Djokovic's Big 4 Dominance at AO

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

Unprecedented. Unmatched. Untouchable.
Since the surface change in 2008, Djokovic has owned the AO, and owned his top competition, the Big 4. As he stands one match away from extending his record to 8 titles, let's break it down:

2008 vs Federer
7-5 6-3 7-6

2011 vs Federer
7-6 7-5 6-4

2011 vs Murray
6-4 6-2 6-3

2012 vs Murray
6-3 3-6 6-7 6-1 7-5

2012 vs Nadal
5-7 6-4 6-2 6-7 7-5

2013 vs Murray
6-7 7-6 6-3 6-2

2015 vs Murray
7-6 6-7 6-3 6-0

2016 vs Federer
6-1 6-2 3-6 6-3

2016 vs Murray
6-1 7-5 7-6

2019 vs Nadal
6-3 6-2 6-3

2020 vs Federer
7-6 6-4 6-3

Match record: 11-0
Final record: 6-0
SF record: 5-0
Set record: 33-7
Straight set matches: 6/11, 54.5%
Matches vs Federer: 4-0
Sets vs Federer: 12-1
Matches vs Murray: 5-0
Sets vs Murray: 15-4
Matches vs Nadal: 2-0
Sets vs Nadal: 6-2

To say Djokovic is the king of AO would be an understatement. Djokovic is AO.

Lew II · Jan 30, 2020

Federer beat Ferrero in 2004, though.

danglarND2010 · Jan 30, 2020

This is very impressive, hopefully he will dominate the younger players there as well. Still, nadals overall record at the french open is more impressive.

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

danglarND2010 said:
This is very impressive, hopefully he will dominate the younger players there as well. Still, nadals overall record at the french open is more impressive.

Nadal is 14-1 at RG vs the Big 4

Third Serve · Jan 30, 2020

I dunno about removing the match in 2007. Sure the court was different, but imo it wasn’t a whole lot faster in 2007 than 2008. The difference is about as big as the difference between 2016 and 2017 AO courts.

ForehandRF · Jan 30, 2020

Third Serve said:
I dunno about removing the match in 2007. Sure the court was different, but imo it wasn’t a whole lot faster in 2007 than 2008. The difference is about as big as the difference between 2016 and 2017 AO courts.

The difference between 2007 and 2008 was their level/form.Federer was better in 2007, Djokovic better in 2008.Too bad they didn't met in 2009 & 2010 or even in 2017, just to troll the H2H fanboys.

UnderratedSlam · Jan 30, 2020

Very convenient to divide AO into pre-08 and post-07... That way you conveniently get to avoid mentioning Novak's defeat to Federer in 2007, 4th round...

And, for some reason, the loss to Wawrinka isn't there either.

Why the need to omit these results? You could still make a point about his domination AND not be accused of cherry-picking fact-spinning.

Cabeza del Demonio · Jan 30, 2020

Djokovic had a stroke of good fortune when he the surface change gave him the equivalent of Chatrier clay for Nadal. Djokovic is so comfortable on the AO courts, like a lion roaming its own territory.

ibbi · Jan 30, 2020

This is some comical level of cherry picking. Could you not at least wait till he wins the tournament before throwing this stuff together? Also, on the subject of cherry picking, if this record only begins in 2008 should it not end in 2019, as is this years tournament not technically being played on a different kind of hard court?

ibbi · Jan 30, 2020

The above post is dedicated to the memory of Andy Roddick, Jo-Willy Tsonga, Stan Wawrinka, Denis Istomin, and Hyeon Cheung, all who single handedly defeated the Australian Open itself, but were not deemed worthy of remembering.

DjokoLand · Jan 30, 2020

He is so dominant there and is the AO goat by a mile but it’s cherry picking to take out 2007 even though is was only a teenager. 11-1 is still a GOAT achievement

MichaelNadal · Jan 30, 2020

Im ready for the FO for the news to shift back to Rafa lol. Rafa was the GOAT last month, now its January which is ALWAYS Djokovic's time and we are acting shocked and surprised.

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

MichaelNadal said:
Im ready for the FO for the news to shift back to Thiem lol. Rafa was the GOAT last month, now its January which is ALWAYS Djokovic's time and we are acting shocked and surprised.

