silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
Why did you get DQ'd? Did you yell at a linesperson?
Official 2022 ratings thread.
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We obviously weren't a nationals team, but we went 2-2 at districts and according to TR zero guys on my team are being bumped. Seems unlikely.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
Vox Rationis
Professional
You guys agree. Stop yelling.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Wondering how this will play out for me. TR has my close to a bump, we won our area, sectionals and team went to nationals. Throw in folks saying TR is .1 to .2 low, that would put me over.
I'll go on record saying 10 will be bumped up, and I may even be a little low for teams that make semis at Nationals. @OnTheLine report back in a few days and let us know which is closer
Same for our team. Only a a few show a high enough rating to be bumped, but team finished top 10 after nationals, sooooo....hmmm....wondering how many will get bumped.
Playing under appeal and got 3 strikes
schmke
Legend
I'll bite again, I show three clear bump ups, three more close.
It looks like they added some kind of credibility calculation that recognizes that they have been way off in the past and attempts to correct for it in the projected year end DNTRP
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
I thought if you go to nationals, half your team gets bumped automatically?Wondering how this will play out for me. TR has my close to a bump, we won our area, sectionals and team went to nationals. Throw in folks saying TR is .1 to .2 low, that would put me over.
Same for our team. Only a a few show a high enough rating to be bumped, but team finished top 10 after nationals, sooooo....hmmm....wondering how many will get bumped.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
I saw this email 2 weeks ago
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, wondering how that will play out as only a few have a high enough NTRP to be bumped.
GummiiBear
Semi-Pro
It looks like I will likely get bumped down. Though I suppose since I self-rated for my first League participation, arguably not. I’m at the borderline (.0051 under Dynamic, according to TR).
This may be a stupid question, but - if I were to get bumped down even if I don’t think that I should, but that’s fine - I can’t be subject to DQ if I were to play “too well” at the bumped down level, right?
This may be a stupid question, but - if I were to get bumped down even if I don’t think that I should, but that’s fine - I can’t be subject to DQ if I were to play “too well” at the bumped down level, right?
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
Computer rated players not subject to strikes. But if you appeal down, appeal players can get strikes.
GummiiBear
Semi-Pro
Ah, cool beans. Thanks. ^_^v
schmke
Legend
Nope, not true. Individual players get bumped up or not based on how they do in their matches, and being Nationals where better players are, many that go do get bumped up. But there is no blanket rule. In fact, the teams that don't do so well at Nationals typically have very few players bumped up.
Now, there is the move-up/split-up rule for Nationals teams where no more than 3 players from a Nationals team can play on the same team in the following year unless the team is playing at the next higher level. This does not mean all, or even half the players on the team are bumped up though.
Separate question, and apologies if this answer is obvious/answered already!
If a member on our team gets rated up, I am aware they are still able to finish any matches left in the session they originally started before the rated up. My question is then if the team he was part of makes regionals/districts etc., is the member that got rated up disqualified from joining that team even though they played a session with them?
If a member on our team gets rated up, I am aware they are still able to finish any matches left in the session they originally started before the rated up. My question is then if the team he was part of makes regionals/districts etc., is the member that got rated up disqualified from joining that team even though they played a session with them?
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
schmke
Legend
Depends on the section.
Some (Southern at least) allow players that are bumped up to continue to play on the lower level early start team through Sectionals. Others allow the player to play at their lower level through the end of 2021 but after that they must play at their bumped up level. In both cases, the player is not eligible to play at Nationals next year at their lower rating.
Moveforwardalways
Hall of Fame
Wednesday December 1
Have you ever analyzed if this gives the ESL teams an advantage at Southern sectionals? The Arkansas state coordinator was fervent that those leagues gave no advantage over teams in the traditional start period.
Moveforwardalways
Hall of Fame
I seriously doubt there is any advantage. Most places do this for the purposes of court availability vs number of players, not for any tactical advantage.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
31 hours left!!
schmke
Legend
And the Arkansas state coordinator is misinformed or just giving you the party line.
I haven't done a thorough analysis, but have observed that teams that won Southern Sectionals were early start teams that had a number of now bumped up players that were not eligible for Nationals.
