MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Ferrer peaked in the wrong era.
Facts lol
Ferrer peaked in the wrong era.
gotta be honest, didnt even catch the Tsits match
how bad was it?
how many MPs missed?
gotta be honest, didnt even catch the Tsits match
how bad was it?
how many MPs missed?
6 lol. 40-0 too. On serve..
that is the dankest of memes
truly the most blessed score
all hail the Diamond age
Ferrer peaked in the wrong era.
6 lol. 40-0 too. On serve..
Well, "All Time Great" is an artificial category and people who care for it go only by numbers anyway. So since some day the Big 3 will retire and somebody has to win then, some of those weak Next Gen players will win 5 or 6 Slams and therefore become an ATG by default.Tsits is supposed to be the next great? Yeah right.
Never want to hear how Fed had it easy.
Djoker has it as easy as it gets.
Trash tennis being played. No All Time Greats present except for Djoker.
You have to rate tennis now against itself. No sane person is arguing that Novak is anything else but an obvious ATG. That's not the problem. He is either continuing to evolve (I actually believe that is so) or the others are just getting weaker, but the distance between him and the rest is almost absurd now. It's a lot like Nadal at RG. Or explain how Fed did what he did in 2017. If the top players are evolving or at least able to keep an amazing level as they age, where are the others?There is a great comedy value in claims that Djokovic has/had it easy. If you take time machine and put Tonight's Tsistipas in 2005, the question is whether he would lose a match for the season; players playing then had obvious technical faults. Coric vs Tsitsipas was an extraordinary match; the level of play in this USO is incredible.
This is ridiculous.
Tsits is supposed to be the next great? Yeah right.
Never want to hear how Fed had it easy.
Djoker has it as easy as it gets.
Trash tennis being played. No All Time Greats present except for Djoker.
Djoker is two or three tiers above what we are seeing.
Tennis is in deep deep trouble.
Fed fans in ruins...This is ridiculous.
Tsits is supposed to be the next great? Yeah right.
Never want to hear how Fed had it easy.
Djoker has it as easy as it gets.
Trash tennis being played. No All Time Greats present except for Djoker.
Djoker is two or three tiers above what we are seeing.
Tennis is in deep deep trouble.
Interesting read, I have deep respect for the doctor and scientist!
Berdych would win slems in this era.
Tragic.
The Nextgen's level is almost there, just the consistency is a joke
You have to rate tennis now against itself. No sane person is arguing that Novak is anything else but an obvious ATG. That's not the problem. He is either continuing to evolve (I actually believe that is so), but the distance between him and the rest is almost absurd now. It's a lot like Nadal at RG. Or explain how Fed did what he did in 2017. If the top players are evolving or at least able to keep an amazing level as they age, where are the others?
"Slay"It really is a bit ridiculous how weak the NextGen are. Fed and Nadal have benefitted from it too, but it's almost 2021!! Come on guys, wake up! Literally no one has broken through the big 4 generation except Stan. At this rate Djokovic will be winning slams in 2027.
Damn, you ruined thread, again...Slams won without beating one of the 3 highest ranked opponents:
Federer 10
Djokovic 0
Or even on any grass really.Fast grass matches had the best W-UE ratios but apparently it's disgusting servebotting, no? Not how it works pal...
It really is a bit ridiculous how weak the NextGen are. Fed and Nadal have benefitted from it too, but it's almost 2021!! Come on guys, wake up! Literally no one has broken through the big 4 generation except Stan. At this rate Djokovic will be winning slams in 2027.
I wouldn't call that "passing"...One thing 2020 has shown is, is there's absolutely no way Djokovic isn't passing Fed.
He's probably lacking in endurance as compared to some years back but his mindset is stronger than its ever been and he's still quick as a cat and lazer focused. Plus even 39 year old Federer would wipe out all these guys on Djoker's side of the draw. These are mostly just clowns and losers taking up space.The saddest part is, Djoker is visibly past his peak and yet he is still mopping the field.
Just hand him his fourth USO title already.
Stan didn’t really break through the Big 4. he got luck with draws, peaked for three slams and happens to be a tough match-up for Djokovic.
Luck with draws???Stan didn’t really break through the Big 4. he got luck with draws, peaked for three slams and happens to be a tough match-up for Djokovic.
Fed fans: NOvak you can't just beat chumps like Fed early on and break His recordsThis is ridiculous.
Tsits is supposed to be the next great? Yeah right.
Never want to hear how Fed had it easy.
Djoker has it as easy as it gets.
Trash tennis being played. No All Time Greats present except for Djoker.
Djoker is two or three tiers above what we are seeing.
Tennis is in deep deep trouble.
That's why I wrote 'grueling rallies'..It was not some Raonic/Federer/Karlovic/Isner hitting aces or with 1-2 punches. Despite tlong rallies, the W/UE is positive (even excluding the aces for both).Fast grass matches had the best W-UE ratios but apparently it's disgusting servebotting, no? Not how it works pal...
Wait For Super Meddy boy and Ultra Tiger Timmy to save the dayThis is ridiculous.
Tsits is supposed to be the next great? Yeah right.
Never want to hear how Fed had it easy.
Djoker has it as easy as it gets.
Trash tennis being played. No All Time Greats present except for Djoker.