FTFY

junior74 · Jan 30, 2020

Incredible stuff by Novak!

NoleFam · Jan 30, 2020

King No1e said:
Nadal is 14-1 at RG vs the Big 4

And Djokovic is 11-1. Not too bad for Djoko.

kevaninho · Jan 30, 2020

King No1e said:
Unprecedented. Unmatched. Untouchable.
Since the surface change in 2008, Djokovic has owned the AO, and owned his top competition, the Big 4. As he stands one match away from extending his record to 8 titles, let's break it down:

2008 vs Federer
7-5 6-3 7-6

2011 vs Federer
7-6 7-5 6-4

2011 vs Murray
6-4 6-2 6-3

2012 vs Murray
6-3 3-6 6-7 6-1 7-5

2012 vs Nadal
5-7 6-4 6-2 6-7 7-5

2013 vs Murray
6-7 7-6 6-3 6-2

2015 vs Murray
7-6 6-7 6-3 6-0

2016 vs Federer
6-1 6-2 3-6 6-3

2016 vs Murray
6-1 7-5 7-6

2019 vs Nadal
6-3 6-2 6-3

2020 vs Federer
7-6 6-4 6-3

Match record: 11-0
Final record: 6-0
SF record: 5-0
Set record: 33-7
Straight set matches: 6/11, 54.5%
Matches vs Federer: 4-0
Sets vs Federer: 12-1
Matches vs Murray: 5-0
Sets vs Murray: 15-4
Matches vs Nadal: 2-0
Sets vs Nadal: 6-2

To say Djokovic is the king of AO would be an understatement. Djokovic is AO.

So mentioning 'big 4' to make it look more dominant than it is, as 5 of the wins were against Murray LOL

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

kevaninho said:
So mentioning 'big 4' to make it look more dominant than it is, as 5 of the wins were against Murray LOL

I thought "Murray deserved an AO, he was soooo unlucky"

StrongRule · Jan 30, 2020

I really wonder why Djokovic fans like to mention Murray but not Wawrinka who was a much stronger rival. Because Wawrinka actually beat him once? Well, Djokovic still beat him 2 times out of 3. He definitely should be added to the list of rivals.

Belgrad13 · Jan 30, 2020

ibbi said:
The above post is dedicated to the memory of Andy Roddick, Jo-Willy Tsonga, Stan Wawrinka, Denis Istomin, and Hyeon Cheung, all who single handedly defeated the Australian Open itself, but were not deemed worthy of remembering.

5 Losers overall. 4 Slams together only

Legend of Borg · Jan 30, 2020

MichaelNadal said:
Im ready for the FO for the news to shift back to Rafa lol. Rafa was the GOAT last month, now its January which is ALWAYS Djokovic's time and we are acting shocked and surprised.

it's storm in a teacup

Rafa is gonna be the slam record holder anyways, I dunno why Djoker fanbase is getting all loud and obnoxious now he's got a mountain to climb to get to 21 (or 22 if Rafa gets there first)

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

StrongRule said:
I really wonder why Djokovic fans like to mention Murray but not Wawrinka who was a much stronger rival. Because Wawrinka actually beat him once? Well, Djokovic still beat him 2 times out of 3.

Murray made 5 finals and 1 more SF where he took Djoker to 5. He's also beaten Fedal at AO. Wawrinka has made 3 SFs ever.

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

Belgrad13 said:
5 Losers overall. 4 Slams together only

They're not losers. They all deserved their wins.
But my thread was about him owning the Big 4, not Chung or Tsonga.

StrongRule · Jan 30, 2020

King No1e said:
Murray made 5 finals and 1 more SF where he took Djoker to 5. He's also beaten Fedal at AO. Wawrinka has made 3 SFs ever.

Wawrinka won the title, better than anything Murray ever achieved at this tournament. And more important thing is that he was just a stronger rival. He should be added to the list.

Do you really think that if I will make a thread about Nadal's record against his rivals in RG then I will mention him beating Murray in 2011 and 2014 semifinals? Of course not. Beating Soderling and Thiem a few times was much more impressive.

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

StrongRule said:
Wawrinka won the title, better than anything Murray ever achieved at this tournament. And more important thing is that he was just a stronger rival. He should be added to the list.

