How many people still play with rackets that are over 20 years old?

Humbi_HTX

Semi-Pro
You would have to ask me if I even play with a frame that is not 20y old... even my babs are old enough to drink in some states. My main frame is a PK 5G, which I came full circle to, after trying more modern versions.

@gold325 I really felt like I was cheating from the baseline and all the shots were effortless with that "thing", I may try to replicate the experiment with some thick beam frames I have hanging on the wall.
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
Very recently I came across a TKG 237.3 under a Prestige Mid Youtek PJ. Looked like in decent shape. Thoughts?
 

mctennis

Legend
Are they terminated? Worked for them long ago but haven't checked for a while.
They still make gut strings but only for musical instruments. Not for tennis racquets. They came back to the tennis market for a short time a few years back. Once they did I bought some sets they had available. Again, it was at the end of when they were producing tennis string sets and I bought up just the few sets they still had. I wish they would come back to the tennis string market. Send them an email. If they get enough requests they may produce the gut tennis strings again. They used to be the official tennis string for Wimbledon, if I'm not mistaken.
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
They still make gut strings but only for musical instruments. Not for tennis racquets. They came back to the tennis market for a short time a few years back. Once they did I bought some sets they had available. Again, it was at the end of when they were producing tennis string sets and I bought up just the few sets they still had. I wish they would come back to the tennis string market. Send them an email. If they get enough requests they may produce the gut tennis strings again. They used to be the official tennis string for Wimbledon, if I'm not mistaken.
Yes, I worked for them at Wimbledon a few years ago. We had some good time with some nice people.
 
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NicoMK

Hall of Fame
They stopped selling tennis strings. They only sell strings for musical instruments now.
Same as Maillot-Savarez in France. At some point in the late 70s, early 80s, they were even partners with Babolat and ran a company named "Babolat Witt Maillot". Today Savarez are huge in strings for musical instruments too and they still make some tennis strings and accessories. Used to work with them too, they also were distributors for Fischer in France in the late 90s. They were a team of charming people and if some of them are reading these lines, I hope that you are all well.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Same as Maillot-Savarez in France. At some point in the late 70s, early 80s, they were even partners with Babolat and ran a company named "Babolat Witt Maillot". Today Savarez are huge in strings for musical instruments too and they still make some tennis strings and accessories. Used to work with them too, they also were distributors for Fischer in France in the late 90s. They were a team of charming people and if some of them are reading these lines, I hope that you are all well.
I’m aware. It was Babolat Maillot Witt and the logo Was a stylized BMW. I grew up in the tennis industry. My family owned tennis shops.
 

Boxing

New User
Ive been playing with a couple Pro Tour 280s that i recently picked back up from being stored at my dad's house the past 20 years! Unbelievable that i last strung them myself in high school and they still play - one i popped last week, the other is about to go. Gonna do some natural gut and try that out!
 

Frankc

Professional
Well, a Wilson Ultra 2 85 strung low medium with 17 gauge Pacific Prime fell into my bag today. (The inspiration came from watching a French production on Hana Mandlikova as she won Roland Garros. She had that Kramer in hand that year - but the footwork and racquet craft are from the heavens... Oh My...)
 
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NicoMK

Hall of Fame
Sure, bro, if you have necessary skills.
I don't have the skills to play with stiff, light and hollow rackets :X3:

More seriously, personally I learnt to play with heavy, headlight and softer rackets and, no matter how hard I tried but, I don't like playing with those so-called modern frames and anyway my arm don't like them much so...
 
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BorgCash

Legend
I don't have the skills to play with stiff, light and hollow rackets :X3:

More seriously, personally I learnt to play with heavy, headlight and softer rackets and, no matter how hard I tried but, I don't like playing with those so-called modern frames and anyway my arm don't like them much so...
Me too, i learnt to play with woodie Maxply clone. Actually i don't want to destroy my technique to play with modern, sorry, garbage.
 

