Gut / poly hybrid - same tension or differential?

jstwtt · Apr 30, 2021

Hi all,

What tension differential do you all recommend in a gut / poly hybrid setup?
Most ATP players seem to string 2-4 lbs higher on the gut mains than the poly crosses, but they also switch to fresh strings before the poly loses much tension.

I've been using a 2 lbs differential (mains Babolat VS Touch 17 @ 53 lbs x crosses Luxilon 4G Soft 1.25 @ 51 lbs in a 18x20 pattern) and love it! but looking to further improve that setup.
What puzzles me is that once the poly loses tension the differential gets much bigger than the original 2 lbs.

Using RacquetTune, on fresh strings I consistently get the average between 53 lbs and 51 lbs: 52 lbs, which looks just about right.
The next day I typically get 50 lbs, so assuming the gut is only 1 lb down to 52 lbs (from prior experience with full gut) that places the poly around 48 lbs: a 4 lb differential.
After a few days things eventually stabilize at 48 lbs and I'm pretty sure the gut is still at 52 lbs, placing the poly at 44 lbs: now a 8 lb differential, isn't that too much then ?!

So I'm wondering if we (normal players, not getting fresh strings as often as the pros) would benefit from stringing the poly at the same tension as the gut to help minimize the differential once it loses tension...

Thoughts?

SinneGOAT · Apr 30, 2021

In an 18/20 I did 53 for gut mains and 48 for 4g cross. In racquets that are very low powered I go 4-5 lower on cross(also depends on what string is the cross) and then in higher powered racquets I string a differential of 2.

aaron_h27 · Apr 30, 2021

I prefer gut/poly at the same tension, even in 18x20. Gives a more predictable hit.

jstwtt · May 2, 2021

SinneGOAT said:
In an 18/20 I did 53 for gut mains and 48 for 4g cross. In racquets that are very low powered I go 4-5 lower on cross(also depends on what string is the cross) and then in higher powered racquets I string a differential of 2.

Thanks! So when you start with a 5lbs differential how long does this play well before you have to cut and restring? With the poly losing tension you must be at a 11 or 12 lbs differential after a few days... Does that still play as well as 5 lbs?

SinneGOAT · May 2, 2021

jstwtt said:
Thanks! So when you start with a 5lbs differential how long does this play well before you have to cut and restring? With the poly losing tension you must be at a 11 or 12 lbs differential after a few days... Does that still play as well as 5 lbs?

You can do a difference of 2-4, but with 4g it never lost tension. I played with it till the gut broke, which was a month and the tension held. For reference, I was playing about 15-20 hours a week, not including tournaments.

jstwtt · May 2, 2021

aaron_h27 said:
I prefer gut/poly at the same tension, even in 18x20. Gives a more predictable hit.

That's my thinking too, so I'm trying to understand why most people use a differential, and are ok with that differential going from 2-5lbs into the 8-11 lbs after a while... Is there any benefit at all?

Also how often do you restring? If like we're saying here a 0 lb differential is more predictable, after a while you're probably still getting to a 6 lb... Is that becoming less predictable then? or do you just cut and restring before you get there?

Thanks!!

jstwtt · May 2, 2021

SinneGOAT said:
You can do a difference of 2-4, but with 4g it never lost tension. I played with it till the gut broke, which was a month and the tension held. For reference, I was playing about 15-20 hours a week, not including tournaments.

Thanks! Maybe I should try 4g instead of 4g soft then... 4g soft is losing tension over time for me, like I tried to describe in my original post.. If 4g keeps it's tension almost as well as the gut, then a 2lb-4lb differential makes a lot of sense indeed as 4g is so much stiffer than the gut, and if it stays constant you get the best of both worlds!!

I still have another week or so with my current string job I think, going to consider normal 4g instead of 4g soft next time... Thank you for your insight!!

Soho78 · May 2, 2021

jstwtt said:
That's my thinking too, so I'm trying to understand why most people use a differential, and are ok with that differential going from 2-5lbs into the 8-11 lbs after a while... Is there any benefit at all?

Also how often do you restring? If like we're saying here a 0 lb differential is more predictable, after a while you're probably still getting to a 6 lb... Is that becoming less predictable then? or do you just cut and restring before you get there?

Thanks!!

