Medvevev USO 2021 vs Del Potro USO 2009
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NAS
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Last year semi was really close, Med loosing concentration mid match allowed Thiem to have edge in those Tiebrakes.
NAS
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But what about Thiem final vs Med final
Amen786
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Del potro in 3 straight sets
Amen786
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So Theim displayed a higher level in the final?
Now I have seen it all.
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NAS
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Thiem will loose in three set, it was Zverev who choked after being break up in third set
Daniil 2019 against DelPo 09 would be a more fitting comparison. Similar plots, albeit different results. The green one is cold, the champ makes it look easy, then the green one goes red hot once they realize they have nothing to lose.
Hard to fit this year in. Daniil went sharp and steady against a snakebitten champ who had some sort of struggle going on. We don't know how well he was capable of playing on that night because Novak hardly pushed him to his limits. If anything, the crowd pushed him somewhat.
DelPo on the other hand was the snakebitten one for almost two sets of that final. Once he loosened up, Fed was lost. I knew that if DelPo plays the way he did against Nadal in the semis, Roger will get beaten baad.
I believe the 09 final is the one Fed fans are in denial about. Federer overachieved that year, his stock was inflated and people acted as if the good times were back. They were not. Anyone who understands the game knew that Roger's ability was a far cry from 2006, and that DelPo was definitely capable of beating him on skill and power alone, but the true fight would be carried out in the head. Once he got that sorted, he sorted annoyed Roger as well. It's absolutely not that Roger allowed him to do anything. He allowed himself.
Hard to fit this year in. Daniil went sharp and steady against a snakebitten champ who had some sort of struggle going on. We don't know how well he was capable of playing on that night because Novak hardly pushed him to his limits. If anything, the crowd pushed him somewhat.
DelPo on the other hand was the snakebitten one for almost two sets of that final. Once he loosened up, Fed was lost. I knew that if DelPo plays the way he did against Nadal in the semis, Roger will get beaten baad.
I believe the 09 final is the one Fed fans are in denial about. Federer overachieved that year, his stock was inflated and people acted as if the good times were back. They were not. Anyone who understands the game knew that Roger's ability was a far cry from 2006, and that DelPo was definitely capable of beating him on skill and power alone, but the true fight would be carried out in the head. Once he got that sorted, he sorted annoyed Roger as well. It's absolutely not that Roger allowed him to do anything. He allowed himself.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Delpo played clearly better in RG 2009 semi and fed still beat him.
fed serving at like 51% with 11 DFs in USO 2009 final has got nothing to do with delpo.
Fed had beaten Soderling and Djokovic playing well at the USO. If he had played anywhere near that level, he'd have beaten delpo.
2009 delpo was up against prime fed, 2019 med up against well past his prime nadal. delpo levelled to make it 1-1. med down 0-2.
So all in all, your post is a whole load of bullcr*p.
It's good that you mention RG 09. DelPo should have beaten Roger there, and the fact Fed almost got beaten by Tommy Haas of all people at the same event only underlines how misleading his results were that year. So misleading that the fact finally facing an opponent that didn't want to get beaten made him so shaky his game including serve fell apart completely... keeps his sycophants deluded to this day, have a nice one.
But your post is not a complete load of crap, I'll give you that. Although both Medvedev 2019 and DelPo 09 were first time finalists coming back from early nerves, it's true that Nadal, as expected, in spite of his age, managed to deal with the tricky situation, while Fed is a notorious failure when playing against his equals (let alone superiors), which makes my comparison nonsensical. Thanks for pointing that out.
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maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Del Potro hasn't even won a single set against Novak djokovic in 3 matches at USO ,whereas Medvedev beat him in 3 sets ..
Medvedev's Serve was too much superior and wouldn't be able to be broken by most ( if not Djokovic ) .
Also Meddy seems mentally stronger than Delpo , look how brilliantly Meddy dealt with the disrespectful crowd and still came out trumps .
So my opinion is Medvedev wins .
But I can totally understand if people think Delpo will win .
This is a hypothetical scenario .
So ,noone knows what would happen .
Medvedev's Serve was too much superior and wouldn't be able to be broken by most ( if not Djokovic ) .
Also Meddy seems mentally stronger than Delpo , look how brilliantly Meddy dealt with the disrespectful crowd and still came out trumps .
So my opinion is Medvedev wins .
But I can totally understand if people think Delpo will win .