AleYeah

Rookie
I've rejoined the tennis world over the past 3 years after about a 15 year absence. My daily drivers are Head Pro Tour 280s, with a Prince Graphite Oversize occasionally mixed.

Recently I've decided to experiment with some relatively modern sticks. I kinda have in mind carrying a mix of old and new, and swapping as the mood strikes. I'm keeping an eye on FB/Craigslist for no-brainer deals, but haven't found any yet. I did find a beat up, but cheap Wilson Blade 98 16x19 Countervail on the big ol' auction site that should arrive in a few days.
 

kevin qmto

Hall of Fame
Last night I played my first league match with my Adidas GTM, sadly this was the first match in a year that I DIDN'T film. Maybe I've been holding myself back by documenting everything as I played well above my normal level, even with modern rackets, perhaps due to the lack of pressure of filming myself. I won convincingly against a real speedster opponent, who could do a mean jumping 2 handed backhand that I was a little jelly of.

And that's after I started down 1-4 because I was trying to blast the ball like I would with my modern racket with poly, not this stick from 1985 with a multifilament. As soon as I took a little pace off the ball and came in more, I rattled off 6 straight games. Actually got broken early in the 2nd to break my streak, but resumed the streak afterwards and won 6/4, 6/2.

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kevin qmto

Hall of Fame
@kevin qmto , What multi at what tension and gauge do you have in that GTM?
Gamma Ocho XP 17 multifilament at 55lbs. Shaped multis are awesome. The exceptional feel coupled with some extra spin to play against all these poly users.

(Pics above were with the old strings that came in the frame, I kept the leather pads in though.)
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
Gamma Ocho XP 17 multifilament at 55lbs. Shaped multis are awesome. The exceptional feel coupled with some extra spin to play against all these poly users.

(Pics above were with the old strings that came in the frame, I kept the leather pads in though.)
As I understand it, it's a super comfortable multi with some advantages of a multi? In this case I should really demo it to try to counterbalance my tennis partners who all switched to polys years ago. I can see that they hit with more spin and power (if decent technics) while it's not as simple for me.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
I play with the Babolat Aeropro Control. I think it came out in 2004.

It "replaced" the iconic Babolat Pure Control (the red swirl frame). I think they sold about 6 of these before it was discontinued in about a year or two (it was not popular to say the least). I was playing with the Pure Control, but liked this better, so I switched. Over the years I've picked up 10 of these. They used to sell for $40-$60. Nobody wanted them. A few years ago I saw they became "hot". Now they sell for $200. Crazy.

Head Size: 98
Weight: 11.3 (12 strung)
Balance: 6pts HL
Swing Weight: 340
Stiffness: 70


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NicoMK

Hall of Fame
I play with the Babolat Aeropro Control. I think it came out in 2004.

It "replaced" the iconic Babolat Pure Control (the red swirl frame). I think they sold about 6 of these before it was discontinued in about a year or two (it was not popular to say the least). I was playing with the Pure Control, but liked this better, so I switched. Over the years I've picked up 10 of these. They used to sell for $40-$60. Nobody wanted them. A few years ago I saw they became "hot". Now they sell for $200. Crazy.

Seems that you could make quite a bit of money if you sold them ;)
 

BorgCash

Legend
Last night I played my first league match with my Adidas GTM, sadly this was the first match in a year that I DIDN'T film. Maybe I've been holding myself back by documenting everything as I played well above my normal level, even with modern rackets, perhaps due to the lack of pressure of filming myself. I won convincingly against a real speedster opponent, who could do a mean jumping 2 handed backhand that I was a little jelly of.

And that's after I started down 1-4 because I was trying to blast the ball like I would with my modern racket with poly, not this stick from 1985 with a multifilament. As soon as I took a little pace off the ball and came in more, I rattled off 6 straight games. Actually got broken early in the 2nd to break my streak, but resumed the streak afterwards and won 6/4, 6/2.