I read somewhere that in general the crosses should be a 4lbs less than the mains. Reason being the crosses are shorter in length and hold tension better/longer than the mains. Not 100% sure on this, but I believe Yonex recommends this approach.

Steve Huff · May 2, 2021

I normally string the gut 5# tighter than the poly.

aaron_h27 · May 2, 2021

jstwtt said:
That's my thinking too, so I'm trying to understand why most people use a differential, and are ok with that differential going from 2-5lbs into the 8-11 lbs after a while... Is there any benefit at all?

Also how often do you restring? If like we're saying here a 0 lb differential is more predictable, after a while you're probably still getting to a 6 lb... Is that becoming less predictable then? or do you just cut and restring before you get there?

Thanks!!

I have three rackets, always re-string one before a match regardless of tension loss. I practice with loose strings and play with tighter ones for extra control during matches.

It doesn't matter if you use a differential or not, the cross string tension will determine how control oriented the string bed is.

For example 66/60 would play looser than 63/63

The problem with 66/60 is that 66 on gut mains lowers the durability quite a bit. The higher you go on gut the lower the durability.

The best thing in my opinion would be to go as high as you can with the gut (to retain softness) without sacrificing durability and lowest you can on the poly to retain control.

Also keep in mind that when the crosses lose tension (or you string them 5-8 lbs looser than mains) there is a lot of hoop squashing, which lowers the swingweight, something to keep in mind.

socallefty · May 3, 2021

I string poly crosses 3 or 4 lbs less than the gut mains. Purely based on empirical experimenting on what feels best for my game. I started with stringing at a 2 lb differential and progressively went lower as the poly always feels better to me when it is at a much lower tension. I now string VS/HyperG Soft at 48/44 or 47/44 lbs on a Pure Strike Tour.

Dartagnan64 · May 3, 2021

Depends on the crosses. I'll usually put gut mains in at 58 lbs on16x19 frames and 54 lbs on 18x20 frames. The crosses will vary depending on their stiffness with the lowest tensions for stiffer crosses like 4G and the higher tensions for soft poly's like Cream.

So a typical Gut/Cream, 16x19 frame would be 58/54 for me. Gut/4G would be 58/50 in the same string bed.

SinneGOAT · May 3, 2021

Dartagnan64 said:
Depends on the crosses. I'll usually put gut mains in at 58 lbs on16x19 frames and 54 lbs on 18x20 frames. The crosses will vary depending on their stiffness with the lowest tensions for stiffer crosses like 4G and the higher tensions for soft poly's like Cream.

So a typical Gut/Cream, 16x19 frame would be 58/54 for me. Gut/4G would be 58/50 in the same string bed.

So for something like gut/4g in a 16/19 would you say 56/51 be good?

aaron_h27 · May 3, 2021

SinneGOAT said:
So for something like gut/4g in a 16/19 would you say 56/51 be good?

Player dependent.

am1899 · May 3, 2021

Soho78 said:
I read somewhere that in general the crosses should be a 4lbs less than the mains. Reason being the crosses are shorter in length and hold tension better/longer than the mains. Not 100% sure on this, but I believe Yonex recommends this approach.

Yonex used to recommend crosses strung 4lbs looser because of their isometric head shape. They no longer require that to maintain warranty.

While crosses are generally shorter than mains, crosses are also woven against the mains. So assuming the same tension setting on the machine throughout the string job...because of the friction to be overcome caused by crosses being woven, already, your crosses aren’t going to be pulled with as much force as the mains were earlier in the job. Reducing the tension setting on the machine for the crosses is going to exacerbate that delta further (which, depending upon what you’re trying to do, may or may not be desirable).

I have doubts that cross strings will fair much better (if at all) than mains in terms of holding tension. Unless in the case of a hybrid, where the type of cross string used is characteristically better in this aspect than the string chosen for the mains.

am1899 · May 3, 2021

aaron_h27 said:
Also keep in mind that when the crosses lose tension (or you string them 5-8 lbs looser than mains) there is a lot of hoop squashing, which lowers the swingweight, something to keep in mind.

Not only that, potentially you are changing the shape of the racquet. A lower cross tension than the mains will generally result in, as you say, a squashed hoop, and an overall shorter racquet.

I totally understand why a lot of folks like the differentials - especially with a gut/poly hybrid. But there are some pros and cons to consider.

