Now TTW give Dominic Thiem his due: He deserved the USO And He is here to stay at the very top.

ForehandCross · Nov 21, 2020

WTF F ,AO F, USO W, WTF F.

This man has done better than all in the important HC events

He beat Rafa AND Djokovic here. And he should have straight setted them both.

And yes Novak wasn't himself but he wasn't himself even in Cincinnati. No way he is 100% to beat Thiem.

Nadal played as well as he can on HC and lost in straights.

Thiem also beat the the Defending WTF Champ for good measure.

3loudboys · Nov 21, 2020

Are you watching @thomasferrett ?

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He's done good.
But he does need to win the final to really quieten the critics.

Tennis_Freak99 · Nov 21, 2020

If he beats Nadal in the Final, then sure he has it. No excuses to bend over again

TheNachoMan · Nov 21, 2020

He’s in his physical prime. It should be nothing but expected for this to happen

abmk · Nov 21, 2020

better than anyone else in the fail gen or new gen (atleast so far). A pretty good season. But level of play is nothing special - not approaching ATG level. Should've closed out Djokovic in 2 sets today.

Poisoned Slice · Nov 21, 2020

Fair play to the lad.

Meles Fan. · Nov 21, 2020

Hope he wins the final

HetTheGreaterer · Nov 21, 2020

3loudboys said:
Are you watching @thomasferrett ?

Powderpuff strokes

Dominic & Andrey · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
better than anyone else in the fail gen or new gen (atleast so far). A pretty good season. But level of play is nothing special - not approaching ATG level. Should've closed out Djokovic in 2 sets today.

ATG? What does that mean?

3loudboys · Nov 21, 2020

HetTheGreaterer said:
Powderpuff strokes

I thought he was holding back

abmk · Nov 21, 2020

Dominic & Andrey said:
ATG? What does that mean?

all time great

Lew II · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
better than anyone else in the fail gen or new gen (atleast so far). A pretty good season. But level of play is nothing special - not approaching ATG level. Should've closed out Djokovic in 2 sets today.

Thiem combines the speed of Hewitt, the power of Roddick and the shotmaking of Safin.

3loudboys · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
all time great

alternatively Austrian Tennis God.

Rebel-I.N.S · Nov 21, 2020

TheNachoMan said:
He’s in his physical prime. It should be nothing but expected for this to happen

This.

Poisoned Slice · Nov 21, 2020

Deleted member 770948 · Nov 21, 2020

I don't think anybody thought Zverev deserved the US Open more than Thiem.
And I've always said Djokovic deserved to be punished for many years of poor behavior.

Deleted member 775898 · Nov 21, 2020

I still think and hope he will choke the tomorrow's final.

Poisoned Slice · Nov 21, 2020

Well done, my friend.

@Meles

weakera · Nov 21, 2020

I wouldn't really say he deserved a USO, he deserved "this" USO but it's hard to call it a legitimate title when the top two contenders basically didn't play.

And last year he beat Djokovic at WTF too, and had a better result at RG.

So... yes, he's a top player, but IMO his status was the same last season - a top player, a tier below Nadalovic.

abmk · Nov 21, 2020

Lew II said:
Thiem combines the speed of Hewitt, the power of Roddick and the shotmaking of Safin.

What next? Dimitrov is the next Federer, Nishikori the next Djokovic?

Thiem is a step slower than prime Hewitt, doesn't come close to Roddick's serve and doesn't come close to shotmaking of Safin.

prime Hewitt, Roddick, Safin would've wiped the floor with today's Novak.
Heck Safin on his worst surface thrashed him in Wim 08 (Djokovic was better in 08 than current). Roddick beat him many times and leads h2h 5-4.

But then again, Djokovic&Nadal been so lucky since the WorstGen (Raonic, Nishikori, Dimitrov) and with this new gen who aren't even on the level of Hewitt/Roddick/Safin/Murray/Wawrinka so far, let alone ATG level of Edberg/Becker/Wilander.

That has never happened. Such a big gap without a younger ATG.

HetTheGreaterer · Nov 21, 2020

3loudboys said:
I thought he was holding back

You got me there

Red Rick · Nov 21, 2020

ForehandCross said:
WTF F ,AO F, USO W, WTF F.

