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Title is pretty much self-explanatory. I think in 2011 it was really great at times, but I would still peak that period, but post-2011 was it ever as good as it was back then?
Imagine what it'll be like next year.I think his forehand maybe peaked at the recent AO.
i think it was 2010 USO novak djokovic
it was most powerful novak djokovic hit forehand
Fixedi think it was 2010 USO novak djokovic
it was most powerful novak djokovic
For pure ability :2011
If you are blasting Fedal in FH to FH rallies, you know your FH is special.
For consistency and ability to redirect :
2015-16,2019
For being adventurous and erratic :2007-08
2011 was more match deciding and still had solid consistency. It shades 2015 imo.2015 it is.
I don't think so. I miss the old days!Title is pretty much self-explanatory. I think in 2011 it was really great at times, but I would still peak that period, but post-2011 was it ever as good as it was back then?
2011 was more match deciding and still had solid consistency. It shades 2015 imo.
2011, 2015-16,Title is pretty much self-explanatory. I think in 2011 it was really great at times, but I would still peak that period, but post-2011 was it ever as good as it was back then?
I will take his current forehand over all previous versions.
He does everything with it and it is more consistent.
He looks to be more comfortable ripping it down the line now as well.
Dude he has been practicing for 10 more years.yeah, because Djokovic didn't do that in 11.
I mean seriously, how short is your memory?
Dude he has been practicing for 10 more years.
What is wrong with you?
It requires a radical re-conception in the Modern era, as medicines and recovery methods have made comparison to past ATGs without those methods silly at best, and grossly unjust at worst.Yeah, I'm sure physical stuff+mental stuff doesn't matter at all. Just that he's been practicing for 10 more years.
The concept of peak doesn't exist/is worthless etc. etc.
I cannot agree more, his technique never been more sound.I will take his current forehand over all previous versions.
He does everything with it and it is more consistent.
He looks to be more comfortable ripping it down the line now as well.
It requires a radical re-conception in the Modern era, as medicines and recovery methods have made comparison to past ATGs without those methods silly at best, and grossly unjust at worst.
If longevity increases, then primes and peaks extend as wellthat's about longevity, not peak.
If longevity increases, then primes and peaks extend as well
His FH since the start of 2020 has been the best of his career. I think he worked on it extensively because he was having trouble generating offence off that wing in 2019.Yeah, I'm sure physical stuff+mental stuff doesn't matter at all. Just that he's been practicing for 10 more years.
The concept of peak doesn't exist/is worthless etc. etc.
His FH since the start of 2020 has been the best of his career. I think he worked on it extensively because he was having trouble generating offence off that wing in 2019.
That doesn't mean he is a better player now than in 2011, I don't think @swordtennis means that at all.
Fair enough. I think that longevity allows for resurgences that are near equal, if not equal, to prime periods though, e.g. Fed 2014-15, 17-18no. Fed's prime still remains 03 YEC to AO 10. Maybe a primeish period from 11 USO to 12 Cincy.
Djoko's is still 11-16 RG. Prime-ish year in 08. Prime-ish period from grass season 18 to AO 19.
Yes it is.No, its not. Please watch some matches in 11 and even 15. The short memories are just awful.
I dont't think he means he's a better player than in 11, but the "he's been practicing it for 10 more years" logic to justify for FH is ludicrous.
I watch matches from 11 and 15 all the time. Djokovic's FH in 11 was just more aggressive and in 15 it was a slightly downgraded version of his current FH.No, its not. Please watch some matches in 11 and even 15. The short memories are just awful.
I dont't think he means he's a better player than in 11, but the "he's been practicing it for 10 more years" logic to justify for FH is ludicrous.
I think even Pete would have won more slams if he had competition for the slam raceFair enough. I think that longevity allows for resurgences that are near equal, if not equal, to prime periods though, e.g. Fed 2014-15, 17-18
I have.No, its not. Please watch some matches in 11 and even 15. The short memories are just awful.
I dont't think he means he's a better player than in 11, but the "he's been practicing it for 10 more years" logic to justify for FH is ludicrous.
Dude this is far more than djokovic's forehand.When Djoko gets hammered next time like he did in RG 2020 final vs Nadal, please came back with a straight face and hail his FH.
Forget prime level younger ATG, someone like prime Wawrinka/prime Murray would've exposed current Djokovic's FH deficiencies compared to 2011/15.
Probably. He still had it in him to bring a scary level of tennis when necessary. 2001 USO matches against Rafter, Agassi, and especially Safin in that semi all come to mind. Was recently watching the 2001 USO Safin semi actually and was amazed at how crisply and brilliantly he volleyed on brutal passing shots and returns. Safin was playing really good and Pete still straight setted him. Too bad he was exhausted for that final.I think even Pete would have won more slams if he had competition for the slam race
Fair enough. I think that longevity allows for resurgences that are near equal, if not equal, to prime periods though, e.g. Fed 2014-15, 17-18
I have.
You are a FedFan.
Dude this is far more than djokovic's forehand.
There is something more personal about your rantings and ravings.
Are you ok?