Enceladus
Legend
Another heavy loss for Mad Lad! In the match against Simon, Mad won only 4 games, in the second set was a bagel! 
Poor Medvedev... got destroyed again LOL!!
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Pmasterfunk
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I think lots of people forget that Simon is the mastermind who made Djokovic hit 100 UEs in a match while seemingly doing nothing atvall.
Red Rick
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My favorite Simon match is against Del Potro at Wimbledon 2018. It's easily the most forgotten match of that tournament. Simon had ****ed so much with Del Potro's mind that Del Potro kept trying to hit dropshots and he was missing almost all of them.
Imagine if Simon has weapons ? He is one of the smartest tactical players ever
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
Wow, this is a bad loss for him. I wonder if last year was a fluke where he played way over his limit and is now back to his real level?
Mark-Touch
Legend
Possibly.
I didn't see this match but am really puzzled by the scoreline.
I know Simon's game really well and Med's as well.
It seems that Simon is simply a bad matchup for Med.
Simon is 3-0 over Med now on three surfaces (grass, clay and hard court)
They are basically two junk-ballers (back boards) and Simon's soft shots might throw Med for a loop.
AnOctorokForDinner
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Med's making a lot more errors, which is the opposite of what his tennis is about. He needs to get the focus back and the level will come again if so.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
It was so weird, that was easily the worst meltdown I've seen from Medvedev. Even by Simon's standards, that meltdown was a little special. That 2nd set was definitely a tank, half arsed tennis and ridiculous shot selection, got himself a 21 minute 2nd set, winning only 5 points (2 of them in the final game). Errors everywhere. It seemed like he was pissed off with the crowd which is a little strange after his USO campaign last year. Though I suppose it's a little different when you're not on a great run of wins and playing somebody like Gilles on the other side.
What else can I say though, I enjoyed immensely
What else can I say though, I enjoyed immensely
Mark-Touch
Legend
That's what I thought at first too.
But his 0-3 record against Simon begins to fill in the picture for me a little better.
Simon could simply be a bad match up for him.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
So bad a match-up that he let himself get bagelled?
Wonder what the excuse was for losing in straights to Pospisil in Rotterdam?
Mark-Touch
Legend
Mark-Touch
Legend
He is a great talent.
Don't forget 35 is the new 25.
Just ask Fred.
Bad match up. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over the loss.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Daniil's low-key been terrible since October. Completely different guy since Shanghai.
Mark-Touch
Legend
Mad Med is a multi-millionaire who knows when and how to peak.
He also has a rich Russian military lineage that schooled him in the use of Molotovs, missiles and most noticeably, tanks.
He also has a rich Russian military lineage that schooled him in the use of Molotovs, missiles and most noticeably, tanks.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Certainly a lot of question marks over him at moment. He needs to have a strong run at a tournament soon to get his mojo back. Otherwise he’s in danger of 2019 being a one off. We shall see.
heninfan99
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TomTennis495
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Another heavy loss for Mad Lad! In the match against Simon, Mad won only 4 games, in the second set was a bagel!
yeah poor Medvedev. Really stunk it up last year. especially in the season ender.......
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
What a terrible fkn player
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh so he did the reverse this time. He was great in October-February this time but now he sucks again.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Did Medvedev completely fall apart mentally? What happened against Lajovic? I don't think Lajovic should be able to outplay him...
Pmasterfunk
Hall of Fame
In all seriousness, Lajovic can actually play at a pretty high level. At ATP cup last year the dude was on fire.
Having said that, having only watched the highlights, it looked like Med was kinda flat and his timing wasn't quite there.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
I know he can play, but not often and only when the opponent lets him in. Medvedev is supposed to choke out your game, get your uncomfortable and make you play shots you otherwise wouldn't. And really I just meant in light on Med's 20-match win streak that only just ended, he'd be expected to play if not great, well enough at least.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
This is supposedly our next ATG. The future world #1 and multislam winner.
Super pathetic.
James P
G.O.A.T.
He couldn't hit through Lajovic, the court played too slow. For whatever reason, that wasn't gameplanned for despite practicing in Rott all week. He tried to shorten points by coming forward, and while it worked some of the time, it's not really his style and not as effective as his normal gamestyle. And Lajovic deserves a ton of credit, he played a great match.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Simon’s playing style, pretty much.
Tbh he gets praised too much for that match. Another way you could look at it is that Djokovic played one of his worst matches ever (which was admittedly partly caused by how Simon plays) and still managed to win. I mean, no one calls Istomin or Chung a genius mastermind and they actually beat the man.
If you want to give Simon some credit, I would choose the fact that he managed to beat Federer twice and Nadal once in 2008 when they were both dominating, all in Tier 1 tournaments.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Are you actually comparing the Djokovic in the middle of winning 4 consecutive Slams to the one in the middle of not winning anything of note for 2 years and losing to everyone and their mother at some point?
Well, there's multiple ways to look at it. You could also say that Chung and Istomin were the only ones to beat Djokovic at his favorite slam since 2011 where he's now got a 91% winning percentage. It was in a time period where he was playing badly but it's not like he was injured to the point where he couldn't hold his racket. He won Wimbledon 2018 but he was totally incompetent 5 months earlier? Anyway, my point wasn't even that they should get more credit but rather that someone shouldn't get so much credit just for taking Djokovic to 5, who's known to go full drunken master and miss shots left and right once in a while.
Otherwise we can start adding Falla (Fed Wimbledon), Isner (Rafa RG), and Simon (again for his matches against Federer in grand slams) among others to the list of tactical masterminds.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Fed, who lost to Berdych that same Wimbledon? Or Isner who's only obivous tactic is serve and pray? Also wasn't really Nadals best RG run, or one of his best seasons
Seriously, nobody is pretending Djokovic played well that match, but Simons track record of mindfucking opponents is long enough.
Hey but why credit a player when you can strawman, cherry pick and use false equivalences.
I didn't say I didn't want to credit him. I specifically said he did other things that actually warrant praise like beat the Big 2 (when there was only a Big 2) in the midst of their dominance. I mean, I could congratulate him for the match against ND and send him a bouquet of flowers and a postcard if it makes you feel better, but I'm pretty sure even he would be like "umm you know I lost that match right?"
Zardoz7/12
Hall of Fame
Enceladus
Legend
At the beginning of the 21st century, there were discussions that world tennis would be decline after the departure of Sampras and Agassi, but Big 3 appeared instead. I don't think the state of world tennis will be as you describe it. There will be new champions and tennis will still be one of the most watched sports.
We will not have champions of Big 3 format waiting for us in the near future, but such a Sinner or Tsitsipas could have a Lendl or Becker career, ie 6-8 grandslams. Medvedev can win 4 grandslams, as can Courier or Vilas. And these are not small numbers! These are impressive careers, but the view of us fans is much skewed by the results of the Big 3, which are in a different dimension.
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Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
I remember when Simon pushed Nadal to death in Madrid 2008. Just endlessly long rallies throughout. Fun match!
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Every non-Big3 player who gets destroyed
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Why is Nadal mentioned in every subject.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
They're talking about junkball tennis above which Simon specialized in. The same type of tennis which beat Federer and Nadal in 2008. The Nadal match was one of Simon's best performances although it's unfair to call it junk balling. He hit some blazing forehands in that match which even Del Potro would be proud of.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
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