Trying to classify the Laver Cup. What is it really?
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Mustard
Bionic Poster
It's supposed to be tennis' version of the Ryder Cup. Rather more important than an exhibition.
fedfan08
Professional
I wish the courts were a bit faster but other than that it’s a great atmosphere. The crowd there is more into it than at regular non-slam tour events.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
When he kicks the bucket, they'll gold plate his skull and make it the new trophy.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
What's higher than a slam?
Whatever that is, that's what Laver Cup is.
Whatever that is, that's what Laver Cup is.
Bubcay
Legend
The point is that it looks and feels - fake. Fake team spirit is the worst...
who did Roddick mention as being 5th player on team but he was 4 in the world?
Nice post. I am enjoying it. Loved the Rublev/Schwartzman match.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Biggest event in tennis. Period.
Atp cup is boring as hell....Laver cup is exciting.It's the ATP's idea of trying to take away from Davis Cup! The ITF and ATP have been at war for as long as I can remember and each have done things to hurt themselves and the game! I didn't think it could get worse with dueling YEC's back in the 90's (GS CUP a joke)! After all the whinging about long seasons, Federer of all people created this glorified exhibition called the Laver Cup! I've watched a few points here and there, but I can't take it seriously! The ATP Cup was interesting last year when Novak led Serbia to the Cup, but the dynamics were different with Nadal and Med challenging Novak at the end!
fedfan08
Professional
Yeah I’m sure the organizers sat down and said lets stage team Europe leading team World 11-1 after day two.
Fiero425
Legend
Players are forgetting to "lay down;" esp. Matteo who was on the ropes yesterday! He should have allowed poor FAA that victory to help keep it competitive!
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Sorry. I need to go back to the Srsh thread. I might answer to you later, probably never.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Well, I'm sure it'll be around at least as long as Roger is. Likely post-playing he'll only put more effort into it, not less. If people keep attending, and it keeps making money then every reason to assume it'll flourish, and someone will pick it up when he's gone. The key, I guess, is that people need to care about the players involved to at least some degree. I don't suppose the old folks can sustain it all that long.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
MN No. 1 fan of the WWE Laver Cup.The ATP cup is just a.......
Oval_Solid
Hall of Fame
its for fed to test out the concept of a team tennis tour
Hitman
Bionic Poster
rUDin 21
Hall of Fame
I knew i would attract some kind of WWE meme.The ATP cup is just a.......
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
A poor man’s new format Davis Cup.
New format Davis Cup is a poor man’s traditional format Davis Cup.
It is not an exhibition. It is like Olympics & Davis Cup, where the matches count on each player's record, but no ranking points are awarded.
But it is not an ITF event, it is an ATP event. Obviously a different playing format from Olympics or Davis Cup, or any other tournament.
Eligibility is that 3 players (used to be 4 prior to 2019 or 2021, unsure) are the top ranked players eligible for each team.
Of course, the player also has to accept to play. This year, Djokovic declined, but #2 Medvedev, #3 Tsitsipas, #4 Zverev, accepted for Team Europe. [6]Nadal, [8]Thiem, [9]Federer are all injured. So, #5, Rublev was Captain Borg's 1st extra choice (he can chose 3 of any European players), #7 Berrettini, was his second choice, and #10 Ruud was third choice. So Borg chose strictly by ranking. Of course, nobody can say they didn't deserve to be there from Team Europe. Team World was a little different. The top 3 were top rankings based, #11, 12, and 15, Auger-Aliassime, Shapovalov, and Schwartzman are the top ranked World players and they all accepted. Team World Captain McEnroe's choices where #19 Opelka, #22 Isner and #95 Kyrgios. Kyrgios is the only player that looks out of place based on rankings, but he has put in some great performances in past Laver Cups, and is a crowd favorite, and McEnroe likes him, also for his doubles play. I'm not sure if #17 Garin and #21 De Minaur were available to play, but Twin Towers Opelka and Isner were obvious choices for McEnroe. I believe Feliciano Lopez, and Jack Sock were chosen as alternates by the respective captains.
So it is kind of like the end of year Tour Finals (Masters Cup), in terms of eligibility, the top players are selected, but with additions by team captains.
