Graf1stClass
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What would I be joking about?Not sure if serious or too serious.
What would I be joking about?Not sure if serious or too serious.
She's indeed. Also, I'm sure Fernandez is not looking for cocaine and dinky Martin"k"a serve either.She's dead.
Not remotely controversial. But Martinka 97 being better than Serena 2002/2012 is super-controversial and that's an opinion that the OP holds or rather holds onto with all his might. The problem with the OP is he has lots of brilliant perspectives to give, which are all sadly clouded by his extreme partiality to Martinka and, as it turns out, Kournikova.Is it really a controversial opinion that this WTA era is weak compared to the 2000s? The fact that Serena had so much success in the 10s even with her poorer mobility is evidence enough of that. 2000s had major champs like Mauresmo, Sharapova, Henin, Clijsters and very solid top 10 players like Dementieva, Safina, Petrova, Myskina. You even had some of the older champs towards the end of their careers like Davenport and Capriati. Just a great era for women's tennis.
She's unfortunately no longer with us. Let me repeat myself again. If those two teenagers had gone back to the good days, they'd have been begging Novotna and the like for advice on their overheads and volleys. That is, if they had any sense. If you don't understand what I mean, you're about to find out in minutes. Watch Fernandez handle her next match, very closely.She's dead.
Now I see you clearly. You're a joker with no class. Like the other Talk Tennis pencil-pushers, you spent your time talking about how amazing Raducanu was and how wrong I was to criticize her game. To no real coach's surprise, the girl lost her very next match in terrible fashion, and the pencil-pusher tries to sweep his embarrassing assumptions and lack of tennis experience under the rug to try and sling some mud at another woman, like the child he is. Teaching you is quickly becoming a waste of my time.She's indeed. Also, I'm sure Fernandez is not looking for cocaine and dinky Martin"k"a serve either.
Everything I said is true. Hingis had a great ground game but an awful serve and she took cocaine. You don't even know that Novotna is dead and advocating a dead woman to be her coach. The only child here is you who has such a thin skin.She's unfortunately no longer with us. Let me repeat myself again. If those two teenagers had gone back to the good days, they'd have been begging Novotna and the like for advice on their overheads and volleys. That is, if they had any sense. If you don't understand what I mean, you're about to find out in minutes. Watch Fernandez handle her next match, very closely.
Now I see you clearly. You're a joker with no class. Like the other Talk Tennis pencil-pushers, you spent your time talking about how amazing Raducanu was and how wrong I was to criticize her game. To no real coach's surprise, the girl lost her very next match in terrible fashion, and the pencil-pusher tries to sweep his embarrassing assumptions and lack of tennis experience under the rug to try and sling some mud at another woman, like the child he is. Teaching you is quickly becoming a waste of my time.
Yeah but Halep #11 also lost to Sasnovich too! So what does that matter, a coach?Raducanu playing without a coach lost a match.
She's unfortunately no longer with us. Let me repeat myself again. If those two teenagers had gone back to the good days, they'd have been begging Novotna and the like for advice on their overheads and volleys. That is, if they had any sense. If you don't understand what I mean, you're about to find out in minutes. Watch Fernandez handle her next match, very closely.
So, what did you learn? Lost on a volley, did she not?If you are such a good coach then why don't you apply for the job.
I'll give you credit for this, although she was bound to lose at some point...So, what did you learn? Lost on a volley, did she not?
Goodnight, youngin.
As long as courts as slow as molasses, they don't need a net game, I agree about overheads at least, I hate constant swinging volleys.On the whole, I'd agree it's generally apparent both Fernandez and Raducanu need stronger net games, overheads, volleys, etc. I've felt Rybakina as a young player has had better net game than those two, but she seems to have some mental hurdles or not enough drive on the court. Swiatek felt like the most talented with her breakout FO win, but I dunno if her change of racquet screwed things up so much for her or something else. Anyway, I have the most fun watching Badosa.
Swiatek, another case of the "told you so" story. There's still some years for all of them, including Rybakina, but the clock doesn't stop ticking. Most of these ladies aren't Agassi. Net games end points quicker, but they're also easier on the body than grinding on the baseline. If these ladies, especially Fernandez, plan to have long careers with less physical wear, there's their first step.On the whole, I'd agree it's generally apparent both Fernandez and Raducanu need stronger net games, overheads, volleys, etc. I've felt Rybakina as a young player has had better net game than those two, but she seems to have some mental hurdles or not enough drive on the court. Swiatek felt like the most talented with her breakout FO win, but I dunno if her change of racquet screwed things up so much for her or something else. Anyway, I have the most fun watching Badosa.
I wanted to come congratulate you on the foresight on the volleys. The flub on final match point was certainly exemplary. Top players of yesteryear would probably not have missed one like that.So, what did you learn? Lost on a volley, did she not?
Goodnight, youngin.
You didn't answer me. Why don't you apply for the job if you with an overinflated sense of ego are such a good coach? You seem to have an axe to grind with these two youngsters who are only 18 and not well rounded.So, what did you learn? Lost on a volley, did she not?
Goodnight, youngin.
She has the desire, and that's the first step to improving. She's not there yet, but she'll hopefully apply some serious practice and get there while she's still hot. One lost tournament at 19 doesn't mean anything, and she's now playing better than at any point in her career.I wanted to come congratulate you on the foresight on the volleys. The flub on final match point was certainly exemplary. Top players of yesteryear would probably not have missed one like that.