Do you really think that if I will make a thread about Nadal's record against his rivals in RG then I will mention him beating Murray in 2011 and 2014 semifinals? Of course not. Beating Soderling and Thiem a few times was much more impressive.

Murrovic H2H: 25-11
Djokovic Wawrinka H2H: 19-6
It's all the same. Djokovic owns both of them.

kevaninho · Jan 30, 2020

King No1e said:
I thought "Murray deserved an AO, he was soooo unlucky"

Murray very good player. But lets no put him in the same level as Nadal, Fed and Djokovic please.

You've just padded your stat cos he beat Murray half of the times you are referring to as 'dominating' the 3 guys.

MichaelNadal · Jan 30, 2020

Legend of Borg said:
it's storm in a teacup

Rafa is gonna be the slam record holder anyways, I dunno why Djoker fanbase is getting all loud and obnoxious now he's got a mountain to climb to get to 21 (or 22 if Rafa gets there first)

Basically lol, when was Novak ever losing here? I know they have been waiting a while to puff their chests but still.

tudwell · Jan 30, 2020

The things some posters get upset about.

All the OP did was post an extremely impressive record of Djokovic’s. Never said he was the GOAT. Never said it was better than Rafa at the French. And it’s not, but it is extremely impressive. His only loss to any of the Big 3 at the Australian was as a 19-year-old. Crazy dominance. He’s been hit-and-miss there sometimes, going down to “lesser” opponents, but when he makes it deep and plays the best players in the world, he’s pretty much unstoppable.

Ray Mercer · Jan 30, 2020

Djokovic is the best slow hardcourt player of all time. His whole game is about playing like a backboard, consistency and pushing. His return of serve is the best of all time and his consistency from both wings is unreal. On a garbage surface like the AO where attacking players have no chance he dominates. If you look at a true fast surface like Cincinnati he’s only won one title because he can’t backboard his way to a title. The surfaces have completely phased out the aggresive player.

Krish0608 · Jan 30, 2020

MichaelNadal said:
Im ready for the FO for the news to shift back to Rafa lol. Rafa was the GOAT last month, now its January which is ALWAYS Djokovic's time and we are acting shocked and surprised.

Thiem for CYGS.

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

tudwell said:
The things some posters get upset about. All the OP did was post an extremely impressive record of Djokovic’s. Never said he was the GOAT. Never said it was better than Rafa at the French. And it’s not, but it is extremely impressive. His only loss to any of the Big 3 at the Australian was as a 19-year-old. Crazy dominance. He’s been hit-and-miss there sometimes, going down to “lesser” opponents, but when he makes it deep and plays the best players in the world, he’s pretty much unstoppable.

Thank you. I hate how whenever someone posts stats about Big 3, there's always an unspoken GOAT argument in there.

Let me be clear for this thread: this was NOT intended to prove Djokovic is the GOAT over Fedal. I just wanted to post some insane stats and remind everyone that Djokovic at AO is #Epic.

MichaelNadal · Jan 30, 2020

King No1e said:
Thank you. I hate how whenever someone posts stats about Big 3, there's always an unspoken GOAT argument in there.

Let me be clear for this thread: this was NOT intended to prove Djokovic is the GOAT over Fedal. I just wanted to post some insane stats and remind everyone that Djokovic at AO is #Epic.

Use another word

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil · Jan 30, 2020

Shows stats vs Big 4.

Good old TTW - OMG such cherry picking, why didn't you include Stans, Roddicks, Tsongas...

He is dominant at AO when you look at it from any angle. And the fact that singling out his record against his greatest three rivals is considered cherry picking now shows that as well.

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

MichaelNadal said:
Use another word

Earth's Mightiest

ibbi · Jan 30, 2020

Belgrad13 said:
5 Losers overall. 4 Slams together only

5 different 'losers' who all managed to beat this guy at his favourite tournament during his championship years.

ibbi · Jan 30, 2020

King No1e said:
They're not losers. They all deserved their wins.
But my thread was about him owning the Big 4, not Chung or Tsonga.

But again, why does your OP include a result on green set or whatever the hell it's called, but not rebound ace? Is 11-1 that ugly to look at?