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Good win with good old racquet!
 

BorgCash

Legend
I play with the Babolat Aeropro Control. I think it came out in 2004.

It "replaced" the iconic Babolat Pure Control (the red swirl frame). I think they sold about 6 of these before it was discontinued in about a year or two (it was not popular to say the least). I was playing with the Pure Control, but liked this better, so I switched. Over the years I've picked up 10 of these. They used to sell for $40-$60. Nobody wanted them. A few years ago I saw they became "hot". Now they sell for $200. Crazy.

Head Size: 98
Weight: 11.3 (12 strung)
Balance: 6pts HL
Swing Weight: 340
Stiffness: 70


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Wow, it's the first time i notice anybody mentioned anything about this racquet!
 

glenda

Rookie
i was just wondering, i see allot of people on here play with the older "players" rackets.
i just bought two prince 110 rackets, one is a pro series and the other is a spectum 110 composite.
i loved the way the older rackets played and just found these two at a great price so i went ahead and picked them up.
have not hit with them yet (the weather is too bad) but can't wait to get out on the court and hit a few around.
i played with these back about 20 some years ago but sold them and went the newer rackets.
just wanted some more input from folks that love the older rackets.
thanks:???:
You, jimanuel12, said you recently bought two Prince rackets. But why did you buy different models? So many players, particularly those players at a 4.0 level and less, have two rackets or more but have a favorite racket out of the bunch consisting of different racket brands or a different racket series of the same brand they primarily use. If they break the strings in their favorite racket or crack the racket in the play, they're left with a backup racket with a noticeable difference in feel, and their play drops. Hell, most of the players have strung their backups with a different string than the string in the preferred racket. And strings in a racket, setting mostly unused in a bag, will lose tension.

I carry three rackets of the same brand and model to the court with three more of the same left at home. I alternate the carried rackets while playing. I own a state-of-the-art racket stringer stringing 18 gauge Technifibre Bi-phase (multi-filament). The rackets left at home are either unstrung or the strings significantly frayed. When a racket in play is broken in one way or another, I string a left-at-home racket. The way I look at it, if strings break or are frayed, I figure it's time to restring anyway. Since I began stringing my own rackets, a string has never broken near the head.

The Head company still sponsors me, and the company customizes my racket with a much heavier head weight and a much thicker grip, both measurements unavailable to the public (I've got long fingers). Head also supplies me public-available head rackets. I let others demo the rackets. And many end up buying one of the Head rackets, usually online. I'm a helluva sales person. I keep the demos for others to try out.

The latest 98 Head Radical I use today is customized the same as the original I used before. I'm picky. The feel is the same. Only the racket's painting has changed, from mostly red on the throat to more black and more red than black on the racket head of the latest model.

[When will the mask disappear and when will the U.S. government allow Novak to play in the United States? The land of the free but not so brave.]
 

kevin qmto

Hall of Fame
glenda that post is from 2011...

and most of us hitting with a variety of 20+ year old rackets will have to quickly learn to be less picky and more flexible when it comes to strings. Hell, I've hit with plenty of frames that have strings in them that are older than me, and yet play pretty dang well.
 

glenda

Rookie
i can play quite well with the old racquets
but it's quite disappointing that when i switch to the very latest racquets, i don't see a big improvement in my game. so when people see that i use an old racquet, they think that i have a disadvantage but not really so. some of you are probably like this as well :)
The new racket newness eventually wears off and the players return to their standard play, established in their last several years of playing. And after the newness wears off, players also might return to their older playmate racket.
 

glenda

Rookie
Hit with my old Tad Davis woodie the other day. Even the sound of it striking the ball brings back memories. I strung that one back in 1971 with Bow brand nat. gut, and it still is playable after all these years.How is that for a 40 year old nat. gut string job.
glenda that post is from 2011...

and most of us hitting with a variety of 20+ year old rackets will have to quickly learn to be less picky and more flexible when it comes to strings. Hell, I've hit with plenty of frames that have strings in them that are older than me, and yet play pretty dang well.
No, that post was originated by me today. And I've gotta pretty high IQ, yet I'm not sure what you mean by "will have to learn to be less picky and more flexible in their last several years of playing when it comes to strings, although I hold an assumption (please don't respond by a predicable reply). And why would anyone want "to have to learn to be less" in a chosen endeavor?