And it is common sense that a team with players above the top of the range as of January 1 has an advantage over a team with players that all are within the level's range at the same date. It doesn't mean the non-early start teams don't end up having out of level players by Sectionals too, but their starting point is lower so yes, I'd say they are at a disadvantage.
ncgator
Rookie
Are you thinking USTA will post new year end ratings at midnight? Not sure why they didn’t just post today rather than keeping everyone in suspense for a few more days.
I believe Middle States lets you play out the regular season at the original level, but not any playoff round.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
They said midnight
ttwarrior1
Hall of Fame
i was told if i join a team today as a 4.0 and if i get bumped up tonight to a 4.5 i can still play as a 4.0 even in the state tournament, not sure if thats just a usta southern thing or what or brand new
meaning, we have a league registering now to start on jan 2nd
meaning, we have a league registering now to start on jan 2nd
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
TR still hasn't listed my mixed double matches from November 7th. They did get 3 matches that were played in October but did not predict anything for me.
Is there some new prediction or is it just the dial that has been up all year?
Shouldn't 2.5 be the middle? I don't think I understand the chart.
Is there some new prediction or is it just the dial that has been up all year?
This is a chart I did a number of years ago using my ratings showing the number of players in tenth of a point buckets.
You can see at 2.5 and 3.0 there are more players at the top of each range than the bottom by a pretty wide margin.
At 3.5 it is pretty balanced, but note that this chart included men and women so there is a peak of 3.0/3.5 women overlaid with the peak of 3.5/4.0 men.
At 4.0 there are more in the lower part of the range, but again this is in part due to men and women in the same chart. Clearly at 4.5 and above there are more at the lower end which is what I was saying earlier.
Shouldn't 2.5 be the middle? I don't think I understand the chart.
OnTheLine
Hall of Fame
That is odd ... our section does not allow sign ups for leagues that begin in January until the day AFTER new ratings are announced. Surprised a section would do that. Just wait a week to have the registration start ...
schmke
Legend
The horizontal axis is the dynamic rating split into buckets on the tenths, and the vertical axis is the number of players in each bucket.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
Tennis record didnt update the page for individual match logs but they are calculated into their year end predictions
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
For me it was the opposite. I played 5 matches - although 2 were on november 7 so I am not sure if they count. TR has 3 matches for me as an individual and no matches for me in the year end predictions.
I know the official party line is that USTA and Tennis record have nothing to do with each other. But does anyone know who is running tennis record? I would think they know a bit about USTA and how the ratings and tennis link website works so they can scrape the information.
Vox Rationis
Professional
Not in Kentucky. That’s only for the southern states with early start leagues (GA, AR, AL I think). January isn’t an early start league.
time_fly
Hall of Fame
In our area of New England, the fall early start leagues are a way to draw players back indoors onto paid courts after they have mostly been playing outdoors for free in the summer. There is a 10 day grace period after new ratings are released so that there are no sudden lineup changes needed for matches that were already planned, but then players need to play at their new levels.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
15 hours left until ratings come out!
Anyone know how ******* does it now for mid-season bump ups? 8 years ago I got bumped up to 4.5 mid-season and wasn't allowed to play any more matches at 4.0. This year, I have a teammate who is extremely likely to get bumped up, and we are halfway through our current session. Has ******* changed how they do it, and will he be allowed to finish out the session?
Mid West is what got censored out for some reason.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
Sure, why would they censor such an innocuous word? You must have said something nasty!
flyfshrmn98
Rookie
Because its the name of a competing retailer
Lol, yep, that one was Ten Nis Ex Press
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
HBK4life
Hall of Fame
I get the point.
MegacedU
Professional
How big does the sample size has to be for a self-rated player to get bumped up? For instance if a self rated player played 3 doubles matches prior to the Nov 15 deadline and won them all, but that is the only match history, I wonder the likelihood of being bumped up from such a limited history.
Matthew ATX
Semi-Pro
When I first self-rated at 4.0, I played three matches and got bumped. Was able to appeal that bump and get a full year at 4.0 before getting bumped again.
Edit: Just checked and I played four, going 3-1.
So 28 more hours?
No. The strike threshold is incredibly high. You don't get disqualified unless you're grossly out of level.
No. The strike threshold is incredibly high. You don't get disqualified unless you're grossly out of level.
