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There are so many hard court and clay court masters, but shouldn't there be a re-scheduling and put a Masters on grass before Wimbledon, with Wimbledon being the pinnacle of the Slams?
Spain has Valencia, Barcelona (one of the biggest non MS tourneys), and MS Madrid. Why can't England have a grass Master Series ?I don't think any city that already has a major should also have a masters (Paris), so that leaves out Queen's club.
Tennis is a global sport. There should be another masters in Asia (Tokyo would be good) and at least one in Latin America.
It's not about England. London already has Wimbledon, and Queen's Club is also in London. Now if you want Sheffield to be a Master's it's a different story. But I think Tennis is mishandling it's global popularity by putting all the big tournaments in N. America and Europe.Spain has Valencia, Barcelona (one of the biggest non MS tourneys), and MS Madrid. Why can't England have a grass Master Series ?
What is the problem with having a Major and a Slam anyway? If Paris has them, why can't London?
Latin America doesn't have the money or the infrastructure to have a Master Series. Otherwise, they would have done it already
Latin America certainly does have the infrastructure for a masters. If they can host an Olympics and a World Cup, they can host a masters. Are you going to tell me Asia only has one masters because they don't have the infrastructure for more?
The bottom line is that there is nothing special about a hard court tournament in Asia. The game was developed, and perhaps invented, in England, on grass.
First off, there need to be WAY more grass court tournaments. The only reason hard courts even exist was to bring tennis to the masses who can't afford country club dues. Since when do the professional ranks need to cut costs? Since when can the pros not afford grass courts?
It's depolorable what's happened to grass. There should be equal numbers of Masters events on all the surfaces, including grass. Instead, we have two of the few grass events occurring at the same time, which sucks.
There really is no grass season at all. This is an abomination to the sport, to players, and fans.
The bottom line is that there is nothing special about a hard court tournament in Asia. The game was developed, and perhaps invented, in England, on grass.
First off, there need to be WAY more grass court tournaments. The only reason hard courts even exist was to bring tennis to the masses who can't afford country club dues. Since when do the professional ranks need to cut costs? Since when can the pros not afford grass courts?
It's depolorable what's happened to grass. There should be equal numbers of Masters events on all the surfaces, including grass. Instead, we have two of the few grass events occurring at the same time, which sucks.
There really is no grass season at all. This is an abomination to the sport, to players, and fans.
I agree with everything you've said, and I think a masters tournament, in Tokyo, on grass, would be a great idea.
Tennis has a lot of potential that it is wasting. People all over the world play it, yet 99% of the matches are played in Europe or the US. Formula 1 has expanded to Japan and Malaysia I think. There used to be an F1 race in Mexico City.
The two most global sports are soccer and tennis, but tennis, while holding events in many countries, continues to reserve its most prestigious events for the West. They were smart for giving Shanghai the ATP championships and they've agreed to give Shanghai a permanent masters too. But this should be only the beginning.
I look at it this way:
London, Paris, New York, and Melbourne have a giant tennis tourney every year called a major. There is a second tier of important tourneys called "masters", and these masters should be played in the great cities of the world, that do not already have a major.
So the majors would be played in places like Tokyo, Shanghai, Rome, Madrid or Barcelona, Toronto or Montreal, Los Angeles, Miami, Mexico City or Buenos Aires or Rio de Janeiro, Monte Carlo, Munich or Berlin.
That makes 10 Masters tournaments, plus 4 majors. A top 30 player could choose to only play those 14 tournaments all year and have nothing to complain about as far as over-scheduling.
I agree with everything you've said, and I think a masters tournament, in Tokyo, on grass, would be a great idea.
Tennis has a lot of potential that it is wasting. People all over the world play it, yet 99% of the matches are played in Europe or the US. Formula 1 has expanded to Japan and Malaysia I think. There used to be an F1 race in Mexico City.
The two most global sports are soccer and tennis, but tennis, while holding events in many countries, continues to reserve its most prestigious events for the West. They were smart for giving Shanghai the ATP championships and they've agreed to give Shanghai a permanent masters too. But this should be only the beginning.
I look at it this way:
London, Paris, New York, and Melbourne have a giant tennis tourney every year called a major. There is a second tier of important tourneys called "masters", and these masters should be played in the great cities of the world, that do not already have a major.
So the majors would be played in places like Tokyo, Shanghai, Rome, Madrid or Barcelona, Toronto or Montreal, Los Angeles, Miami, Mexico City or Buenos Aires or Rio de Janeiro, Monte Carlo, Munich or Berlin.