This man has done better than all in the important HC events

He beat Rafa AND Djokovic here. And he should have straight setted them both.

And yes Novak wasn't himself but he wasn't himself even in Cincinnati. No way he is 100% to beat Thiem.

Nadal played as well as he can on HC and lost in straights.

Thiem also beat the the Defending WTF Champ for good measure.

Wait he beat Djokovic at a Slam now?

TheNachoMan · Nov 21, 2020

Poisoned Slice said:
Well done, my friend.

@Meles

Damn, Sascha looks DAPPER there.

Dominic & Andrey · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
all time great

But how can you measure this ATG level? It's very subjective

abmk · Nov 21, 2020

Dominic & Andrey said:
But how can you measure this ATG level? It's very subjective

Its subjective and yet can be seen easily. An ATG level guy doesn't play that poorly in a slam final vs a first time slammer for nearly 2 sets and then cramp towards the end/hit only bh slices. I'm giving Thiem leeway for 2017 RG semi vs Nadal, but he played below par in 18 final and didn't do anywhere near enough after 2 sets in RG 2019 final.
Also an ATG level guy would've probably wrestled that AO 2020 final from djokovic after being up 2 sets to 1.

UnderratedSlam · Nov 21, 2020

ForehandCross said:
WTF F ,AO F, USO W, WTF F.

This man has done better than all in the important HC events

He beat Rafa AND Djokovic here. And he should have straight setted them both.

And yes Novak wasn't himself but he wasn't himself even in Cincinnati. No way he is 100% to beat Thiem.

Nadal played as well as he can on HC and lost in straights.

Thiem also beat the the Defending WTF Champ for good measure.

The Rafa match could easily have gone in 3 sets. Rafa was up 5-2 in the 1st tie-break.

Im(moral) Winner · Nov 21, 2020

Red Rick said:
Wait he beat Djokovic at a Slam now?

Twice

RS · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
Its subjective and yet can be seen easily. An ATG level guy doesn't play that poorly in a slam final vs a first time slammer for nearly 2 sets and then cramp towards the end/hit only bh slices. I'm giving Thiem leeway for 2017 RG semi vs Nadal, but he played below par in 18 final and didn't do anywhere near enough after 2 sets in RG 2019 final.
Also an ATG level guy would've probably wrestled that AO 2020 final from djokovic after being up 2 sets to 1.

You keep talking about ATG level when many many of Federer slam wins were not against ATGs or "playing like ATG" and he was the only ATG in his gen.

SinneGOAT · Nov 21, 2020

Meh. Not really.

lim · Nov 21, 2020

Timmy v Dannyboy rematch of uso sf

Third Serve · Nov 21, 2020

A very nice season for him, all things considered.

mike danny · Nov 21, 2020

ForehandCross said:
WTF F ,AO F, USO W, WTF F.

This man has done better than all in the important HC events

He beat Rafa AND Djokovic here. And he should have straight setted them both.

And yes Novak wasn't himself but he wasn't himself even in Cincinnati. No way he is 100% to beat Thiem.

Nadal played as well as he can on HC and lost in straights.

Thiem also beat the the Defending WTF Champ for good measure.

He has one more match to win.

UnderratedSlam · Nov 21, 2020

Third Serve said:
A very nice season for him, all things considered.

An understatement.

Are you English by any chance?

Dominic & Andrey · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
Its subjective and yet can be seen easily. An ATG level guy doesn't play that poorly in a slam final vs a first time slammer for nearly 2 sets and then cramp towards the end/hit only bh slices. I'm giving Thiem leeway for 2017 RG semi vs Nadal, but he played below par in 18 final and didn't do anywhere near enough after 2 sets in RG 2019 final.
Also an ATG level guy would've probably wrestled that AO 2020 final from djokovic after being up 2 sets to 1.

Yeah I got it, honestly I don't really care I just want Thiem to win slams soon , ATG or not

abmk · Nov 21, 2020

RS said:
You keep talking about ATG level when many many of Federer slams wins were not against ATGs or "playing like ATG" and he was the only ATG in his gen.

Read where it started from, especially the bold part.

abmk said:
What next? Dimitrov is the next Federer, Nishikori the next Djokovic?