Look I never said Gabby and Kournikova at their best are no match for the USO finalists.. I stated their placement on your list does not make sense. Justine had the superior career to Martina. Why is she below Martina? I don't even see Venus whom was in your video.. Even if you count Kournikova's doubles she has done less than Capriati. She's a billion spots above Jana and she always lost to Jana. Would I be in the wrong to claim some sort of favoritism? Ivanovic over Mauresmo? You dismissed the tests Sharapova had run, but she may have been taking a substance before the earliest records. I look at this the same manner I would regard Gunter granting Steffi so-called asterisks, if we can have one we can have the other.The smoke's cleared again, so I'll make a few comments here. And this'll be the last of it, because the people who understand this sport understand that I'm speaking from wisdom and don't need to keep arguing with the average salary-man pretending he's a tennis broadcaster.
OK but the sun was a problem for both players, and it's worse for Leylah because she's shorter... I agree that she can volley better, but no one is going to volley like Tauziat at 19 if they began as a clay court specialist. While you're critiquing Leylah (not all of them were false) Rogers made plenty of mistakes herself. Most of the time she came to the net she was frozen like she didn't know why she decided to come there.She still hugs the net too closely, and her first overhead smacked straight into the ground before bouncing into the net. She nearly fell over with the second overhead,
It makes perfect sense. In fact, I already explained it to you.Look I never said Gabby and Kournikova at their best are no match for the USO finalists.. I stated their placement on your list does not make sense. Justine had the superior career to Martina. Why is she below Martina? I don't even see Venus whom was in your video.. Even if you count Kournikova's doubles she has done less than Capriati. She's a billion spots above Jana and she always lost to Jana. Would I be in the wrong to claim some sort of favoritism? Ivanovic over Mauresmo? You dismissed the tests Sharapova had run, but she may have been taking a substance before the earliest records. I look at this the same manner I would regard Gunter granting Steffi so-called asterisks, if we can have one we can have the other.
You also talk about 'forehand slices' and other weirdness.. Those shots aren't to be lauded. A person should only hit that shot when they are on the run, and Leylah did a good job of that. I also think you're underrating her volleys. She dumped some, but she hit what, three or four in a row in the first set? She knew exactly when to come in. Match point = match point... it doesn't mean 'I couldn't make a volley the entire match'
OK but the sun was a problem for both players, and it's worse for Leylah because she's shorter... I agree that she can volley better, but no one is going to volley like Tauziat at 19 if they began as a clay court specialist. While you're critiquing Leylah (not all of them were false) Rogers made plenty of mistakes herself. Most of the time she came to the net she was frozen like she didn't know why she decided to come there.
1stClass, you must be a part of this new generation. Where I came from, we sucked it up and played the game. I don't mean the game of tennis: there's a much better-known game by the name of "getting ahead in life". If I'd toured with Hingis, I'd have no shame in humbling myself for some advice and being sincere about wanting to listen. The other women could do it. Bollettieri could do it. Federer could do it. So why can't you tolerate it? I didn't say Leylah'd "grovel". But the goal is to let them know you're really relying on them for your own game so that they're more compelled to feel it's worth their time to help you. I could not've reached the 5.0 level (long ago) without the help of dozens of better players. I couldn't've beaten opponents better than that if they didn't tell me their own weaknesses after we'd first played.These aren't my biggest bones to pick with you, someone who says Leylah would be 'begging' Novotna and a fifteen year old for volley advice exudes arrogance like she doesn't have her own team to support her and coach her 24/7. Nobody needs to beg anybody for anything, and it's comments like those that would be the difference from you having a bunch of supporters here, to however many you have in reality now.
Is it really a controversial opinion that this WTA era is weak compared to the 2000s? The fact that Serena had so much success in the 10s even with her poorer mobility is evidence enough of that. 2000s had major champs like Mauresmo, Sharapova, Henin, Clijsters and very solid top 10 players like Dementieva, Safina, Petrova, Myskina. You even had some of the older champs towards the end of their careers like Davenport and Capriati. Just a great era for women's tennis.
Not remotely controversial. But Martinka 97 being better than Serena 2002/2012 is super-controversial and that's an opinion that the OP holds or rather holds onto with all his might. The problem with the OP is he has lots of brilliant perspectives to give, which are all sadly clouded by his extreme partiality to Martinka and, as it turns out, Kournikova.
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Yes indeed, a fact that conveniently eludes dear OP when he raves on about Martinka and chooses to attack today's teens for benefiting from a weak era. Martinka ruled over literally the weakest phase of the 90s and he keeps telling us about how her mythical 'level' was higher than peak Serena/peak Graf.Navratilova in 1982-86, Graf of 1987-89 and 1995/96 and Henin of 2007 were better than Hingis of 1997.
We must not forget that Graf, Seles, Sanchez virtually fell off the cliff in 1997.
Novotna was #2, Coetzer #4, Majoli #6, Spirlea #8.
Well, I think the weakest was when Graf was having a bad time and when Seles won everything.. At least Hingis fell off a horse. That slowed her down a little...Yes indeed, a fact that conveniently eludes dear OP when he raves on about Martinka and chooses to attack today's teens for benefiting from a weak era. Martinka ruled over literally the weakest phase of the 90s and he keeps telling us about how her mythical 'level' was higher than peak Serena/peak Graf.
Come now, even the 91-92 Graf was a stronger one (because at least she got up to Seles in the finals a couple of times and beat her at Wimbledon) than 97 when she was barely there. And Seles was badly overweight, losing left, right and centre in general. And yet, Seles destroyed Hingis at RG in 98. Of course, according to our friend, this is only because Hingis was already no good in 98 compared to 97 and nothing to do with any inherent qualities in Seles' tennis.Well, I think the weakest was when Graf was having a bad time and when Seles won everything.. At least Hingis fell off a horse. That slowed her down a little...
