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20 slams in any other era.Evans would win 5 slams from 2014-2016
Do not disrespect Rublev with that hyperbole. Nadal did not play his "absolute worst tennis" apart from the first set, where he made an astronomical number of double faults.And it’s not even slightly ambiguous. The all-round level at MC has been atrocious.
Even playing his absolute worst tennis, Nadal’s IO FH is still absolute GOAT-tier. Still landing nearly all variations from all positions and just such a deadly shot. Hard not to see another RG incoming once he irons out the kinks.
I don't think Nadal played that bad, he wasn't at his best for sure, but still played a very high level. Rublev played like a man possessed is all.And it’s not even slightly ambiguous. The all-round level at MC has been atrocious.
Even playing his absolute worst tennis, Nadal’s IO FH is still absolute GOAT-tier. Still landing nearly all variations from all positions and just such a deadly shot. Hard not to see another RG incoming once he irons out the kinks.
Do not disrespect Rublve with that hyperbole. Nadal did not play his "absolute worst tennis" apart from the first set, where he made an astronomical number of unforced errors.
But no need to make those hyperboles whenever Rafa loses on clay.It’s no disrespect to anyone in particular. It’s a warm-up event and the level is showing it. Nadal was still ahead in rallies over 5 shots in the 1st set, which is exactly my point.
Big 2 only care about GS now, rest is all warm up for them..
"A" huge favorite or "the" huge favorite? Please name those players that are equally favorite to Nadal for RG.Don't get me wrong, Nadal is still a huge favorite for RG...
My perception is that at RG is still on his racquet, regardless of the opponent's level. I agree that in Masters 1000 on clay he has become more vulnerable and can lose to inspired opponents. This is, in my opinion, due to the fact that the courts used in Masters 1000 are generally smaller and probably use lighter balls.Its more Rublev who blew him of the court, in Novak antiNadal clay mode...
That is the problem for Nadal, if some player show in firing mode he is very vulnerable.
It's not on his racket, even on clay, which sound strange...
2006 Paul Henri Mathieu would have loved to play this Nadal"A" huge favorite or "the" huye favorite? Please name those players that are equally favorite to Nadal at RG.
My perception is that at RG is still on his racquet, regardless of the opponent's level. I agree that in Masters 1000 on clay he has become more vulnerable and can lose to inspired opponents. This is, in my opinion, due to the fact that the courts used in Masters 1000 are generally smaller and probably use lighter balls.
RG is using since 2020 very heavy balls, and the court dimensions of the Philippe Chatrier are considerably larger than those observed in Montecarlo, Barcelona, Madrid and Rome. With those ultra-heavy balls the conditions became even slower, and with larger court dimensions Nadal has more time to reach defensive balls. Due to the aforementioned reasons I am of the opinion that Nadal playing at his best for his current age and style of play is untouchable at RG. No firing opponent can do anything if Nadal plays great for his standards at RG.
Would lose with a triple bagel (hyperbole, but you get my point). Not even sure Mathieu defeats 2021 Tsitsipas or 2021 Djokovic at RG let alone Nadal.2006 Paul Henri Mathieu would have loved to play this Nadal
Well, I am not saying that Mathieu will obviously win, but he would have his chances.2006 Rafa was a physical beast compared to this Rafa.He plays a different game now, but still... Untestable, therefore irrelevant, I knowWould lose with a triple bagel (hyperbole, but you get my point). Not even sure Mathieu defeats 2021 Tsitsipas or 2021 Djokovic at RG let alone Nadal.
Completely agree. But did you also notice how mediocre he was hitting his BH compared to previous years. That CC BH was not getting enough pop as it usually does. He also looked slower than usual.And it’s not even slightly ambiguous. The all-round level at MC has been atrocious.
Even playing his absolute worst tennis, Nadal’s IO FH is still absolute GOAT-tier. Still landing nearly all variations from all positions and just such a deadly shot. Hard not to see another RG incoming once he irons out the kinks.
not against a Fed2.0Evans would win 5 slams from 2014-2016
My English is not that good... He is the biggest, biggest favorite, no doubt..."A" huge favorite or "the" huge favorite? Please name those players that are equally favorite to Nadal for RG.
My perception is that at RG is still on his racquet, regardless of the opponent's level. I agree that in Masters 1000 on clay he has become more vulnerable and can lose to inspired opponents. This is, in my opinion, due to the fact that the courts used in Masters 1000 are generally smaller and probably use lighter balls.
RG is using since 2020 very heavy balls, and the court dimensions of the Philippe Chatrier are considerably larger than those observed in Montecarlo, Barcelona, Madrid and Rome. With those ultra-heavy balls the conditions became even slower, and with larger court dimensions Nadal has more time to reach defensive balls. Due to the aforementioned reasons I am of the opinion that Nadal playing at his best for his current age and style of play is untouchable at RG. No firing opponent can do anything if Nadal plays great for his standards at RG.
Completely agree. But did you also notice how mediocre he was hitting his BH compared to previous years. That CC BH was not getting enough pop as it usually does. He also looked slower than usual.
Evans would win 5 slams from 2014-2016
My man.
Grown on me over the years. The line about him getting paid for the insults is the killer here.
I agree, but the only guy who ever blew Rafa away with brute power in BO5 on clay was Soderling. Literally the only one, so it’s hard to say Rafa is “vulnerable” to such players.That is the problem for Nadal, if some player show in firing mode he is very vulnerable.
I agree, but the only guy who ever blew Rafa away with brute power in BO5 on clay was Soderling. Literally the only one, so it’s hard to say Rafa is “vulnerable” to such players.
However, there are 3 current players who are capable of playing the Soderling brute style: Rublev, Karatsev and Basilashvili.
You joke, but the older he gets the worse the losses should get.But no need to make those hyperboles whenever Rafa loses on clay.
Rafa loses to Fognini in Montecarlo 2019: "he played his worst match on clay ever".
Rafa loses to Rublev in Montecarlo 2021: "he played his absolute worse tennis".
Coming soon...
Rafa loses to X player in Montecarlo 2022: "Rafa played the worse match that any professional tennis player has ever played".
Rafa loses to Y player in Montecarlo 2023: "Rafa played at the lowest level that any human being can play".
The all-round level at MC has been atrocious.
There are more of these players, Thiem, Shapovalov... maybe someone else, even Fog can do it, he proved...I agree, but the only guy who ever blew Rafa away with brute power in BO5 on clay was Soderling. Literally the only one, so it’s hard to say Rafa is “vulnerable” to such players.
However, there are 3 current players who are capable of playing the Soderling brute style: Rublev, Karatsev and Basilashvili.
That's what Nadal said after the match.Rafa loses to Fognini in Montecarlo 2019: "he played his worst match on clay ever".
Fog doesn't have brute power off both wings, he can hit his FH huge when he's in the zone (which happens generally twice a year). Fog is a finesse player, he's nothing like a brute style of play like Karatsev. Shapo has a great BH but no brute power off the FH and is so erratic he shouldn't even be mentioned in this context. Thiem isn't anywhere near the velocity off both wings of Soderling (or even Safin). Thiem is also purely defensive and stands so far back in court he will never generate the brute power of Soderling. Contrast Thiem standing on the moon during rallies as opposed to wear Soderling stood while blasting Rafa off the court:There are more of these players, Thiem, Shapovalov... maybe someone else, even Fog can do it, he proved...
Evans would win 5 slams from 2014-2016
Much better than what Nadal did during those years.
That's where Djokovic took the H2H #WeakestDal
Sure Lionel.