This is a hypothetical scenario .
So ,noone knows what would happen .
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abmk
Bionic Poster
fed had a nervous match vs Haas because of pressure coming onto him after nadal was eliminated. He played damn well vs Monfils, GOATed vs Soderling in the final and played well enough vs delpo in the semi. The fact that federer beat that red-hot delpo says a lot. Djoko hasn't beaten anyone at RG playing at that level (no, Nadal RG 21 semi isn't. Laughably delusional to think he is)
But you are a Djoko obssessed guy who probably didn't watch much tennis before 2011, so.
Nadal 09 got obliterated by delpo at USO, pal.
Nadal just lucky he got a med, clearly well below delpo's level, in USO 19. USO 09 delpo would've toyed with him. 09 USO delpo beats 19 Nadal easily.
tricky situation lol. Nadal could've finished it off in 3 sets. choked. that allowed med to come back.
fed was the only one to beat djoko in 11 in a slam and came close to it 2nd time. whereas nadal was getting beaten left right.
Fed has a leading h2h vs nadal on both grass (3-1 at Wimbledon) and HC. lead the h2h vs djoko as well before he turned 33+. Djokovic taking full advantage of his luck.
So again, yet another post of yours is a load of utter sh*tty-sh*t.
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This comparison is ridiculous, go watch the matches Djokovic beat Del Potro and last Sunday final. Djokovic was very very far from that level.
I think last year semifinal answers this question pretty well. Medvedev dominated a poor draw just to be beaten in straights by Thiem. Del Potro would do more o less the same. Medvedev has much more trouble with guys who can keep up with him in rallies instead of ballbashing a match away, and Del Potro could rally much better in 2009 than Djokovic in this US Open
InsideOut900
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Nadal was up 2 sets and a break, yet somehow he was the one in a tricky situation? How did it even come to him nearly losing?
Also Del Potro beat Nadal 6-2 6-2 6-2 back in the day. Good luck for 33 years old Dal surviving that.
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Kralingen
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I definitely think Medvedev takes the first set for what it’s worth, with that serving performance + delpo’s crap start.
So not the craziest thing to believe that Med could have a chance at winning it, his serve was looking good and he did a disciplined job of cutting off FH angles off the ground. I don’t see him hitting to JMDP’s forehand soooo many times, lol.
I pick DelPo ‘09 Bc he beat the obviously better opponent, but in terms of a H2H matchup the match would be a lot more dynamic and closer.
So not the craziest thing to believe that Med could have a chance at winning it, his serve was looking good and he did a disciplined job of cutting off FH angles off the ground. I don’t see him hitting to JMDP’s forehand soooo many times, lol.
I pick DelPo ‘09 Bc he beat the obviously better opponent, but in terms of a H2H matchup the match would be a lot more dynamic and closer.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Its one thing facing 09 prime fed who had completed the channel slam, won Cincy.
another to face med.
if delpo was facing med, he wouldn't have started out that way.
I don't think delpo was cr*p in the 1st set at all. he was decent. fed was too good off the ground. level dipped from both in the 2nd set actually. fed decided to mess around and delpo raised his level to break back with fed serving for the set.
abmk
Bionic Poster
FYI @Kralingen :
1st set stats of USO 09 final:
fed 1st serve% = 41
delpo 1st serve% = 54
fed winners+errors forced to UEs = 29 to 8
delpo winners+errors forced to UEs = 19 to 6
1st set stats of USO 09 final:
fed 1st serve% = 41
delpo 1st serve% = 54
fed winners+errors forced to UEs = 29 to 8
delpo winners+errors forced to UEs = 19 to 6
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InsideOut900
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If Del Potro drops the early break, I am almost sure he drops the set. But I can see him comeback afterwards.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Like I said, highly doubtful he's going to start out vs Med like he did vs Fed. Do you remember the point that earned fed the early break in the 1st set of USO 09 final?
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
That’s a good point, but I felt he was pretty nervous starting the match and didn’t really get engaged. I mean broken right off the bat similar to Djokovic and then Fed beat him off the ground. First set Fed was great, yes but DelPo looked and played slow until he went down that break in the 2nd
I have a mental block analyzing that match bc by all intents and purposes Fed should have taken that match in my eyes.
By the same token I think Medvedev barely had to face any comebacks and Djokovic choked 2/3 BPs, so it’s hard to know how he would’ve responded. But when Med is serving like that vs a nervous opponent who is down an early break I still feel he would take the first set.
