find a really good server with an inconsistent or misplaced toss. That's like finding a 4 leaf clover. They hardly exist.
So the first thing you should do is move your toss to a place where you can hit the ball in a position more like FiReFTW's pics above.
The second thing is to slow down and don't go full speed. Hit like 40mph serves and figure out the toss and racquet angle and path that allows you to get the breaking action. It's very difficult to get a new motion at speed because you can't consciously control much at speed. I see this all the time. I can have people hitting nice spin in 20-30mins and the moment they think they have it down and try to swing normal speed it all goes away. That's because your muscle memory has to be trained. You have to be prepared to go slow for a while and work your way into it.
Also, to get that bit of rolling spin that makes it jump out when it hits you have to brush up a bit on the inside of the ball. On slice you go to the outside and kick you want to go up the inside toward the outside. It's easier to do that if you toss the ball a bit behind your head, or you get some lean to get underneath the ball as you swing. Starting out I always have people toss the ball behind. It's better to make it as easy as possible on yourself so you can work out the proper contact location and motion. Add in the extras after you have that down.
Enjoy. Learning to kick serve is one of the most fun things to learn in tennis IMO.
Sam Stosur and Steve Johnson?Any current pros doing this? Fabrice Santoro and many players of yesteryear did so. It can help some players doing it this way. But if the RHS is not fast enuff, using a glancing blow, the twist-style kick will likely still not happen
Fabrice Santoro