Thiem is a step slower than prime Hewitt, doesn't come close to Roddick's serve and doesn't come close to shotmaking of Safin.

prime Hewitt, Roddick, Safin would've wiped the floor with today's Novak.
Heck Safin on his worst surface thrashed him in Wim 08 (Djokovic was better in 08 than current). Roddick beat him many times and leads h2h 5-4.

But then again, Djokovic&Nadal been so lucky since the WorstGen (Raonic, Nishikori, Dimitrov) and with this new gen who aren't even on the level of Hewitt/Roddick/Safin/Murray/Wawrinka so far, let alone ATG level of Edberg/Becker/Wilander.

That has never happened. Such a big gap without a younger ATG.

Poisoned Slice · Nov 21, 2020

TheNachoMan said:
Damn, Sascha looks DAPPER there.

Indeed. Maybe a bit too dapper.

It was hilarious. When I logged on here for the first time in a while, I had messages from Meles. That Zverev image was the first one I saw. lol Wrong time for me to be drinking anything cause I spat it all out. . It was my own fault. I should have known Meles would make me laugh.

RS · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
Read where it started from:

I saw your comment but it was just another reminder. Your first comment blew up ATG stuff out of nowhere too.

abmk · Nov 21, 2020

RS said:
I saw your comment but it was just another reminder. Your first comment blew up ATG stuff out of nowhere too.

He asked what's ATG level and how it can be determined. So I explained. Stop making mountain out of a molehill.

mike danny · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
What next? Dimitrov is the next Federer, Nishikori the next Djokovic?

Thiem is a step slower than prime Hewitt, doesn't come close to Roddick's serve and doesn't come close to shotmaking of Safin.

prime Hewitt, Roddick, Safin would've wiped the floor with today's Novak.
Heck Safin on his worst surface thrashed him in Wim 08 (Djokovic was better in 08 than current). Roddick beat him many times and leads h2h 5-4.

But then again, Djokovic&Nadal been so lucky since the WorstGen (Raonic, Nishikori, Dimitrov) and with this new gen who aren't even on the level of Hewitt/Roddick/Safin/Murray/Wawrinka so far, let alone ATG level of Edberg/Becker/Wilander.

That has never happened. Such a big gap without a younger ATG.

I think Thiem should be in the Hewitt/Roddick/Safin/Stan/Murray tier, but the weakest of the lot for now.

RS · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
He asked what's ATG level and how it can be determined. So I explained. Stop making mountain out of a molehill.

That comment came after you made your first one. Not exactly making some big something small when its already big on this forum......

Third Serve · Nov 21, 2020

mike danny said:
I think Thiem should be in the Hewitt/Roddick/Safin/Stan/Murray tier, but the weakest of the lot for now.

Eh, still a touch below that tier. Another Slam (preferably against nice competition, which is hard to find these days) would put him up there.

abmk · Nov 21, 2020

mike danny said:
I think Thiem should be in the Hewitt/Roddick/Safin/Stan/Murray tier, but the weakest of the lot for now.

not when looking at his big finals so far. If he had won convincingly vs Zverev, then yes.

mike danny · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
not when looking at his big finals so far. If he had won convincingly vs Zverev, then yes.

Sure, he played at by far the lowest level to win a slam among those guys, but I prefer to look at the bigger picture.

abmk · Nov 21, 2020

mike danny said:
Sure, he played at by far the lowest level to win a slam among those guys, but I prefer to look at the bigger picture.

I'm talking about what has happened till now. What he does in the future remains to be seen.
I mean Safin, Hewitt, Roddick were lightning in their 1st slam finals. Thiem couldn't play well in his 4th frickin slam final vs a 1st time finalist in Z?

mike danny · Nov 21, 2020

abmk said:
I'm talking about what has happened till now. What he does in the future remains to be seen.
I mean Safin, Hewitt, Roddick were lightning in their 1st slam finals. Thiem couldn't play well in his 4th frickin slam final vs a 1st time finalist in Z?

I agree. That's why he is the weakest of that group right now.

3loudboys · Nov 21, 2020

Just a few stats about Thiem in comparison to Safin, Hewitt, Roddick and Wawrinka. I'll let you make up your own mind but to me he is ahead in some categories already aged 27. With another 5-10 years left in him he will surpass these guys IMO.