With 4 matches played each day, the scoring format is design to reduce the possibility of dead rubbers, but they are still possible on the last day as we saw this year if one team absolutely dominates the early results. 4 Points (1/match) are available day 1, 8 (2/match) on day 2, and 12 (3/match) on day 3. Team World was 11-1 behind, and needed to win all matches on day 3 to win. After losing the 1st, it was over - 14-1.
All players get a base amount of money for playing, but the winning team's players get much more, so there is much more at stake than Olympics or Davis Cup, and probably another reason why intensity is so high, besides players wanting to win for their team.
Sure, Team World might benefit from having Russia added to their side. World countries don't have the top ranked players as they used to more than 20-30 years ago.
Maybe EU vs the World? Eh, it might be too political.
But it is not an ITF event, it is an ATP event. Obviously a different playing format from Olympics or Davis Cup, or any other tournament.
Eligibility is that 3 players (used to be 4 prior to 2019 or 2021, unsure) are the top ranked players eligible for each team.
Of course, the player also has to accept to play. This year, Djokovic declined, but #2 Medvedev, #3 Tsitsipas, #4 Zverev, accepted for Team Europe. [6]Nadal, [8]Thiem, [9]Federer are all injured. So, #5, Rublev was Captain Borg's 1st extra choice (he can chose 3 of any European players), #7 Berrettini, was his second choice, and #10 Ruud was third choice. So Borg chose strictly by ranking. Of course, nobody can say they didn't deserve to be there from Team Europe. Team World was a little different. The top 3 were top rankings based, #11, 12, and 15, Auger-Aliassime, Shapovalov, and Schwartzman are the top ranked World players and they all accepted. Team World Captain McEnroe's choices where #19 Opelka, #22 Isner and #95 Kyrgios. Kyrgios is the only player that looks out of place based on rankings, but he has put in some great performances in past Laver Cups, and is a crowd favorite, and McEnroe likes him, also for his doubles play. I'm not sure if #17 Garin and #21 De Minaur were available to play, but Twin Towers Opelka and Isner were obvious choices for McEnroe. I believe Feliciano Lopez, and Jack Sock were chosen as alternates by the respective captains.
So it is kind of like the end of year Tour Finals (Masters Cup), in terms of eligibility, the top players are selected, but with additions by team captains.
With 4 matches played each day, the scoring format is design to reduce the possibility of dead rubbers, but they are still possible on the last day as we saw this year if one team absolutely dominates the early results. 4 Points (1/match) are available day 1, 8 (2/match) on day 2, and 12 (3/match) on day 3. Team World was 11-1 behind, and needed to win all matches on day 3 to win. After losing the 1st, it was over - 14-1.
All players get a base amount of money for playing, but the winning team's players get much more, so there is much more at stake than Olympics or Davis Cup, and probably another reason why intensity is so high, besides players wanting to win for their team.
Sure, Team World might benefit from having Russia added to their side. World countries don't have the top ranked players as they used to more than 20-30 years ago.
Maybe EU vs the World? Eh, it might be too political.
Standaa
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Slicehand
Guest
i prefer total tennis showdown, that real tennis, mouratoglu is a genious! the tony robbins of tennis
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
bro
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
That fake, really?
flanker2000fr
Hall of Fame
It's Fed's retirement plan: a super exhibition masqurading as a major event.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Fed’s 401K?
fedfan08
Professional
So would a Russian golfer not get to play in the Ryder Cup? Anyway many of the Laver Cup matches were interesting. There were several that team World could/should have won. It was closer than the scoreline indicates.
Clay lover
Legend
I don't know why people are so desperate to bring it down by constantly reminding us of the fact that it's an exho. Most fans here do know that it is an exho but enjoy it for what it is nevertheless. The bigger problem lies in the imbalance of the teams.
Bubcay
Legend
I do not think that anybody doubts the quality of the matches, most were quite fierce and good. I think it is the whole 'team spirit' thing, when we all know some of them do not stand each other and were quite vocal in critisizing each other (i.e. Zverev/Tsistipas). It all looks staged to me. Someone mentioned Davis cup and compared the two - the difference is that in Davis cup they play for their countries, so patriotic effect comes in. In the Laver cup?
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