She was, but who else was there? Most of the 90's was weak for the most part except for 1999, but I think the golden age spoiled us too.Come now, even the 91-92 Graf was a stronger one (because at least she got up to Seles in the finals a couple of times and beat her at Wimbledon) than 97 when she was barely there. And Seles was badly overweight, losing left, right and centre in general. And yet, Seles destroyed Hingis at RG in 98. Of course, according to our friend, this is only because Hingis was already no good in 98 compared to 97 and nothing to do with any inherent qualities in Seles' tennis.
Also, Hingis was already on the wane before she fell off a horse. She couldn't keep up with the Williams sisters. And the one time she did, she managed to lose to Capriati. Another time to Davenport. After RG 99, she lost the ability to win big finals.
She was, but who else was there? Most of the 90's was weak for the most part except for 1999, but I think the golden age spoiled us too.
? The horse happened before any of those events..
You're right, she fell off the horse in 97. For some reason, I thought she suffered the fall in 2002 leading to her first retirement.She was, but who else was there? Most of the 90's was weak for the most part except for 1999, but I think the golden age spoiled us too.
? The horse happened before any of those events..
Thank you for the explanation.. I'll continue to believe Bollettieri hurt more pros than it helped, because we can only see the best of results. Sharapova had terrible injuries, and Agassi had a horrible slumping, but I know you only want to look at the best of their bests; so I can agree on that.It makes perfect sense. In fact, I already explained it to you.
I didn't rate those players by their worsts. I rated them by their best averages. Raducanu and Fernandez were rather measly players before two weeks ago. So there's no reason to talk about those parts of their careers if we're believing they've just taken their careers to the next level. I'm not going to include the doldrums of Sabatini or Kournikova's careers for that same reason. I don't expect Raducanu to ever be as big of a choker as the later Sabatini or as injured as the later Kournikova. I didn't rate by majors either, because these two kids, who'd barely won a single title between them, somehow cruised to a slam final among a pitiful field, and they didn't play Graf to win it.
That should answer just about every one of your first questions.
And I believe you, but that's her.. Most people do not and would not dare to keep chopping a forehand, and we don't see this shot used for good reason. Out of curiosity if you can keep it short... what was her best groundstroke in your opinion?Forehand slices aren't weird. They're shots like any other, and both players yesterday used them to throw off the pace along with recover. It's situational as to what kind of stroke you'll want to hit when on the run. Pros default to what their coaches have them practice, and that's what filters down to you on TV. If you don't get the merits of a forehand slice as an offensive shot to apply pressure, you'll want to ease the commenting on Kournikova because that was the second-best groundstroke in her arsenal.
Fair points.. I still think you're critiquing her a touch too harshly because, remember, she did grow up on clay courts where you don't need to hit as many volleys and overhead shots.Leylah volleyed well in most of the first set, but most of those volleys were sitters. That's why she has to take the next step. The '90s volleyers dealt with pace all the time. It's what she struggled with- when Rogers beamed a shot at her and wasn't hitting from a disadvantageous position, Leylah's volleys were unsuccessful. They weren't always out, but they were never putaways. If she can up her volleying to at least Graf's level, that'd be decent. She doesn't need to be Tauziat, or Hingis, Navratilova, Kournikova, Novotna, or anyone from the pre-Open Era. But it's 100% possible for her to reach that goal.
If the sun's such a problem, shade your eyes with your hand or wear a visor. This is simple stuff we're talking. 30 minutes with her, and I'd have her banging overheads like a mini-Sampras. You shouldn't even need to watch the ball if your timing's fair, and Fernandez has natural timing. Her bio-racket mechanics are the issue.
Hmm no, I see what you're saying, but I don't sympathize. Maybe you could change the word to something less demeaning? Begging is in fact annoying and I don't consider that any person would want to be begged to when they have a full schedule. Also, you haven't told me yet why Venus is not on the list.. She is better than Clijsters and Hingis... not to add Kournikova. Venus at her best is better than all of those players except maybe Henin, but it's close for Clijsters and for Hingis... that's how I cannot understand your high placement for Kournikova who lost every meeting with Venus -- even if she won some sets?1stClass, you must be a part of this new generation.
I want to say that was the shoes she wore. Everything about Hingis's life is probably in that Hingis topic I made at the start of the year lolYou're right, she fell off the horse in 97. For some reason, I thought she suffered the fall in 2002 leading to her first retirement.
I agree too that the golden age spoiled us because if everything else looks weak, maybe that's the norm in tennis and the golden age was the aberration.
Thank you for the explanation.. I'll continue to believe Bollettieri hurt more pros than it helped, because we can only see the best of results. Sharapova had terrible injuries, and Agassi had a horrible slumping, but I know you only want to look at the best of their bests; so I can agree on that.
People would have understood you easier if you had stated this from the beginning. Instead, you went on with weird things like 'Raducanu would lose to 13 years old Kournikova' and some other things I don't care to look up. I saw on the first page that you used Miho Saeki to prove your point, but that doesn't connect to me. She was a short woman ranked #80 according to Tennis Abstract... and Kournikova had a monster time with her..
And I believe you, but that's her.. Most people do not and would not dare to keep chopping a forehand, and we don't see this shot used for good reason. Out of curiosity if you can keep it short... what was her best groundstroke in your opinion?
Fair points.. I still think you're critiquing her a touch too harshly because, remember, she did grow up on clay courts where you don't need to hit as many volleys and overhead shots.
Hmm no, I see what you're saying, but I don't sympathize. Maybe you could change the word to something less demeaning? Begging is in fact annoying and I don't consider that any person would want to be begged to when they have a full schedule. Also, you haven't told me yet why Venus is not on the list.. She is better than Clijsters and Hingis... not to add Kournikova. Venus at her best is better than all of those players except maybe Henin, but it's close for Clijsters and for Hingis... that's how I cannot understand your high placement for Kournikova who lost every meeting with Venus -- even if she won some sets?