Player	Marat Safin	Andy Roddick	Lleyton Hewitt	Stan Wawrinka	Dominic Thiem
Career record	422–267 (61.3%)	612–213 (74.2%)	616–262 70.2%	530–306 (63.4%)	300–156 (65.8%)
Career titles	15	32	30	16	17
Highest ranking	No. 1 - 20/11/200	No. 1 - 03/11/2003	No. 1 - 19/11/2001	No. 3 - 27/01/2014	No. 3 - 02/03/2020
Slam Finals	4, (2 wins)	5, (1 win)	4, (2 wins)	4, (3 wins)	4, (1 win)
Australian Open	W (2005)	SF (2003, 2005, 2007, 2009)	F (2005)	W (2014)	F (2020)
French Open	SF (2002)	4R (2009)	QF (2001, 2004)	W (2015)	F (2018, 2019)
Wimbledon	SF (2008)	F (2004, 2005, 2009)	W (2002)	QF (2014, 2015)	4R (2017)
US Open	W (2000)	W (2003)	W (2001)	W (2016)	W (2020)
Tour Finals	SF (2000, 2004)	SF (2003, 2004, 2007)	W (2001, 2002)	SF (2013, 2014, 2015)	F (2019, 2020)
Olympic Games	2R (2004)	3R (2004)	3R (2012)	2R (2008)	N/A
Masters 1000 Finals	8, (5 wins)	9, (5 wins)	7, (2 wins)	4, (1 win)	3, (1 win)
Masters 500 Finals	4, (1 win)	8, (5 wins)	2, (2 wins)	6, (3 wins)	6, (5 wins)
Masters 250 Finals	11 (7 wins)	30, (21 wins)	30, (22 wins)	16, (9 wins)	13, (10 wins)

Hitman · Nov 21, 2020

The Prince of Hard Court is here to stay.

RS · Nov 21, 2020

3loudboys said:
Just a few stats about Thiem in comparison to Safin, Hewitt, Roddick and Wawrinka. I'll let you make up your own mind but to me he is ahead in some categories already aged 27. With another 5-10 years left in him he will surpass these guys IMO.

Player Marat Safin Andy Roddick Lleyton Hewitt Stan Wawrinka Dominic Thiem
Career record 422–267 (61.3%) 612–213 (74.2%) 616–262 70.2% 530–306 (63.4%) 300–156 (65.8%)
Career titles 15 32 30 16 17
Highest ranking No. 1 - 20/11/200 No. 1 - 03/11/2003 No. 1 - 19/11/2001 No. 3 - 27/01/2014 No. 3 - 02/03/2020
Slam Finals 4, (2 wins) 5, (1 win) 4, (2 wins) 4, (3 wins) 4, (1 win)
Australian Open W (2005) SF (2003, 2005, 2007, 2009) F (2005) W (2014) F (2020)
French Open SF (2002) 4R (2009) QF (2001, 2004) W (2015) F (2018, 2019)
Wimbledon SF (2008) F (2004, 2005, 2009) W (2002) QF (2014, 2015) 4R (2017)
US Open W (2000) W (2003) W (2001) W (2016) W (2020)
Tour Finals SF (2000, 2004) SF (2003, 2004, 2007) W (2001, 2002) SF (2013, 2014, 2015) F (2019, 2020)
Olympic Games 2R (2004) 3R (2004) 3R (2012) 2R (2008) N/A
Masters 1000 Finals 8, (5 wins) 9, (5 wins) 7, (2 wins) 4, (1 win) 3, (1 win)
Masters 500 Finals 4, (1 win) 8, (5 wins) 2, (2 wins) 6, (3 wins) 6, (5 wins)
Masters 250 Finals 11 (7 wins) 30, (21 wins) 30, (22 wins) 16, (9 wins) 13, (10 wins)

Yeah for all that talk of the super beast like first 3 in many stats they are not even towering over even though they are better as of now.

3loudboys · Nov 21, 2020

RS said:
Yeah for all that talk of the super beast like first 3 in many stats they are not even towering over even though they are better as of now.

Thiem already has a better win ratio than Safin and Wawrinka and more titles. The slam count will increase as well if he continues on his upward trend and with it a real chance of moving to the top of the rankings.

Now TTW give Dominic Thiem his due: He deserved the USO And He is here to stay at the very top.

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