uscwang
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Trying to force an unprecedented (technology-wise) vaccine on young, healthy people with natural immunity from previous infection is not scientific but authoritarian.
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Trying to force an unprecedented (technology-wise) vaccine on young, healthy people with natural immunity from previous infection is not scientific but authoritarian.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I totally agree with this. It’s plain wrong and good on Novak for sticking to his principles.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
Arrived in Dubai
Good to see him looking happy and smiling. I am sure he's disappointed (who wouldn't be) but the idea is to get past this as soon as possible. Once he's surrounded by the loved ones, he'll feel even better. And once things cool off he can sit down and reflect back and see what's truly important to him.
I'll be honest and say that Nole's departure from the AO especially in this manner has killed the spirit of the sport and AO in general. I find myself dejected at times. People watch sports to have fun and enjoy their time with their favourite players but this time, it was not to be for those who love this man unconditionally.
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Its looking like a story of Borg more and more. Sensational players but ending their career with their own important reasons. Highly Important to themselves, friviolus to many. And i dont wanna be judge here as to whether its important or not , certainly not at this point ....
But i think in the end, Tennis is more dear to him and he will get vaxxed at some stage.
Looking at the postives, it may give him more fire to fight the next gen everywhere and not at final stages of a Grand Slam.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
If he gets vaxed then he'll lose again. The only reason fans (not Novak fans) and media are telling him to get vaxed so that they can make fun of him one more time. So it's not a simple position to be. Also, his health is not designed for these kind of vaccines so that's another concern. Don't see why a perfectly healthy person should dose himself up with vaccines that are designed to protect a person from a certain virus, when the same body has fought the virus with its natural immune system twice. In no world does it make sense. And people are getting infected even after the jabs. I got affected less than two months of the doses when I was just fine before the vaccines.
Anyway, I don't see him getting the vaccines either.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Yeah I agree with everything you say. Yeah the media and governments are trying to bully him into it so they can say he’s did a u turn and went against his beliefs or initial comments.
Novak is such a proud man though and I like how he has his own mind. He’s not a sheep and will do what’s right for his body and condition. Tsitsipas hinted in Australia he didn’t really want the vaccine but got it so he could play. He’s really been coerced into it.
It’s wrong people should be forced against their will to get something in their body in order to play a sport they love. Especially on a virus that doesn’t stop you getting it whether you vaccinated or not. Currently with omicron it makes little difference.
I’m trebled jabbed and support Vaccinations on the whole as they did a lot of good in the world. However, it should never be forced and it’s sad the world is becoming more of a dictatorship every passing day. What happened to respecting freedom of choice?
Especially for young fit athletes who already have super healthy bodies and push their bodies to the limits. We already heard of a few athletes who got the vaccine and suffering adverse effects. It’s risky for professional athletes but sadly there voice isn’t getting heard.
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Zara
G.O.A.T.
Freedom of choice seems to be a thing in the past these days. I was incredibly unhappy to take the vaccines but I needed to travel but that doesn't mean I am against vaccines. I just don't want them for myself. I noticed in real life how people were treating me as a second class citizen and how violent they would become (verbally) if you're to say anything against vaccines or suggest otherwise. I think a lot of emotion are involved too because a lot of people lost their loved ones (I did too) and very afraid to lose more. There's a clear panic I see in a lot of people. I don't think anyone even the Governments are thinking clearly on this matter as they rush things without the consideration of the long term effect. Even highly educated people have become extreme and liking posts that are just vile or misinformed in support of the vaccines (I am sure there are other elements to it too).
Vaccine is ideal for those who are already much older with pre-existing conditions. Young fit athletes should be free from these mandates and those who are typically healthy and love to take care of their body. Let's face it, if people lived a healthy and active lifestyle then we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. Another thing is, people are generally fear-based so when something happens, all rationale fly out the window and animal instincts kick in and decisions are then made based on these fear. The world is in a chaos state for a while now and by now, you'd think we'd have a better understanding of things but it seems people are still operating from the same place - fear and anger. It can have serious consequences in the future if not already.
I am left to wondering these days that this same unvaccinated Novak played all 4 Slams just last year. What has changed so significantly this year that one has to be kicked out of a slam where he is the top player and contender? Could an exception not be made in case of these players who are very healthy and young? Australia could have set a very nice example here for the World to see instead they decided to go back to the barbarian law.