To be honest, I have to say that analyzing stroke placement without match results has little in the way of common sense. It sounds very subjective and slightly unfair. The match results come from the strokes that made them. If ASV hits 10 bad volleys and loses the match, would you place her above someone with better volleys who wins matches like Novotna? Frankly, it's ridiculous.
Btw, you were wrong about Pegula weren't you? You were saying she had such a good level above Leylah, but I saw her make too many errors in the match I watched. Leylah would've done way better than that IMO.
1999 was so bad that an over-the-hill Steffi with her reconstructed knee could make it to two slam finals (retiring before the fourth slam, the USO) and a still maturing 17-year-old Serena could win the USO.
Thank you for the explanation.. I'll continue to believe Bollettieri hurt more pros than it helped, because we can only see the best of results. Sharapova had terrible injuries, and Agassi had a horrible slumping, but I know you only want to look at the best of their bests; so I can agree on that.
People would have understood you easier if you had stated this from the beginning. Instead, you went on with weird things like 'Raducanu would lose to 13 years old Kournikova' and some other things I don't care to look up. I saw on the first page that you used Miho Saeki to prove your point, but that doesn't connect to me. She was a short woman ranked #80 according to Tennis Abstract... and Kournikova had a monster time with her..
Kournikova's forehand slice was the most effective forehand slice in the Open Era. The only competition is Niculescu, a slice that has less disguise because the forehand's nothing but a slice. Kournikova's slice had more variation as well- she hit the classiest dropshots you'd ever see. The reason is simple: there's no other competition. She practiced the hell out of that shot, and no one on the tour knew what to do with it. If she weren't a Bollettieri player, she would've used it much more often. It didn't have any technical deficiencies like the Graf topspin backhand pass that Sabatini used to enjoy teeing. Her absolute strongest groundstroke was her backhand...a better version of her forehand. More accurate, she was partial to it over her forehand (inside drives), and she could impart a strong sidespin on it with regularity on her slice. The forehand slice was sharper than the backhand slice, but the difference is miniscule. Pound for pound, prime for prime, her left wing was better than Hingis' left wing. If there was ever a problem with either wing, she usually wasn't coming over the ball with sufficient speed (not spin). At times, she even abbrieviated her follow-through. When you hit that hard, it can be difficult to tell.And I believe you, but that's her.. Most people do not and would not dare to keep chopping a forehand, and we don't see this shot used for good reason. Out of curiosity if you can keep it short... what was her best groundstroke in your opinion?
Now that's a riot. You remind me of a little-known prodigy by the name of Martina Hingis. The ravine between her volleys and overheads and Fernandez's comes from the several hundred more hours of hitting she had at 14, compared to Fernandez. I understand that teenagers need a life, but that's how you get that good. By not having one. You have to put in the practice. Were Kournikova's volleys perfect? No, they were not. She often hastily rushed in on the wrong shot and rarely half-volleyed, forcing her to slice up weak replies if she even got there.Fair points.. I still think you're critiquing her a touch too harshly because, remember, she did grow up on clay courts where you don't need to hit as many volleys and overhead shots.
Apparently, you don't realize how badly Kournikova wanted some genuine friends on the tour. Most of her schedule revolved around hours of personal practice or prepping for a sparse number of tournaments where she usually lost early on. The only way you'd get a flat "no" was if the mother got involved. Anna had a few temporary 'groupies' like Seles, but the actual friends were few and far in between until much later. Same with Seles. Neither of these players were jerks. Off-puttingly confident at most. But when you can't win a tournament, things get a bit clearer. Novotna, I could give you some leeway. But Novotna wasn't the type to not mother a player who genuinely asked for help- if she liked you as a competitor, and that's the main deal. I expect both Raducanu and Fernandez with all their social media exposure would've been able to see right through both players. I don't know how they get on with the tour- I'd have to ask my more knowledgeable friends that question. I do know they could ignore social media and let their team handle that aspect of whatever mandatory deals they've made, but you know they're on it.Hmm no, I see what you're saying, but I don't sympathize. Maybe you could change the word to something less demeaning? Begging is in fact annoying and I don't consider that any person would want to be begged to when they have a full schedule. Also, you haven't told me yet why Venus is not on the list..
You're misreading me. I never said Pegula would win the thing. Pegula's a case of the same old. Her level until now really was higher than Fernandez's (Svitolina wasn't healthy), but doesn't matter. She ran into someone from the list. Azarenka, better known as "Ric Flair". The betting odds were against Azarenka, which shows you the insight of the average tennis fan. If Pegula brought her Svitolina A-game, she might've taken a set from Azarenka, but I guarantee you Azarenka would've worn her down in the end. Even though Azarenka's best years are behind her and she's on the very bottom of the list, she still remembers her fundamentals. There's no on/off instinct replacing those fundamentals. The serves have been going in strong like they're supposed to. Much easier than the time Fernandez had. No issues hitting your average volleys. At 2-2 in the 2nd, she knocked a brilliant forehand volley. Pegula followed by flubbing the 100% same overhead that Kournikova hit with ease, 23 years ago. Matter of fact, I'll post it on the site from my Season Pass, just for you. You won't find it in the highlights- you already know why. Pegula will hopefully learn before it's too late: someone who hits so flat needs to be constantly looking to crush the ball as soon as possible. Errors be damned. She would've swept Azarenka away if she did. She can't afford to rally with Azarenka or anyone who hits safer than she does. Azarenka let Pegula implode- Pegula didn't get the memo until three games from the end. Pegula's definitely improved and deserves credit herself, but it's a long way to go when you haven't been taking your career seriously for so long. Compared to Azarenka who took it seriously for so long. And that's why Fernandez needs to take advantage of the time she has. Unlike Pegula, she's not 27.Btw, you were wrong about Pegula weren't you? You were saying she had such a good level above Leylah, but I saw her make too many errors in the match I watched. Leylah would've done way better than that IMO.