Incognito · Jan 30, 2020

ibbi said:
The above post is dedicated to the memory of Andy Roddick, Jo-Willy Tsonga, Stan Wawrinka, Denis Istomin, and Hyeon Cheung, all who single handedly defeated the Australian Open itself, but were not deemed worthy of remembering.

safin?

ibbi · Jan 30, 2020

Incognito said:
safin?

This thread suggests that results didn't count until 2008.

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

ibbi said:
But again, why does your OP include a result on green set or whatever the hell it's called, but not rebound ace? Is 11-1 that ugly to look at?

Just checked the web about greenset, I stand corrected. I thought it was just a different brand name for the same material, but it really is a different surface.
10-0 on Plexi AO then. 11-1 overall.

King No1e · Jan 30, 2020

ibbi said:
This thread suggests that results didn't count until 2008.

Weak era

/s

Incognito · Jan 30, 2020

ibbi said:
This thread suggests that results didn't count until 2008.

But they always say Djokovic is Nadal’s contemporary. Every loss Nadal had since 2004 counts. Why shouldn’t Djokovic?

Belgrad13 · Jan 30, 2020

ibbi said:
5 different 'losers' who all managed to beat this guy at his favourite tournament during his championship years.

Moments. No more.

King No1e · May 10, 2020

ibbi said:
The above post is dedicated to the memory of Andy Roddick, Jo-Willy Tsonga, Stan Wawrinka, Denis Istomin, and Hyeon Cheung, all who single handedly defeated the Australian Open itself, but were not deemed worthy of remembering.

Only Wawrinka did that.

Deleted member 768841 · May 10, 2020

King No1e said:
Nadal is 14-1 at RG vs the Big 4

Nadal 2014-2016 is the equivalency of the European dark ages for Nadal.

BeatlesFan · May 10, 2020

King No1e said:
Unprecedented. Unmatched. Untouchable.

No it isn't. Look at the players Sampras beat at Wimbledon in all rounds, many of them ATG's. And on a surface far more difficult to master than the AO. The hyperbole here is off the charts. Mastering super fast, slick grass is a helluva lot more difficult than mastering medium slow to agonizing slow AO surface since 2008.

King No1e · May 10, 2020

Tennis sprew said:
Nadal 2014-2016 is the equivalency of the European dark ages for Nadal.

"He bleeds?"

King No1e · May 10, 2020

BeatlesFan said:
No it isn't. Look at the players Sampras beat at Wimbledon in all rounds, many of them ATG's. And on a surface far more difficult to master than the AO. The hyperbole here is off the charts. Mastering super fast, slick grass is a helluva lot more difficult than mastering medium slow to agonizing slow AO surface since 2008.

Not if you have a cannon for a serve.

mike danny · May 10, 2020

King No1e said:
Murray made 5 finals and 1 more SF where he took Djoker to 5. He's also beaten Fedal at AO. Wawrinka has made 3 SFs ever.

Stan > Murray at AO.

mike danny · May 10, 2020

StrongRule said:
Wawrinka won the title, better than anything Murray ever achieved at this tournament. And more important thing is that he was just a stronger rival. He should be added to the list.

Do you really think that if I will make a thread about Nadal's record against his rivals in RG then I will mention him beating Murray in 2011 and 2014 semifinals? Of course not. Beating Soderling and Thiem a few times was much more impressive.

I think the win over 2011 Murray was more impressive than any win over Thiem.

NoleFam · May 10, 2020

BeatlesFan said:
No it isn't. Look at the players Sampras beat at Wimbledon in all rounds, many of them ATG's. And on a surface far more difficult to master than the AO. The hyperbole here is off the charts. Mastering super fast, slick grass is a helluva lot more difficult than mastering medium slow to agonizing slow AO surface since 2008.

Mastering faster grass is a lot less grueling than mastering a slower surface since there are virtually no rallies. If mastering slow/medium was so easy then why did Sampras only have 2 AO's to Agassi's 4 although he was the dominant player of their era?

StrongRule · May 11, 2020

mike danny said:
I think the win over 2011 Murray was more impressive than any win over Thiem.

I disagree. The wins over Thiem in 2018 and 2019 were definitely more impressive.

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