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Mivic
Hall of Fame
Imagine thinking a guy with natural immunity who doesn't pose a health risk to anybody as a result, who also happens to be one of the healthiest people on the planet and who had a valid medical exemption as was verified in a federal court of law humiliated himself in this situation after Australia kicked him out for being, in the words of the government's lawyers, 'an icon of free choice'. I swear it's like talking to a brick wall with people like you.
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Zara
G.O.A.T.
Also, you must wonder - is the Government really trying to protect the health of the public or are they using the covid situation to control its people?
That's why I really think that it's high time people realize that they are on their own and that they must protect their own health by adopting a very healthy lifestyle and by staying physically very active. The US alone had staggering heath related statistics before corona. Why blame the virus for one's own demise when you have already put yourself in great danger by eating unhealthy food and being lazy and constantly focusing on negative stuff? The way Governments promoted vaccines thus far I wish they had promoted healthy lifestyle instead.
Given that, I won't blame Novak if he feels something is amiss here.
That's why I really think that it's high time people realize that they are on their own and that they must protect their own health by adopting a very healthy lifestyle and by staying physically very active. The US alone had staggering heath related statistics before corona. Why blame the virus for one's own demise when you have already put yourself in great danger by eating unhealthy food and being lazy and constantly focusing on negative stuff? The way Governments promoted vaccines thus far I wish they had promoted healthy lifestyle instead.
Given that, I won't blame Novak if he feels something is amiss here.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
What does that even mean. Truly. Am I an enemy? Why are you so defensive? Why is this so extremely important to you? What does getting vaccinated cost you? Would it be worth everything you've worked for?
Zara
G.O.A.T.
I think Mivic misunderstood your post.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
I wonder why you don't accuse him about lying about having had COVID but I guess this one is worse therefor more convenient hey
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Why are you posting this on this thread?
Amritia
Hall of Fame
Because people have defended him on this thread by saying that his natural immunity means he isn’t a risk.
Reinfections can happen (ie Djokovic who says he got infected twice); and a past history of breaking covid rules is absolutely a relevant consideration when a sovereign government enacts border controls.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Once again, WTF do you feel the need to post and debate this on a Novak fan thread???
enough already
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Do you admire everyone who stands their ground?
Mivic
Hall of Fame
Why would I get a medical procedure that isn't going to benefit me in any way considering I have natural immunity in the form of previous infection (as most people now do) and the worst symptom I experienced was a mild cough? I don't want to be medicated with a substance which features a completely novel technology that has never been applied to humans in any meaningful capacity and has been developed in a very short period of time and which based on my personal risk/reward assessment has a (relative to the virus itself) pretty concerning side effect profile. I refuse to get vaccinated just because an authority tells me to if I personally don't deem it necessary for my own health and that of my family and society at large. I'm sorry if I came across as harsh, that wasn't my intention, I probably need to get off social media, it's all very divisive and toxic atm and some of that has probably rubbed off on me at this stage. I fully respect your health choices (whether that's to get vaxxed or remain unvaxxed, whatever) and therefore I would appreciate it if you also made an attempt to understand my reasons and respected me as a human being who is able to think for myself and come to my own decisions and conclusions, unlike many others who wish to condemn me to a lifetime of isolation and whatever else for making a personal medical decision. Its ridiculous that the conversation about vaccination has even gotten to this point. Just respect the choices of others.
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Ban this poster. @TW Staff
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
I do as long as it isn't dangerous or hateful. What he was standing for wasnt.
Mivic
Hall of Fame
Please tell me you realise that vaccinated people can get covid too? Australia is putting up almost 100,000 new cases a day with one of the highest vaccination rates on the planet. Djokovic also contracted covid again over a year and a half after previous infection. Nobody said natural immunity lasts forever, but neither does immunity resulting from the vaccine. You would have to get boosted four times a year to prevent the minor reduction in transmission that results from getting the vaccine from waning and I don't think anybody can take issue with somebody who doesn't want to get inoculated that frequently considering most vaccines take on average 10 years to produce and some of those don't even get approved because they're deemed unsafe and this is a vaccine which has been produced in a fraction of that timespan.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Sorry but your line of posting is not welcome in here. You have plenty of threads to keep repeating the same things over and over, and you've done it in just about every thread. This is not the place for that.
-snake-
Hall of Fame
Because OZ has lost the plot, it's not an internet meme.