Yeah this is a farce, I'm sorry. Before you comment, I did change my mind to an extent on Anna. You won me over with the highlights because it's been so long since I saw her play -- that's why I only talked about the list. It looks real sketchy when you say she's 'Rank -7' and all that, even if you're joking. It is extremely hard to tell when you're exaggerating or serious sometimes, for instance the last line. You sound completely serious about this.. Saeki is also not that impressive if you can lose to someone who doubles that much. Venus would have punished Anna for making all of those mistakes.This will help: Whenever you see someone's ranking in the '90s and want to compare it to today, subtract 20 from it. If Saeki was #80, she's #60 by today's standards. The site put Kournikova at #13. That makes her #-7. #60 should be solid tennis, but the average watcher won't pay attention after #30. Doesn't hurt that Saeki played up to Kournikova and that Kournikova always, always decided where that match was going to go. Every match is played on Kournikova's racket. That's an official tennis rule.
Lol.. I wonder how much Vika can sustain this level.. She may become the first person in history to win IW three times! I have to come clean and confess I did want Leylah to win, but like you said there's always next year. She's just getting started.You're misreading me. I never said Pegula would win the thing. Pegula's a case of the same old. Her level until now really was higher than Fernandez's (Svitolina wasn't healthy), but doesn't matter. She ran into someone from the list. Azarenka, better known as "Ric Flair".
More importantly would she want to? There's no chance she can be an effective s/v player, she's too short. I agreed with you more when you stated she was Michael Chang.Fernandez could become a serve-and-volleyer next year if she wanted to. She can mold herself into anything. The best part is that any losses shouldn't be too disappointing. It's not like the girl's an ATG- yet.
Point taken, again.. I won't be 'that guy' but maybe 2 out of every 10000 pros can become like Martina. Molitor trained her since basically birth.. I like your expectations but they may be too high. You will face disappointment for at least another five years if you don't lower them.Now that's a riot. You remind me of a little-known prodigy by the name of Martina Hingis.
I haven't heard that name in a LOOONG time..... Monica Niculescu's shots were always fun to watch lol. Those backhand passes out of nowhere! The opposite of Steffi. Thank you for the stories and for answering my question btw, if I didn't know better I would figure you knew these guy's camps. No, I still think a 12-year-old girl beating Fernandez or Aryna is a fantasy but you explained your stance, so we can agree to disagree on that. I also have to ask you (with no offensive) if you ever thought to coach the teenagers and why you decided not to, it's a lot of knowledge to let sit on a forum when I can imagine somebody on the tour would listen..Kournikova's forehand slice was the most effective forehand slice in the Open Era. The only competition is Niculescu,
I'm serious. Saeki has a number of strong wins that Fernandez (let alone Raducanu) haven't achieved. You should look them up- you'd be surprised. Being a journeywoman in the '90s doesn't mean the same thing as being a journeywoman now. Subtracting 20 is being kind. That generation was more dedicated than you're telling yourself. Besides, there's like I said: she played up to her earlier, higher standards of the previous year when she played Kournikova. Probably because she was playing Kournikova. Every woman on the tour at the time wanted Kournikova's head as loot. They also didn't want the locker room embarrassment of losing to her, but that never made sense to me.Yeah this is a farce, I'm sorry. Before you comment, I did change my mind to an extent on Anna. You won me over with the highlights because it's been so long since I saw her play -- that's why I only talked about the list. It looks real sketchy when you say she's 'Rank -7' and all that, even if you're joking. It is extremely hard to tell when you're exaggerating or serious sometimes, for instance the last line. You sound completely serious about this.. Saeki is also not that impressive if you can lose to someone who doubles that much. Venus would have punished Anna for making all of those mistakes.
Point taken, again.. I won't be 'that guy' but maybe 2 out of every 10000 pros can become like Martina. Molitor trained her since basically birth.. I like your expectations but they may be too high. You will face disappointment for at least another five years if you don't lower them.
I haven't heard that name in a LOOONG time..... Monica Niculescu's shots were always fun to watch lol. Those backhand passes out of nowhere! The opposite of Steffi. Thank you for the stories and for answering my question btw, if I didn't know better I would figure you knew these guy's camps. No, I still think a 12-year-old girl beating Fernandez or Aryna is a fantasy but you explained your stance, so we can agree to disagree on that. I also have to ask you (with no offensive) if you ever thought to coach the teenagers and why you decided not to, it's a lot of knowledge to let sit on a forum when I can imagine somebody on the tour would listen..
You don't serve-and-volley on every serve, that's madness. But Kournikova wasn't much taller, and she served a good 5-10 MPH faster in her prime. She ran in and successfully volleyed on many of her serves- but Fernandez has the better placement, and that's what wins you the points as a serve-and-volleyer. If nothing else, Fernandez has the workings to become a chip-charge player. That's why she needs to get her volleying up there.More importantly would she want to? There's no chance she can be an effective s/v player, she's too short. I agreed with you more when you stated she was Michael Chang.
