schmke
Legend
Nope, you can't be DQ'd during Nationals, but you can after it is over, and matches played there stand.
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CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
My 3.5 buddy broke his leg in 4 spots, had to get multiple screws and a titanium rod inserted in his leg, couldn't walk for months and they didn't grant him a medical appeal.
yeah I understand, the USTA has cracked down on giving out medicals over the past few years, but there are still a privileged few who get them.
Just noticed today that Louisiana has a former Super Champ player from 2014 self rate as a 3.5 in 2019. I was feeling ok against that team until learning this. I assume this guy will blow us all out of the water.
Vox Rationis
Professional
I know a 55 and over guy who got bumped up to 5.0 and then a month later got hit by a car which broke his neck. He was out for most the year. The next year comes around and the USTA still doesn’t grant his medical appeal.
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Protest time?
with it taking 6 matches over 3 days to win @4.0 Mens. It is going to be the team with the most singles depth. Doesn't look like anyone really has that many guys signed up so it will come down to who can juggle their lineups the best.
How do you feel about your singles lines? You guys seems more doubles oriented.
our doubles lines are really solid, but no one yet has swept us in singles. We can definitely roll a handful of guys at singles and feel good about our chances.
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
Not even sure it would do any good at this point. Now I see he played Tennis on Campus at University of Illinois. You would think the USTA would track that.
Vox Rationis
Professional
huh? stacked as in loaded, full of strong players, etc...
schmke
Legend
Same base word, two different terms.
@Vox Rationis referred to a "stacked" team, which just means they are loaded/stacked with a lot of good players.
The term "stacking" refers to a line-up where the player(s) on court 1 are not as strong as those on court 2 or 3. This is a strategy the tries to capitalize on the perception that court 1 is supposed to have the strongest players, then court 2, then court 3 (despite the USTA saying this is not required and each court is just another court) by trying to "throw" a court by putting a weak player on court 1 conceding the loss in order to have strong players on other courts against the opponents weaker players to try to get the team win.
https://computerratings.blogspot.com/2021/07/2021-southern-18-over-sectionals-are.html
For any of those interested in reading his article. I obviously don't like it
but I'm sure it's factual
For any of those interested in reading his article. I obviously don't like it
but I'm sure it's factual
schmke
Legend
Well, I wouldn't go so far as calling it factual, but it is objective based on the data available and tends to be right more often than not. But there are usually at least some surprises, it rarely goes true to form across the board.https://computerratings.blogspot.com/2021/07/2021-southern-18-over-sectionals-are.html
For any of those interested in reading his article. I obviously don't like it
Yikes! Doesn't bode well for my 3.0 Alabama team.
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
https://computerratings.blogspot.com/2021/07/2021-southern-18-over-sectionals-are.html
For any of those interested in reading his article. I obviously don't like it
What source is he using for the ratings? Does he have access to actual USTA or is he estimating based on his own formula?
They have been sending me emails about using a website called www.matchtennisteam.com and logging in that way with the same registration info we used to register for Sectionals. I haven't logged in yet though to the site.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
schmke
Legend
My own ratings, been calculating them since 2009, longer than any of the other sites. See links on right hand side of my blog for more info.
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Ah didn't realize that was your blog. Do you still provide personal ratings? Curious where I am now.
schmke
Legend
Yep, still do individual, team, flight, and other reports
Is there a vanity add-on where you can tell me I'm better than the numbers say?
ncgator
Rookie
NC 4.5 team plays GA in first match on Friday so that should be telling and a good match. NC plays TN Sat morning so they have a tough draw. Played against them this spring and they have a solid team.
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
Thank, that's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure because sometimes the context made me wonder if some people thought having a stacked team was somehow underhanded. When in fact it is just how you win in the current system.
Yeah there is only so much the ratings can do when you have people that sandbag and come out of nowhere. So suprises are bound to happen.
Vox Rationis
Professional
Yeah. Tennessee 4.0 is full of self rates. Over half their team I think. When people have such little data to go off of it can easily underrate their ratings I’d guess. Especially if they are actively trying to deflate their ratings (not saying TN is). Tennessee is one of my favorites to win based on their players history but I don’t think their rating data supports that.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Yes, I don't know if TN will win, but the teams that didn't win TN had self rating 4.0s with, broken record, 80% wins in 4.5 and 5.0 this season, so maybe the other state 4.0s are equally "stacked" lol, but I doubt it? If so, I am impressed with the Southern ability to shimmy shimmy down to 4.0 to win.
schmke
Legend
I can be tricky to rate players/a team that has a lot of self-rates, especially if they play against the same team 5 times in their local league like the TN team did. They had to play 4 teams at State though, so those should help make the ratings more representative.