Djoker is two or three tiers above what we are seeing.
Tennis is in deep deep trouble.
Also we’ve got a pair of 21 year olds already in the 4R with Shapovalov and Davidovich Fokina. 23 year olds Zverev and Coric also in the 4R.Coric is like 1 year older than Tsitsipas and honesty has had better slam results than Stefanos has.
Tsitsipas really has done nothing at the slams since that Aus Open SF. He’s like what Zverev was. Good at B03, **** at B05.
You have lasted for a long time here.The 2010-2014 Berdych would have a good shot at beating any of the big 3 and winning a Slam title.
My question then,One thing 2020 has shown is, is there's absolutely no way Djokovic isn't passing Fed.
broTsitsipas was beaten by another emerging young player with fantastic potential. Coric reminds me of a young Djokovic. The NextGen are still early in their careers and have not reached their peak/prime. Consistency will come with time.
They can play amazing tennis. Watch the FAA v Rublev 2020 Adelaide semi (if you have TChan access). What. a. match.their peak level is crap too
You have lasted for a long time here.
That's why I wrote 'grueling rallies'..It was not some Raonic/Federer/Karlovic/Isner hitting aces or with 1-2 punches. Despite tlong rallies, the W/UE is positive (even excluding the aces for both).
Lets face it if Federer won it today like that, same people would be writing about high quality tennis at such an age. It would already be declared as the best match of 2020.
There will be euphoria all around.
Twitter will be full of video clips of those saved BP/MP (oh wait they already did it for Shanghai 2019 match against Zverev)
There would be people getting emotional about saved match points (oh wait they already did against Sandgren).
But hey, here we have two next gen players doing it who dont fit their agenda and thus the tennis played is 'crap'
I don't disagree. I watched some highlights tonight, and I saw a lot of Fed stuff, slice backhands, slice dinks. Other stuff. This is amazing evolution by the Big 3, because they are all looking to improve, never just coasting. I give credit to all of them, but let's credit Murray his amazing effort in the year he reached #1, and what Wawrinka did was equally amazing.Dear Gary, thank you for your comments.
In my opinion, Djokovic is dramatically improving; he never served better, sliced better, volleyed better, hitting overheads better; hitting forehand better. There is added layer of Federer's game in his game now; he looks like a next stage in game evolution. However, other players are doing the same thing as well. Thiem, Tsitsipas, RBA and other have attained incredible heights, and, for me, when I look their technique they are miles ahead of previous generations. This is also the reason why Djokovic have problems when playing with them (RBA, Thiem etc.; with current level he would annihilate previous fields). It is my honest opinion that the best Wimbledon version of Federer is the one in 2019. People say Djokovic played poorly, I say Federer made him to look like that.
Best wishes
Tennis will always produce good matches, but currently it doesn't produce the rivalries that make it great and which are the stuff of which consists the fiber of the ATGs. The next ATG should have been here around 2014. Anyone oblivious to that situation should know that he is bending backwards to avoid the reality.
There is a great comedy value in claims that Djokovic has/had it easy. If you take time machine and put Tonight's Tsistipas in 2005, the question is whether he would lose a match for the season; players playing then had obvious technical faults. Coric vs Tsitsipas was an extraordinary match; the level of play in this USO is incredible.
I don't disagree. I watched some highlights tonight, and I saw a lot of Fed stuff, slice backhands, slice dinks. Other stuff. This is amazing evolution by the Big 3, because they are all looking to improve, never just coasting. I give credit to all of them, but let's credit Murray his amazing effort in the year he reached #1, and what Wawrinka did was equally amazing.
However, I think it's also fair to keep careful watch on the younger guys. Because if they only step up after the Big 3 are all over 35, which of course would make the others 36 and 41, then that just points out that there is a lag. Then we will never be able to say those who finally get slams are in that same category. When the Big 3 are that old they will start to lose just because they are all too old to win, or get injured. I think it's fair to ask why no one younger can step up even when you have the so called lost generation pushing 30.
Err no professor, you're are being biased that it's funny.
Can you exactly provide me numbers which indicate Tsitsipas will not lose?
Let me start, Serve speed: Tsitsipas flirts from 120-140 mph range.
Nothing beyond Federer, Roddick,Safin and plethora of other players. Actually people like Roddick used to average higher that Tsitsipas.
Now,as per Cincy graphics, Tsitsipas FH RPM was in high 2000s. (Around 2900s)
Federer,Roddick,Nadal,Gonzolez even Ancic from that era has been clocked at higher averages at lower 3000s throughout a match and for Nadal and Federer mid to high 3000s. For Nadal against Mathieu in RG 2006, It was 3700s for a set.
Tsitsipas averages 78-85 mph on his strokes, which is something Blake, Safin,Roddick, occasionally Federer, e.t.c could easily do.(I will have to look up for graphics for this one but I think at one of YEC, probably 2007 they actively showed the average speeds)
Nadal,Federer,Gaudio,Coria,Hewitt defended better than Tsitsipas. (Not based on numbers but not debatable imo)
Federer, Nadal, Agassi,Hewitt returned better than Tsitsipas (higher RPW)
And as for mental clutchness, there were several better players.
This is off the top of my head.
Waiting for your numbers proffesor.
Err what?Have a great day and life.
Best wishes