Her slice form isn't the best and hurt her stroke, but we saw how far a competent forehand slice can take a player. There's no fantasy with what I said- she was already beating pros and junior pros about to enter the tour, around Gauff and Fernandez's age. The only difference is what a player can do with modern frames and strings. Most important, the strings. Whatever Niculescu and Kournikova could do, Fernandez could do if she practiced it more. I saw my share of glimpses against Rogers.I haven't heard that name in a LOOONG time..... Monica Niculescu's shots were always fun to watch lol. Those backhand passes out of nowhere! The opposite of Steffi. Thank you for the stories and for answering my question btw, if I didn't know better I would figure you knew these guy's camps. No, I still think a 12-year-old girl beating Fernandez or Aryna is a fantasy but you explained your stance, so we can agree to disagree on that. I also have to ask you (with no offensive) if you ever thought to coach the teenagers and why you decided not to, it's a lot of knowledge to let sit on a forum when I can imagine somebody on the tour would listen..
Apparently, you don't realize how badly Kournikova wanted some genuine friends on the tour. Most of her schedule revolved around hours of personal practice or prepping for a sparse number of tournaments where she usually lost early on. The only way you'd get a flat "no" was if the mother got involved. Anna had a few temporary 'groupies' like Seles, but the actual friends were few and far in between until much later. Same with Seles. Neither of these players were jerks. Off-puttingly confident at most. But when you can't win a tournament, things get a bit clearer. Novotna, I could give you some leeway. But Novotna wasn't the type to not mother a player who genuinely asked for help- if she liked you as a competitor, and that's the main deal. I expect both Raducanu and Fernandez with all their social media exposure would've been able to see right through both players. I don't know how they get on with the tour- I'd have to ask my more knowledgeable friends that question. I do know they could ignore social media and let their team handle that aspect of whatever mandatory deals they've made, but you know they're on it.
To your Venus gripe, there really isn't a linear way to discuss this. Venus played better in her match against Kournikova than she did against Graf. I'm not talking about the implosion either: Venus constructed her own service points better against Kournikova, probably because she was more confident in knowing Kournikova'd gift her the match, no matter how badly she was losing. And on that note, Kournikova, in usual fashion, picked Venus and her then-weak forehand apart over the first set, then she realized she only needed one more set like in Miami and flipped on the Error switch, allowing Venus to claw her way back. Believe it or not, the injury she caught at Eastbourne probably helped her to close out that match against Graf, because she was already winning and now wanted to get the hell off the court.
What that tells you: Venus in '98-'99 was far and beyond these teenagers today, all of them, and Kournikova was a better player than Venus whenever she didn't have nerves. Either youth would've wiped the floor with this Indian Wells competition. Kournikova/Venus can only choke so much and not find themselves losing.
Nothing unfair about it, and Venus as of '00 was decidedly better than the Kournikova of '98-99 (not '93) in every area but the volleying/overheads, and variety. She was better than everyone on that list, and that's why she's not there. The main thing lacking from younger Venus was her consistency, but that extra level of consistency isn't necessary when Fernandez and Raducanu were both routed by weaker ball strikers. Simple, brainless ball-bashing currently leaves the kids with no reply.
Novotna's overall game was worse than Vicario's, and that's the thing: I'm rating the overall package these teens need to have. Clijsters is no doubt worse than Henin if the best of each was to play, but Clijsters was better for the tour as a whole. Kournikova lost to Novotna for reasons I already gave, but her best game better suited the average tour conditions. People bring up a weak serve that never existed until after the splint on her thumb. On that note with Novotna, Novotna actually wasn't a volleyer in her early career. She was an aggressive baseliner who later learned to volley/chip-and-charge. That's why she could slug it out if she had to. Just like Pierce, Seles, Anna, and their kind were all-courters who were chewed up by the Bollettieri factory and spit out as ball-bashers who later tried to relearn their earlier variety. A coach can make a player something extra special, or they can destroy a player's natural talent. The basic problem with Bollettieri and Fernandez's camp is that they cultivated talent, and then they held on to it longer than they should've. If you leave the apples out in the sun for too long, they'll rot. That also means you've got time to take them inside. Novotna changed her game when she was older than Fernandez. Fernandez could become a serve-and-volleyer next year if she wanted to. She can mold herself into anything. The best part is that any losses shouldn't be too disappointing. It's not like the girl's an ATG- yet.
You're misreading me. I never said Pegula would win the thing. Pegula's a case of the same old. Her level until now really was higher than Fernandez's (Svitolina wasn't healthy), but doesn't matter. She ran into someone from the list. Azarenka, better known as "Ric Flair". The betting odds were against Azarenka, which shows you the insight of the average tennis fan. If Pegula brought her Svitolina A-game, she might've taken a set from Azarenka, but I guarantee you Azarenka would've worn her down in the end. Even though Azarenka's best years are behind her and she's on the very bottom of the list, she still remembers her fundamentals. There's no on/off instinct replacing those fundamentals. The serves have been going in strong like they're supposed to. Much easier than the time Fernandez had. No issues hitting your average volleys. At 2-2 in the 2nd, she knocked a brilliant forehand volley. Pegula followed by flubbing the 100% same overhead that Kournikova hit with ease, 23 years ago. Matter of fact, I'll post it on the site from my Season Pass, just for you. You won't find it in the highlights- you already know why. Pegula will hopefully learn before it's too late: someone who hits so flat needs to be constantly looking to crush the ball as soon as possible. Errors be damned. She would've swept Azarenka away if she did. She can't afford to rally with Azarenka or anyone who hits safer than she does. Azarenka let Pegula implode- Pegula didn't get the memo until three games from the end. Pegula's definitely improved and deserves credit herself, but it's a long way to go when you haven't been taking your career seriously for so long. Compared to Azarenka who took it seriously for so long. And that's why Fernandez needs to take advantage of the time she has. Unlike Pegula, she's not 27.