(if it were me I would get rid of the Canadian tournament, and give it to Johannesburg.)
That makes 10 Masters tournaments, plus 4 majors. A top 30 player could choose to only play those 14 tournaments all year and have nothing to complain about as far as over-scheduling.
I agree with all people who voted 'yes', there must be a Grass Masters before Wimbledon to complete the grass season
I think all the seasons must be equal on number of tournaments, every surface must have one event of each type: Challengers, ATP's, One or Two Masters Series and One Grand Slam. We're the fans, we want a grass Masters Series!
Maybe we must write a letter to Etienne De Villiers about this, he'll understand us :lol:
BAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah when pigs fly
move roland garos up earlier to leave more time for grass
there is gonna be clay tournament cuts already why not move the french too
and whoever voted no is indeed a "clay n@zi"
I agree there should be a masters on grass, but I don't think getting rid of the Canadian masters is the right solution. Last year's attendance in Montreal was 173k people, which is a world record for a one-week tournament.(if it were me I would get rid of the Canadian tournament, and give it to Johannesburg.)
Dear Sir Etienne De Villiers....TW, General Pro Player Discussion Sub Forum (<< Joke).
Agreed, I love the Canadian Masters. It was in Toronto last year though, I was there and it was one of the best tennis events I have been to outside the slams.I agree there should be a masters on grass, but I don't think getting rid of the Canadian masters is the right solution. Last year's attendance in Montreal was 173k people, which is a world record for a one-week tournament.
they should have 8 masters series and 4 slams. 2 masters series and 1 slam on each surface.
they should have 8 masters series and 4 slams. 2 masters series and 1 slam on each surface.
There are so many hard court and clay court masters, but shouldn't there be a re-scheduling and put a Masters on grass before Wimbledon, with Wimbledon being the pinnacle of the Slams?
Seriously, I think that's the best idea we've had yet. If only the people at the ATP actually cared what fans thought and didn't think they knew what we wanted better than we do.
they should have 8 masters series and 4 slams. 2 masters series and 1 slam on each surface.
the possible schedule according to the dude that posted above me regarding the 8 MS and 4 slams. Slight change being that thee is 9 AMS with 1 leading to Shanghai. Players must play a mandatory one AMS before every slam.
This is just the masters series on the schedule - other tournaments placed inbetween on the same surface EG: Dubai, Doha, Zagreb etc. Some tournaments like indoors hard and carpet etc should be used to fill gaps so that the slams and the AMS's can be played at that countries near-optimum temperature.
A weeks break after every slam before *ANY* tournament is played, even filler tournies like Zagreb. Couldnt think of a way to seperate the AMS'.
*Start of year*
*Filler tournies such as Doha, Dubai*
AMS Indian Wells
AMS Miami
Aussie Open
*break - with filler clay tournies such as Stuttgart and Barcelona*
AMS Monte Carlo
AMS Rome
[Roland Garros
*break with filler tournies such as Nottingham and that American grass tourney*
AMS Queens
AMS Halle
Wimbledon
*break with filler hard court tournies like Washington etc*
AMS Canada
AMS Cincy
US Open
*break, indoor fillers like Zagreb and Rotterdam*
AMS Madrid
*break*
Shanghai (or wherever the hell the Masters Cup is)
Anyone wanna make any modifications?
Don't flame too much
It's not about England. London already has Wimbledon, and Queen's Club is also in London. Now if you want Sheffield to be a Master's it's a different story. But I think Tennis is mishandling it's global popularity by putting all the big tournaments in N. America and Europe.
Why not South Africa ?I don't think any city that already has a major should also have a masters (Paris), so that leaves out Queen's club.
Tennis is a global sport. There should be another masters in Asia (Tokyo would be good) and at least one in Latin America.
*Start of year*
*Filler tournies such as Doha, Dubai*
AMS Indian Wells
AMS Miami
Aussie Open
*break - with filler clay tournies such as Stuttgart and Barcelona*
AMS Monte Carlo
AMS Rome
[Roland Garros
*break with filler tournies such as Nottingham and that American grass tourney*
AMS Queens
AMS Halle
Wimbledon
*break with filler hard court tournies like Washington etc*
AMS Canada
AMS Cincy
US Open
*break, indoor fillers like Zagreb and Rotterdam*
AMS Madrid
*break*
Shanghai (or wherever the hell the Masters Cup is)
Anyone wanna make any modifications?
Don't flame too much