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We’ve all been there.Yes ... decelerate NO ... boost thru contact NO ... follow through YES.
What do you mean by “boost?”
We’ve all been there.Yes ... decelerate NO ... boost thru contact NO ... follow through YES.
We’ve all been there.
What do you mean by “boost?”
We’ve all been there.
What do you mean by “boost?”
the simple answer that will really help here is to understand not to accelerate too much, too early.....I notice that.
When I see a ball set up too nice, too good not to smack it with forehand, I swing at it with much more acceleration than average, I tend to frame it!!!
I remember telling myself to look at the ball longer, to keep the shape of the swing nice and correct and everything.
So how do pro's accelerate their rackets, ie hitting winners, and never frame the shots? What's the check list for this?
That's interesting, can you point me to a video of you hitting some rallies so I can see this technique in action?Disclaimer: I am a ttw "armless FH" heretic ... but my ttw brothers like me anyway.
The short version is I don't buy the monkey drum analogy of slinging the arm rope from body rotation.
I think the pro FH ... say Fed ... has two phases:
1) initial torso/shoulder rotation ... little arm muscles doing little other than maintaining arm structure ... hand travels with shoulder line
2) second phase ... arm muscling to significantly add rhs (boost) to the moderate speed torso/shoulder rotation provided
... add 3 phase around hand if ATP flip.
Not a coach ... just read ttw posts and watch a lot of pro FH slow motion video.
Pro ATP FH words on this forum ... 1 trillion ... no two members agree with each other
Good luck getting BBP's video.That's interesting, can you point me to a video of you hitting some rallies so I can see this technique in action?
Very good point that people across all levels overlook. Here’s a very good examplepractice.
If you practice mostly rally balls and you mostly hit rally balls. Then you want to hit a slap-shot winner, you're timing is off. All your references are off. You have no muscle-memory to prepare for and hit that shot.
Well, I went out to hit today, and, upon arrival I said “I’m not even going to try that crap that guy in the video was talking about.” Started hitting the ball pretty, prettyyyyy, pretttyyy, pretty well (sorry) but some sailed a bit. “Ok, I’ll try it, see what happens.” The first ball had completely different shape. Well, it turns out, when I drop feed, I accelerate from the get-go. That is why I always had success from drop feeds. When the ball is hit to me, or the machine pitches me one, I let gravity start the racquet down from furthest take-back spot and then flip and accelerate. Not as good. I guess I am not beyond getting help yet. Thanks!Disclaimer: I am a ttw "armless FH" heretic ... but my ttw brothers like me anyway.
The short version is I don't buy the monkey drum analogy of slinging the arm rope from body rotation.
I think the pro FH ... say Fed ... has two phases:
1) initial torso/shoulder rotation ... little arm muscles doing little other than maintaining arm structure ... hand travels with shoulder line
2) second phase ... arm muscling to significantly add rhs (boost) to the moderate speed torso/shoulder rotation provided
... add 3 phase around hand if ATP flip.
Not a coach ... just read ttw posts and watch a lot of pro FH slow motion video.
Pro ATP FH words on this forum ... 1 trillion ... no two members agree with each other
He did post his videos.Good luck getting BBP's video.
That's interesting, can you point me to a video of you hitting some rallies so I can see this technique in action?
He did post his videos.
Yeah ... take that @user92626 ... a 60 year old hitting crap FHs an hour after Thankgiving meal. Epic!!! 25 FHs hit ... 25 in the court ... no shanks.
Where are said vidoes please? I am curious mainly about the part about "hitting the crap out of" vs "hitting crap" FHs
I was going to say that, but you beat me to it. The difficulty of speeding up a "low to high" swing is one of the reasons it pays to generate topspin from (laugh, here goes) ISR immediately before and through contact. It's harder to learn but easier to time when changing swing speed.Regarding this OP framing phenomenon ... did anyone mention the steep low to high thingy combined with the fast rhs thingy? That's when Fed does it ... once a year.
I was going to say that, but you beat me to it. The difficulty of speeding up a "low to high" swing is one of the reasons it pays to generate topspin from (laugh, here goes) ISR immediately before and through contact. It's harder to learn but easier to time when changing swing speed.
Thanks.
That's a new concept for me. So i think in all likelihood that is the culprit because I swear I tried to look at the ball harder, longer, keep my head steadier, pace well, keep the form right. It's frustrating.
Alright, back to the drawing table!!
Hope all’s well with you too. I figured out the source of my framing problem a while back, but fixing it’s proven to be more difficult than I had hoped.
'Eyes on contact' is not possible. I don't know why we keep talking about this. You can't see contact (unless you are just gently tapping a very slow ball very slowly).things that make me frame when accelerating hard...
* over rotating
* not keepin g eyes on contact (head jerks up moving me off swing plane)
* popping up (vs. staying down) - which moves me off the proper swing plane
* not stayhing in balance (which makes it hard to stay on the proper swing path)
* being too tense (taking me off proper swing path)
'Eyes on contact' is not possible. I don't know why we keep talking about this. You can't see contact (unless you are just gently tapping a very slow ball very slowly).
There's a guy we play with who frames the ball a lot. He uses Wilson Clash 100 racquets. 9/10 frame shots of his stay in play. Wilson Clash is the GOAT shank racquet.Thanks, everyone.
I just came back from a match where I lost, guess what, by framing too many shots. Even my friend commented about it. We went to a TB and a handful of framing really destroyed my chance.
I'm gonna take notes of everything you guys said.
But in the meantime I think i"m gonna learn how to play like a MEP. Gosh, so depressing. MEPs seem happy and oblivious to opponent's pain.
Wow..this might be it. I frame half his number and im using Wilson Burn.There's a guy we play with who frames the ball a lot. He uses Wilson Clash 100 racquets. 9/10 frame shots of his stay in play. Wilson Clash is the GOAT shank racquet.
whatever works for you... there's a reason fed's eeyes appear focused on contact all the time. cerntainly helps me to keep my eyes focused on contact.'Eyes on contact' is not possible. I don't know why we keep talking about this. You can't see contact (unless you are just gently tapping a very slow ball very slowly).