Dartagnan64 · May 3, 2021

SinneGOAT said:
So for something like gut/4g in a 16/19 would you say 56/51 be good?

Dependent on a few more things than just string bed density. Inherent frame power, how much RHS you get and how much spin you play with.

i'd not use that tension in a PD but would use it in a Phantom 107G, for instance.

Dartagnan64 · May 3, 2021

am1899 said:
Not only that, potentially you are changing the shape of the racquet. A lower cross tension than the mains will generally result in, as you say, a squashed hoop, and an overall shorter racquet.

I've not noticed in any length differential in rackets with up to 8 lbs tension difference.

am1899 · May 3, 2021

Dartagnan64 said:
I've not noticed in any length differential in rackets with up to 8 lbs tension difference.

Well, how carefully are you measuring?

If I portrayed that a differential will absolutely cause a shorter racquet...my apologies, I didn’t mean to say that. There are many other factors at play - how the racquet was mounted to the machine, the skill (or not) of the person who strung the racquet, the strings chosen, the string pattern, the racquet itself (some are more or less prone to deformation), etc.

What I can say rather definitively, is that a tension differential where the crosses are strung at a lesser tension than the mains increases the risk of squashing the hoop and therefore (slightly) decreases the length of the racquet. Something to watch out for, that’s all.

SinneGOAT · May 3, 2021

Dartagnan64 said:
Dependent on a few more things than just string bed density. Inherent frame power, how much RHS you get and how much spin you play with.

i'd not use that tension in a PD but would use it in a Phantom 107G, for instance.

I use a blade 16/19. I don’t hit with a ton of spin but I do hit with a medium-high rhs. I prefer volleying and moving in, and I’m not grinding away at the baseline. Would that be a good tension for my style?

Dartagnan64 · May 3, 2021

am1899 said:
Well, how carefully are you measuring?

Careful enough that it would have to be a millimeter difference for me not to see it. Which is probably within the variance I've seen in general with rackets.

SinneGOAT said:
I use a blade 16/19. I don’t hit with a ton of spin but I do hit with a medium-high rhs. I prefer volleying and moving in, and I’m not grinding away at the baseline. Would that be a good tension for my style?

Yes 56/51 would be a good place to start with Blade 98 V7 16x19.

SinneGOAT · May 3, 2021

Dartagnan64 said:
Yes 56/51 would be a good place to start with Blade 98 V7 16x19.

Appreciate the help

tonylg · May 3, 2021

SinneGOAT said:
You can do a difference of 2-4, but with 4g it never lost tension. I played with it till the gut broke, which was a month and the tension held. For reference, I was playing about 15-20 hours a week, not including tournaments.

I would question any string not losing tension over 60-80 hours, but can't get past the fact you play with 4G for that long.

Ouch!

SinneGOAT · May 3, 2021

tonylg said:
I would question any string not losing tension over 60-80 hours, but can't get past the fact you play with 4G for that long.

Ouch!

Honestly the gut and it being an 18/20 really helped, the gut at like 53-55 kept it comfortable, and the blade was noodle soft, win win

tonylg · May 3, 2021

SinneGOAT said:
Honestly the gut and it being an 18/20 really helped, the gut at like 53-55 kept it comfortable, and the blade was noodle soft, win win

You definitely got your money's worth out of that gut.

stapletonj · May 4, 2021

I have been experimenting with a gut poly hybrid combo for several months now. I have found that at least a 10% increase in gut tension in the mains is a good idea. string the poly crosses like you normally do. this should result in a 4-6 lb. differential,

my gut has been hanging in in there, but there is a slight tension loss over time. feel and etc is still there, but just a little harder to control.
I play a yonex vcore 100 and hit kind flattish because I'm old.

SinneGOAT · May 4, 2021

Depending on the racquet and how much you measure the string, you can actually get two string jobs for the price of one. Had 1 pack of gut and poly, correctly measured and had enough gut and poly for two racquets, both gut main/poly cross. If you had an 18/20 this probably won’t work.

jstwtt · May 4, 2021

SinneGOAT said:
You can do a difference of 2-4, but with 4g it never lost tension. I played with it till the gut broke, which was a month and the tension held. For reference, I was playing about 15-20 hours a week, not including tournaments.

jstwtt said:
Thanks! Maybe I should try 4g instead of 4g soft then... 4g soft is losing tension over time for me, like I tried to describe in my original post.. If 4g keeps it's tension almost as well as the gut, then a 2lb-4lb differential makes a lot of sense indeed as 4g is so much stiffer than the gut, and if it stays constant you get the best of both worlds!!