DelPo also won a lot of points against Fed’s slice and net rush and was on point with passing shots on those, Med did that very few times. It’s a tough dynamic to imagine because ‘09 Fed and ‘21 Medvedev have almost nothing in common in terms of point construction and playstyle.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Med's mental toughness isn't at that level to be able to keep up with delpo's hitting for that long IMO.
Don't forget his 5th set record is awful as well.
its one thing to absorb those delpo body blows over Bo3. But over Bo5? not easy.
Med is not DJoko or Murray or Hewitt in terms of counterpunching.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Like I said, delpo was nervous in his 1st slam final against a prime fed high on confidence winning like 31 of his last 32 matches (Madrid, RG, Wim, Cincy;only loss in Canada to tsonga; beat Soderling&Djokovic at USO).
He most likely won't be vs Med.
Also see the stats of the 1st set b/w fed-delpo in USO 09 I posted.
-snake-
Hall of Fame
Can't believe old users are buying into the Medvepush hype. Even Vanderchoochoo and the Sinner kid played better than Joe in the final. Novak was a freaking zombie.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Wow at the serve stats for DelPo in the later sets especially 4th & 5th. Also 26 UEs in the 2nd and he still won that set, which is absurd.
I think he pulls it out in the end, tbh. This would be undoubtedly interesting to see if DelPo holds his nerve vs court coverage & deep center pushing vs how med responds to an opponent who actually has some physical explosion left and has the power to hit him off the court.
abmk
Bionic Poster
exactly. I don't think 2nd set from delpo was better than 1st set. Just that he held his nerve towards the end and fed was significantly worse enabling him to grab it.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Overall sure, this tourney however? Med was tough mentally.
I don't shy away from criticizing next gen but Med legit played great this tourney, credit where it's due.
He's still the type of player that bothers him. A guy like Thiem can overwhelm Med but he hits a much heavier ball than Delpo who's a flat hitter which would allow Med to use his pace.
Med would return Delpo's serve well, run everything down and he served great himself the whole tourney (pretty sure his serving stats were the best).
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zagor
Bionic Poster
Nah, I'd still take Zombievak over those two mugs, easily.
I don't think Med's gonna become a dominant slam winner now and I do consider his 2019 USO very much overrated (by Nadal fans, predictably) but this tourney? Yeah, I think he legit played great slam winning worthy tennis, sue me.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Not just that, his serve was off too (he served ~50% IIRC). It was the story of Fed's 2009, he won 2 slam finals where he served well and lost the 2 where he didn't.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Med was solid in the final, but he wasn't tested to a great extent either (in the final or in the tournament for that matter). delpo overcame 3 different kinda players in the QF/SF/F of USO 09 (Cilic/Nadal/Fed). I can't see Med as favorite at all. Sorry, not even close.
Delpo serves clearly better than Thiem and returns significantly better.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
My comparison is as ridiculous as your belief in Delpo in an " imaginary match /hypothetical match ".
I already said , I can totally understand that some people might think Delpo will win and that is totally fine .
But noone knows who would win , as this is not a real match but an " imaginary " one !
spottishwood
Hall of Fame
Delpo would start slow as usual, if med gets away with the first two sets, it'll be pretty tough for delpo to get(not unachievable), if med chokes a set like fed in USO'09, he's no way winning.
aman92
Legend
People voting for Delpo what does he have over Med except for his forehand? Med serves better, can return well, has a much better backhand than delpo which he can hit cross court to Delpo's backhand all day. Agreed that Delpo beat a superior opponent in Fed but matchup wise, Med is terrible for Del Potro
Yeah, it’ just a guess, if I were that confident in them, I might be a betting man.
But your comparison was based on facts, and you have to be very dishonest to imply Djokovic in this US Open, especially the final, compares to how he played in 2012 or 2018.
Del Potro in 2009 had a great backhand, before the USO final his backhand was more talked about than his forehand.
The difference in their serves does not compare to the difference in their forehands. Serve+forehand combo is one of the greatest weapons in tennis.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
I agree , Djokovic wasn't at his best .
But that would be like taking away credit from Medvedev .
Meddy has been the most consistent Harcourt player at slams among the young Gen .
It was just a matter of time before he won a hardcourt slam .
Since Australian Open 2019-USO 2021 , he has only lost to either eventual champion or former champion on Hardcourt slams .
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