Before I forget, I think I saw Fernandez thanking one of the ballpersons two days ago. Credit to her for that, since hardly anyone else does it.
Wrong post- why do you keep asking this when you know the answer.
Well, I think Paula Badosa has the game and just joined your 'list'You saw that Pegula display I showed you. The pros of today are lacking in the basic fundamentals, and even a 12 year old can whoop your ass if you don't have a solid foundation. And you'd be surprised at how much the court shrinks when a little kid is taking your short balls from the net. Pegula never knew the key to hitting that overhead, whether she was losing to Azarenka or beating Svitolina. Now, Raducanu herself hasn't shown to me that she can even handle the prospect of losing games to a 12 year old. That's where the unravel would start. A few years ago, Venus lost to a kid by the name of Gauff on her home turf. Venus'd lost her step, true, but Gauff back then had better fundamentals than Raducanu and Ferndandez. Capriati at Anna's age hit the ball better than not only Gauff but some of the lower-ranked males on the WTT. The reason those '90s hotshot kids lost matches is because they couldn't "play" the game, not because they didn't "have" the game.
When she can beat the '12 version of Azarenka, and not require a 3-setter and two tiebreaks against the old-mother Azarenka who herself gave away a chance to serve for the championship, Badosa will find herself on the list. It's not only the teenagers who aren't ready: no one's ready. Azarenka was better than Badosa in almost every area, until the very end of the match. If you're not talking to a tennis follower, it'd be nigh impossible to explain how this rusty mother ended up losing despite her superior performance, and that's the issue with Badosa's performance. She's damned even with the rusty mother. But congratulations to her.Well, I think Paula Badosa has the game and just joined your 'list'
Vika has had plenty of time to get over motherly rust. That's not the issue. She is just not the player she used to be. Of course Badosa wouldn't beat 2012 Vika at IW. But this year's IW was messed up beginning with the scheduling. The post USO part of the season does often become a ****show because players are too tired to give two ****s. You wouldn't remember the glorious Corretja-Moya YEC final of 1998, would you? They slowed down the Hannover surface a little and lo and behold, Pampras was gone! And actually the WTA Indian Wells event had bizarre winners and finalists in the 90s as players flocked to Key Biscayne rather than IW back then.When she can beat the '12 version of Azarenka, and not require a 3-setter and two tiebreaks against the old-mother Azarenka who herself gave away a chance to serve for the championship, Badosa will find herself on the list. It's not only the teenagers who aren't ready: no one's ready. Azarenka was better than Badosa in almost every area, until the very end of the match. If you're not talking to a tennis follower, it'd be nigh impossible to explain how this rusty mother ended up losing despite her superior performance, and that's the issue with Badosa's performance. She's damned even with the rusty mother. But congratulations to her.
Ok a bunch are stating something to this effect, but what makes Azarenka so worse now? I have to say, that discredits her and Badosa to be making that excuse. Vika did badly in both of the tiebreaks, but that looked more to be nervousness over not being able to play at all. Both of them played exceptional in this final; I give them both full credit, and personally that intensity was loads more than Venus thrashing Kournikova at the Lipton. If that's that, Badosa needs to be somewhere don't you feel? No qualm to place her under Vika.When she can beat the '12 version of Azarenka, and not require a 3-setter and two tiebreaks against the old-mother Azarenka who herself gave away a chance to serve for the championship, Badosa will find herself on the list. It's not only the teenagers who aren't ready: no one's ready. Azarenka was better than Badosa in almost every area, until the very end of the match. If you're not talking to a tennis follower, it'd be nigh impossible to explain how this rusty mother ended up losing despite her superior performance, and that's the issue with Badosa's performance. She's damned even with the rusty mother. But congratulations to her.
Pampras? Lol, I do not believe Vika's as bad as you and Swerve make her out to be. She is neither rusty nor not who she was (same difference really). Making the IW final tells me that, and she had some great wins over big names so you know she could have won a title if she played at her form now all year. Vika in the past, was she the most mentally strong player? I argue it's Serena, but to each their own. There were other finals she could have won in and after 2012; I'm not sure what the point is. She lost another final like everybody on their best day. Badosa played harder -- one of the best finals in years if you want my opinion.Vika has had plenty of time to get over motherly rust. That's not the issue. She is just not the player she used to be. Of course Badosa wouldn't beat 2012 Vika at IW. But this year's IW was messed up beginning with the scheduling. The post USO part of the season does often become a ****show because players are too tired to give two ****s. You wouldn't remember the glorious Corretja-Moya YEC final of 1998, would you? They slowed down the Hannover surface a little and lo and behold, Pampras was gone! And actually the WTA Indian Wells event had bizarre winners and finalists in the 90s as players flocked to Key Biscayne rather than IW back then.
Oh she was no match for Serena, never said she was anyway, but she was well able to beat much tougher opponents than Badosa and on a consistent basis in 2012. In fact I would say she played better at USO 2020 than here. IDK, the whole IW tournament this time was a lottery with it being too late in the season and with quarantines further draining out players.Ok a bunch are stating something to this effect, but what makes Azarenka so worse now? I have to say, that discredits her and Badosa to be making that excuse. Vika did badly in both of the tiebreaks, but that looked more to be nervousness over not being able to play at all. Both of them played exceptional in this final; I give them both full credit, and personally that intensity was loads more than Venus thrashing Kournikova at the Lipton. If that's that, Badosa needs to be somewhere don't you feel? No qualm to place her under Vika.