I still have another week or so with my current string job I think, going to consider normal 4g instead of 4g soft next time... Thank you for your insight!!

Now that I think about it more, 4G soft also holds tension well. After an initial drop from 51lbs to 44lbs it stays there, with Racquet Tune giving me a stable 48lbs overall for several weeks... I'm not seeing any noticeable change in the feel of the string bed either, which I guess is primarily coming from the gut being in the mains and dominating the feel anyway.

I'm now debating between trying out gut + 4G as an alternative with slightly better tension maintenance vs continuing with the gut + 4G soft combo which has worked well for me in the last two years... There are just too many choices

boulderchips · May 5, 2021

aaron_h27 said:
Also keep in mind that when the crosses lose tension (or you string them 5-8 lbs looser than mains) there is a lot of hoop squashing, which lowers the swingweight, something to keep in mind.

am1899 said:
Not only that, potentially you are changing the shape of the racquet. A lower cross tension than the mains will generally result in, as you say, a squashed hoop, and an overall shorter racquet.

This is starting to bug me. I really like gut/poly, but as the poly loses tension, I get hoop deformation so that my frame is up to 1/8" short. The tension differential increases along the way, which changes stringbed response. It stays playable for a while, but it bugs me...and with gut, I can't afford to put in a fresh set for every match. Currently using Yonex PT Fire as a cross. Might have to resort to re-stringing crosses (yikes), pre-stretched poly, or both. If anyone has experience with a good solution, I'm all ears.

aaron_h27 · May 5, 2021

boulderchips said:
This is starting to bug me. I really like gut/poly, but as the poly loses tension, I get hoop deformation so that my frame is up to 1/8" short. The tension differential increases along the way, which changes stringbed response. It stays playable for a while, but it bugs me...and with gut, I can't afford to put in a fresh set for every match. Currently using Yonex PT Fire as a cross. Might have to resort to re-stringing crosses (yikes), pre-stretched poly, or both. If anyone has experience with a good solution, I'm all ears.

Try stringing your crosses 2-3 lbs tighter than the mains

am1899 · May 5, 2021

boulderchips said:
This is starting to bug me. I really like gut/poly, but as the poly loses tension, I get hoop deformation so that my frame is up to 1/8" short. The tension differential increases along the way, which changes stringbed response. It stays playable for a while, but it bugs me...and with gut, I can't afford to put in a fresh set for every match. Currently using Yonex PT Fire as a cross. Might have to resort to re-stringing crosses (yikes), pre-stretched poly, or both. If anyone has experience with a good solution, I'm all ears.

You’re on the right track - pre-stretched poly is, IMHO, the best answer to that riddle - Kirschbaum, 4G, etc.

Restringing the crosses, although possible, I wouldn’t recommend. No matter what you do, you can’t recreate the initial string job with the subsequent one - because you’re only replacing half of the string bed.

AceyMan · May 7, 2021

Soho78 said:
in general the crosses should be a 4lbs less than the mains. Reason being the crosses are shorter in length and hold tension better/longer than the mains.

Sounds good on paper—wrong in implementation.

The drag of pulling the cross thru the mains exceeds the differential, and then some.

I would string the crosses 2 kg higher, at minimum.

Also, poly has a fraction of the elasticity of gut. Unless the poly is strung high enough, the gut mains will shorten the hoop.

In a gut mains / poly cross setup I would start with the mains 1 kg less than I use in a full bed, and string the poly crosses 2–3 kg more than that.

/Acey

[edit: that last paragraph is for a START (off the top of my head, to boot). I actually don't favor gut/poly hybrids for that reason: the elasticity diffential is out of limits. But if you are going to do it, I provide a place to begin.]

TimePlease · May 8, 2021

AceyMan said:
Sounds good on paper—wrong in implementation.

The drag of pulling the cross thru the mains exceeds the differential, and then some.

I would string the crosses 2 kg higher, at minimum.

Also, poly has a fraction of the elasticity of gut. Unless the poly is strung high enough, the gut mains will shorten the hoop.