Vox Rationis
Professional
Those guys you keep mentioning. Their records don't say they played 5.0. It say 5.0 Tri-level doubles 3, which is the 4.0 line of those tri-level matches. They definitely played up and did okay at 4.5 but even then a lot of their 4.5 wins were against other 4.0s. None of them seem remotely close to 5.0.
I think you're looking at the wrong players. There was a team that didn't win 4.0 state in TN that had two guys who each played 1 or 2 matches at the 5.0 line in tri level and won.
Vox Rationis
Professional
But the only guy to fit that description is the Colin guy who only played 1 match on the 5.0 line and ended up getting DQ’d after states. The other 4.0s from his team, like the Macon brothers, never played the 5.0 line. The first guy was definitely way out of level and never should have been a 4.0. But Fuzz made it seem like the whole team was full of guys with similar results to him when really he’s the only one. Like looking at the Macon brothers 4.5 results they ended up beating a lot of other 4.0s which helped their 4.5 winning %.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
It wasn't those guys you mentioned, I also spent about 5 minutes tops on tennis ratings looking at a handful on one team, I think the guys are overall nice so I'm not interested in mentioning names, just doesn't feel important. I didn't play or know the Macon brothers etc. If you've ever seen my posts on ratings I am not generous usually, these guys wouldn't raise an eyebrow playing average 5.0 or high level 4.5. Someone please post the results here of the southern tourney, should be interesting.
Vox Rationis
Professional
Ah okay I was looking at the wrong team then. So they weren’t even on the top two teams at districts?
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
I'm not sure how the final standings ended up, didn't pay much attention.
taydbear7
Professional
https://computerratings.blogspot.com/2021/07/2021-southern-18-over-sectionals-are.html
For any of those interested in reading his article. I obviously don't like it
Wooo Pig Sooie!! #WPS
which level?
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
2.5 women's, best chance.
But isn't naming at least a team makes it worse? I mean if you do imply that there are players clearly sandbagging but never provide names/teams that makes people (like @Vox Rationis or yours truly) try to look it up somehow, and perhaps get the wrong names. After all USTA records are in public domain, is it really out of place to name a name of a clear sandbagger? I mean obviously if one is 100% certain that is the case.....
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
I'm lazy, maybe you are right, but naming a team or a person requires navigating that clunky usta website.
So you mention that there are such and such sandbagging players, and you claim their results in _multiple leagues_, and what their records are - which you must have I presume got from that clunky USTA site - but you are too lazy to name/remember the team/name? ok, cool....
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
I mentioned tennisrecord.com more than once, isn't that cool, or maybe you........failed.......to.......read.....love you kiss kiss
Vox Rationis
Professional
Nah I get it. He doesn’t want to lead to the slander of random guys who none of us actually know. That’s perfectly respectable. I’m just a curious individual who’s good at looking stuff up.
schmke
Legend
Close first matches for the 4.0 men. All 3-2 scores.
3-2 win for GA over NC and two of the wins were match tie-breaks.
LA also beat MS 3-2, also two match tie-break wins.
TN got AL 3-2, both of AL's courts were in match tie-breaks and one for TN.
SC beat KY 3-2, two of SC's wins in match tie-breaks and one for KY.
3-2 win for GA over NC and two of the wins were match tie-breaks.
LA also beat MS 3-2, also two match tie-break wins.
TN got AL 3-2, both of AL's courts were in match tie-breaks and one for TN.
SC beat KY 3-2, two of SC's wins in match tie-breaks and one for KY.
schmke
Legend
And, BTW, since they finally put schedules on TennisLink, I could do my simulation.
Before the event, the teams most likely to advance to semis were GA, KY, TN, MS. This is different from what I wrote on my blog as this factors in schedule, not just team strength. SC has a tougher schedule than TN so they slip out.
Now, after one match they are GA, KY, SC, TN. The loss by MS has put them behind the curve allowing SC back in.
Before the event, the teams most likely to advance to semis were GA, KY, TN, MS. This is different from what I wrote on my blog as this factors in schedule, not just team strength. SC has a tougher schedule than TN so they slip out.
Now, after one match they are GA, KY, SC, TN. The loss by MS has put them behind the curve allowing SC back in.
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