Pampras? Lol, I do not believe Vika's as bad as you and Swerve make her out to be. She is neither rusty nor not who she was (same difference really). Making the IW final tells me that, and she had some great wins over big names so you know she could have won a title if she played at her form now all year. Vika in the past, was she the most mentally strong player? I argue it's Serena, but to each their own. There were other finals she could have won in and after 2012; I'm not sure what the point is. She lost another final like everybody on their best day. Badosa played harder -- one of the best finals in years if you want my opinion.
I'd like to see it. It's doubtful, but I won't root against her. The reason it's doubtful, it's not these players don't have the game to dominate their fields. Their fields require less game to dominate than ever before. The flipside is no one can maintain their bests levels beyond a maximum of two consecutive tournaments. Any tournament, slam or 250. The next hot prospect jumps in on the slumping cast, and the joke rolls on. If any of these ladies can stand out, they'll find out they don't need the most impressive level to dominate precisely because the rest of the field's dropping their games without exception.Hingis was incredibly talented, perhaps someone like Badosa may find a way to create some consistency in the women's game?
Every time one of the ladies hits the million dollar jackpot they seem to disappear. Who can blame them?
Barty hasn't played in weeks, if I took that much time off, I wouldn't have a job. And tennis is a job, and a grind.
But so is working 9-5. Show up, put up and shut up and give 10% of everything you make to Billie Jean King and her charities because without her you wouldn't be making jack.
1st class, you're not looking at this correctly. I'm not making any excuses. It was bad on Badosa, having tiebreaks forced on her even following her easy-peasy game with that nervous Jabeur where she choked up at the end, measured against that brutal round Azarenka played against the challenging Ostapenko. For most of the match, she was dead-even with the old mother, with all due respect to both of them. I don't need to ask "who would win" or any such comparison. Azarenka served for the match and mentally imploded. That issue's on her, but it shows that the positive components of her as a player are better than the components making up Badosa, because Badosa had to knock at the door after the old Azarenka'd already gotten her foot in. That isn't calling Azarenka "a bad player" because she's gotten older: she's still a competitor for these kids, which- to be blunt- is a shame. Every one of her shots lacks the old punch, her mental's not all the way there, and her movement's taken a hit. I love her new motivation to keep pumping herself. She's got nothing left to lose. A player can still choke with all that confidence: that's why we call it "choking". It's sudden and painful and often hard to stop on your own before major damage is done.Ok a bunch are stating something to this effect, but what makes Azarenka so worse now? I have to say, that discredits her and Badosa to be making that excuse. Vika did badly in both of the tiebreaks, but that looked more to be nervousness over not being able to play at all. Both of them played exceptional in this final; I give them both full credit, and personally that intensity was loads more than Venus thrashing Kournikova at the Lipton. If that's that, Badosa needs to be somewhere don't you feel? No qualm to place her under Vika.
Pampras? Lol, I do not believe Vika's as bad as you and Swerve make her out to be. She is neither rusty nor not who she was (same difference really). Making the IW final tells me that, and she had some great wins over big names so you know she could have won a title if she played at her form now all year. Vika in the past, was she the most mentally strong player? I argue it's Serena, but to each their own. There were other finals she could have won in and after 2012; I'm not sure what the point is. She lost another final like everybody on their best day. Badosa played harder -- one of the best finals in years if you want my opinion.
Ha, well you can tell she's dead-serious angry whenever she isn't doing it. She's taking this loss remarkably well, probably because the next Wells is back at the start of next year. You should've heard Venus and Kournikova as kids.maybe if Azarenka saved all the energy she used on shrieking at the top of her lungs on every shot, she might have had energy to win
Love her but the noise has to stop. Beyond irritating.
The announcers are always talking about how hard they work. Do they work harder than a suburban high school varsity soccer player (male or female)? I'm serious. You can't be on the court more than 4 hours. Do some running and a lot can be accomplished in the gym in 30 minutes. Shut up about cross training. It's called playing another recreational sport. John Updike sat at his desk three hours a day and produced a novel a year. Writer Martin Amis said being an artist is a part time job. Maybe the woman overpractice trying to establish "timing" rather than modifying technique to withstand inevitable slumps. That is what makes matches less stressful.Hingis was incredibly talented, perhaps someone like Badosa may find a way to create some consistency in the women's game?
Every time one of the ladies hits the million dollar jackpot they seem to disappear. Who can blame them?
Barty hasn't played in weeks, if I took that much time off, I wouldn't have a job. And tennis is a job, and a grind.
But so is working 9-5. Show up, put up and shut up and give 10% of everything you make to Billie Jean King and her charities because without her you wouldn't be making jack.
If you're talking about Hingis and Kournikova, Hingis didn't overpractice. But she hit for more than 4 hours. 4 hours isn't a complete practice to players of her caliber unless they're already in their zone. After her '97 rise, she tailored her practices down that way. That was a bad move, and she was back to 6 hours minimum by late-'98. Kournikova never tailored her practices down if her body could handle it, and she practically lived on the court. People have the opposite perception because they used to read the tabloids: reporters and paparazzi harped on each and every little thing she did whenever she was off the court. Nowadays, the forum posters from back then spread rumors from those tabloids, and the newer generations of internet-goers regurgitate what the older forum posters said without bothering to use their heads. You don't tear your feet to shreds by taking photos with your boyfriend all day. In fact, her boyfriends were also some of her hitting partners.The announcers are always talking about how hard they work. Do they work harder than a suburban high school varsity soccer player (male or female)? I'm serious. You can't be on the court more than 4 hours. Do some running and a lot can be accomplished in the gym in 30 minutes. Shut up about cross training. It's called playing another recreational sport. John Updike sat at his desk three hours a day and produced a novel a year. Writer Martin Amis said being an artist is a part time job. Maybe the woman overpractice trying to establish "timing" rather than modifying technique to withstand inevitable slumps. That is what makes matches less stressful.