In a gut mains / poly cross setup I would start with the mains 1 kg less than I use in a full bed, and string the poly crosses 2–3 kg more than that.

/Acey

[edit: that last paragraph is for a START (off the top of my head, to boot). I actually don't favor gut/poly hybrids for that reason: the elasticity diffential is out of limits. But if you are going to do it, I provide a place to begin.]

Very interesting. How would you adjust this for gut mains with a soft and slick multi cross like AK Pro CX?

Dartagnan64 · May 8, 2021

AceyMan said:
Also, poly has a fraction of the elasticity of gut. Unless the poly is strung high enough, the gut mains will shorten the hoop.

Find your kitchen scale and press on it hard enough to register 4 lbs. Now press that hard on a tennis frame and see if it in any way deforms the hoop. 4 lb differential will not shorten any frame that is decently made.

I just tested length on my 4 27" Phantoms strung all differently (multi at 57 lbs, gut/poly at 54/48, multi at 54, origin/velocity at 52/48). All rackets are the same length.

AceyMan · May 8, 2021

Dartagnan64 said:
4 lb differential will not shorten any frame that is decently made.

Surely you mean => 18 x 24 kg (a representative sum of the mains tension), with a greater elastic range, as well, because ... gut .

The poly crosses don't easily add enough dynamic force to counter 400+ kgf of force already applied to the hoop unless the individual tensions are adjusted in some way such as I described.

/Acey

Dartagnan64 · May 9, 2021

AceyMan said:
Surely you mean => 18 x 24 kg (a representative sum of the mains tension), with a greater elastic range, as well, because ... gut .

The poly crosses don't easily add enough dynamic force to counter 400+ kgf of force already applied to the hoop unless the individual tensions are adjusted in some way such as I described.

/Acey

Lbs of tension are pounds of tension.doesn't matter the material initially. I guess as poly loses tension the differential increases but still will never get to the point that you shorten the hoop. The crosses are pulling 20 x 22kg in your scenario which should easily counter the 18x24 kg force.

And while I imagine you love working in hypothetical models, the real world evidence is sitting in my basement with a bunch 27" frames all with different strings and tension differentials, all measuring the same length.

paulwal · May 10, 2021

62 lbs mains, natural gut, pre-stretched
56 lbs crosses, poly

I've discovered that the cause of my strings feeling 'dead' after several hours of play time is due to notching of the strings. When the strings are notched, then string movement and snapback is eliminated, causing less feel and control... and more pain.

I suspect a higher tension differential slows down notching some. Also I've recently began using 3M Dry Silicone spray on the strings. So far, it seems like notching has been siginificantly slowed down.

EasternRocks · May 10, 2021

Always dropped cross poly a few lbs 2-3.

FIRETennis · May 28, 2021

jstwtt said:
Thanks! Maybe I should try 4g instead of 4g soft then... 4g soft is losing tension over time for me, like I tried to describe in my original post.. If 4g keeps it's tension almost as well as the gut, then a 2lb-4lb differential makes a lot of sense indeed as 4g is so much stiffer than the gut, and if it stays constant you get the best of both worlds!!

I still have another week or so with my current string job I think, going to consider normal 4g instead of 4g soft next time... Thank you for your insight!!

I just tried 4G Soft as a cross with VS16 mains and wow! What a setup! I was previously using Element as a cross which is amazing but I had a spare set of 4G Soft lying around...
I have to play a bit more with it but it was so good that I might considering buying a reel of it next instead of another reel of Element.
The biggest difference I would say is the sound, more pillowy feeling at impact and more control. The tension maintenance should be better as well.

jstwtt · Jul 10, 2021

I tried a number of combinations and finally found the best one for me: mains Babolat VS touch 17 at 49 lbs x crosses Luxilon 4G soft 1.25 at 49 lbs. Starting with the same tension on the mains and crosses works great after all: the VS touch loses about 2 lbs in the first 24-48 hours then stabilizes; the 4G soft poly loses about 4 lbs in the first 48 hours then stabilizes as well. With that, after 48 hours I'm at an ideal 47-45 differential for about 3 weeks - 30 hours play.

I now think that all the people starting with an artificial differential of several lbs to mimic the ATP tour guys and using a poly that loses tension are probably ending up with differentials that are way too much...