There are many cases like this one:
Patient stuck in NSW faces bureaucratic nightmare to cross Queensland border for cancer treatment
Health officials insist the Magnetic Island man, who went to be with his dying mother, cannot drive to hotel quarantine due to the risk posed by toilet breaks en route
www.theguardian.com
They've gone full reatard/n*zi. All the Australians who've tried to talk about it on this board got their messages or the thread where they were posting it deleted.
It's not a joke, it's not staged, they've lost their f*cking minds.
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alexio
G.O.A.T.
be dangerous or follow the rules? these are two big differences..to take vaccine or not it should be voluntary..he wasn't dangerous, he's healthy man without virus hence doesn't pose a threat to others..and if he got infected from someone vaxed there, then that system doesn't work, then it needs to be reviewed and thus shouldn't be an initially mandatory requirement to enter only with a vaccine, not to mention that that all these rules were absurd from the very beginning and went against common sense, and that whole process/saga proved all the competence of those people who made decisions/writing those rules
Zara
G.O.A.T.
As a Canadian, it was my duty to watch Shapo last night but I couldn't bring myself to it. Not sure about @Lleytonstation though.
But Andy's playing tonight and I need to watch that selectively.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
I watched. It was the same old shspo playing the same old way.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
Because OZ has lost the plot, it's not an internet meme.
There are many cases like this one:
Patient stuck in NSW faces bureaucratic nightmare to cross Queensland border for cancer treatment
Health officials insist the Magnetic Island man, who went to be with his dying mother, cannot drive to hotel quarantine due to the risk posed by toilet breaks en route
They've gone full reatard/n*zi. All the Australians who've tried to talk about it on this board got their messages or the thread were they were posting it deleted.
It's not a joke, it's not staged, they've lost their f*cking minds.
I will add that my brother lives in Australia (in the Gold Coast area) with two kids and wife. And his wife wanted to come home to visit her mother who was very sick at that time, but she didn't dare because she wasn't sure if she'd be able to go back to her family or Australia after her visit. Luckily for her, her mother survived. But she's still debating to visit because she doesn't feel very strong about it not knowing what the future might hold.
-snake-
Hall of Fame
Uuuugh, that's some awful sheet. Best of luck to to them
Hope they can get away from that crazy place soon.NADAL_VS_FED
Rookie
They are making an example of Novak Djokovic. Here’s why.
Kit Knightly Tennis star Novak Djokovic is being deported from Australia, after losing his final appeal the WTA’s top-ranked player will not be allowed to defend his Australian Open title. It…
off-guardian.org
Bubcay
Legend
J Mac seems to be upset about the Djokovic saga...
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Apparently he thinks that the Oz Federal and State Gov'ts and TA are all in cahoots; clearly needs to spend more time here...J Mac seems to be upset about the Djokovic saga...
Bubcay
Legend
Yes, funny. It is exactly the opposite in real life. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing...
uscwang
Hall of Fame
John and Nick did (only those with the baddest serves).
Ducky Lucky
Rookie
Sanjaju Li Androidi Radnicka Prava?Anyone recognize the book Djokovic was reading on the plane?
Tarkovsky
Semi-Pro
Ducky Lucky
Rookie
Ohh for once, I thought I could answer a question here. Poo! In that case maybe The Odyssey?
How can you tell it is photoshop?
How can you tell it is photoshop?
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
joekapa
Legend
These mandates will continue, and get worse. This is not about the vaccines.
bertrevert
Legend
Are you the police of this thread or something? You have the ability to ban ppl from this thread, is that true?
Honest question. And are there Fed/Nadal/Murray threads with similar setups? And if not, why not?
The answer to that question may tell you something about how true fans listen to the negative as well as the positive.
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
Yes. @TW Staff do the necessary
NAS
Hall of Fame
Actually yes and the reason is they don't get that type of bad traffic because most of the time Novak fans don't troll on their fan pages. There are same etiquette which everybody follows.
How would Fed fans feel if we have trolled him after Wimbledon 19 final on his fan page.
Same goes for Rafa also, should we keep on asking doping allegations on his fan page.
Person like you and everybody who are advocating the ban based on rul, rule, are breaking rules on ttw.
See @vex he left the fandom of Novak and he don't come here.
As for the criticising, I have called him so many time stupid and other things but because I was really angry with him not to troll him and his friends on this page.