This is obviously not a problem for the ATP tour guys as they can always start with a fresh string job with the ideal differential then switch to a new racquet before it gets messed up ... For us mere mortals it's a different story, hence starting without a differential works better!

aaron_h27 · Jul 10, 2021

jstwtt said:
I tried a number of combinations and finally found the best one for me: mains Babolat VS touch 17 at 49 lbs x crosses Luxilon 4G soft 1.25 at 49 lbs. Starting with the same tension on the mains and crosses works great after all: the VS touch loses about 2 lbs in the first 24-48 hours then stabilizes; the 4G soft poly loses about 4 lbs in the first 48 hours then stabilizes as well. With that, after 48 hours I'm at an ideal 47-45 differential for about 3 weeks - 30 hours play.

I now think that all the people starting with an artificial differential of several lbs to mimic the ATP tour guys and using a poly that loses tension are probably ending up with differentials that are way too much...

This is obviously not a problem for the ATP tour guys as they can always start with a fresh string job with the ideal differential then switch to a new racquet before it gets messed up ... For us mere mortals it's a different story, hence starting without a differential works better!

Exactly my experience.

LocNetMonster · Jul 14, 2021

jstwtt said:
I tried a number of combinations ...

Personally, my journey has included poly crosses strung 6# tighter to as much as 25# looser and points in between with natural gut or multi mains. For me, the differential boils down to what tension is used for the mains and the characteristics of the string used in the crosses.

jdub486 · Jul 18, 2021

I usually drop crosses 3 lbs on 16/19 and 16/18 patterns and 4 lbs on 16/20 and 18/20.

stickM · Jul 19, 2021

The stinging specs that I've read for the pros using hybrids of gut mains and poly crosses show they mostly run a little lower tensions in the poly crosses. Examples include Djok 2-3 lbs less and Fed 4-5 lbs less in their poly crosses. These guys employ some of the most knowledgeable stringers in the world, so I yield to their expertise on the subject.

aaron_h27 · Jul 19, 2021

stickM said:
The stinging specs that I've read for the pros using hybrids of gut mains and poly crosses show they mostly run a little lower tensions in the poly crosses. Examples include Djok 2-3 lbs less and Fed 4-5 lbs less in their poly crosses. These guys employ some of the most knowledgeable stringers in the world, so I yield to their expertise on the subject.

they use a racket for 7-9 games

aaron_h27 · Dec 21, 2021

boulderchips said:
This is starting to bug me. I really like gut/poly, but as the poly loses tension, I get hoop deformation so that my frame is up to 1/8" short. The tension differential increases along the way, which changes stringbed response. It stays playable for a while, but it bugs me...and with gut, I can't afford to put in a fresh set for every match. Currently using Yonex PT Fire as a cross. Might have to resort to re-stringing crosses (yikes), pre-stretched poly, or both. If anyone has experience with a good solution, I'm all ears.

@LOBALOT

LOBALOT · Dec 21, 2021

aaron_h27 said:
@LOBALOT

I have hit with gut/poly tour fire and poly tour fire does bleed tension like crazy. There are better crosses out there for gut like Cream which does not drop tension like that.

Again, it really doesn't make a difference to me if folks like gut/poly or not but to see that type of deformation one would have to be playing with quite a differential to begin with.

The math isn't quite linear as when. the racquet tries to compress one way it lengthens the other and the tension goes up so there is an equilibrium reached. In either case I am just not seeing deformation like this. I get decent performance for several months without deformation and certainly get nowhere near that out of full poly.

The Big Kahuna · Feb 20, 2022

According to one of the leading string g gurus in my book, John Youngblood of GUTS AND GLORY in Atlanta:

Keys for Hybrid Strings:

i) with polyester or monofilament strings, you should keep your Luxilon monofilament strings at the same tension in the mains, and install the crosses 5-10% higher. Most people prefer an increase of 5%.

ii) If you currently are playing with gut strings, multifilaments, or synthetic gut, you should keep you normal tension on the crosses with your multifilament string, and install the mains 5-10% lower with a Luxilon Monofilament. Most people prefer a 10% drop in tension.

Currently when using the same string and cross the tensions should remain the same. When blending strings, ie polys and syn gut or gut, the poly should be 4 lbs less than the syn gut or natural gut. This can vary according to gauge of strings being used, but in general there is a 4 pound difference.

Gut / poly hybrid - same tension or differential?

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