Nevertheless, very good to exceptional players, like experts in any field, remain picky if they continue playing (or working in their career) into their older age. Furthermore, gut strings lose their resiliency rather quickly to going dead. Don't forget that humidity loves to end gut's life.

Still several professional players today use a hybrid of gut and multi-filament polyester strings, perhaps providing them a better feel. But the harder hitting players, which includes about all the highly athetiic, top conditioned, and highly skilled players today, will substantially diminish the gut's liveliness in a game or two. But lesser accomplished and older players might find 40-year-old gut strings provide them a better feel. I don't know. And I don't know when I'll be entering my last several years of playing tennis. When I get to 70 years old, I'll likely still not know the entering day.

But I'm dead certain that my swing, speed, my strength, my conditioning, my quickness will diminish from my current 50's age to 70 years old. I've noticed that my play today isn't quite as sprite as it was in my 20s. I still play five-to-six days a week and I expect to play at the same frequency at 70 years old. And I expect at 70 to still prefer playing on outdoor courts at a temperature of 130 degrees. I like heat, like provided by summer Atlanta and even more by summer Dallas, where the sun presses closer and closer.

Yet today I might prefer tennis to be played with a, say, Wilson Kramer racket. I rarely hit a ball outside the center of the sweet spot. A mis-hit opponent's shot with a Kramer racket, the ball will die before making it to the net, including a mis-hit volley near the net.
 
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Grafil Injection

Hall of Fame
I might once the orginal gut strings break or become unplayable. I'm still trying to find some info on them, what in the world is Babolat LE Plus?

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'Once the OG becomes unplayable'. So in about 20 years then! I've seen a number of different Babolat guts in my 80s sticks, but no details on how they differ I'm afraid. Seems they had a wide range back then.
 

glenda

Rookie
Get that spring board effect going.
'Once the OG becomes unplayable'. So in about 20 years then! I've seen a number of different Babolat guts in my 80s sticks, but no details on how they differ I'm afraid. Seems they had a wide range back then.
Back when I started playing tennis, I begged.

My dad gave in and bought me a Donnay wood racket and bought me VS gut strings strung at 75 lbs., the racket, the gut, the gut tension all like Bjorn Borgs'. I couldn't wait to play. I ran to a public court and hit against a backboard. But something was awfully wrong. I couldn't hit the ball on the sweet spot, even when hitting a bounced ball to start a hitting routine. I was red-hot angry and shouted, "What am I doing wrong. That never happens!"

But I found what's wrong. It wasn't me. I began to purposely mis-hit the ball near the frame several times in a row. Then I went back to my normal routine and made sure the ball hit the sweet spot. No difference. The ball reacted the same off the racket and my arm jarred the same. The 75lb. tension didn't have a sweet spot, which is good for a strong player who didn't care about hitting a sweet spot and yet hitting wickedly powerful and accurate shots with a wicked swing.

"That's fine for Borg," I thought, "but I'm just a girl."

I went home and handed the racket to my dad. I said, "If you decide to take up tennis, you've got a professional racket strung with professional gut."

My dad never took up tennis and my begging caused my dad to waste $70. Back then, gut strings cost more than a professional wooden racket.

But before taking the Donnay for a tryout, the sporting-goods stringer warned, "You're gonna regret this, young lady."
 

glenda

Rookie
Back when I started playing tennis, I begged.

My dad gave in and bought me a Donnay wood racket and bought me VS gut strings strung at 75 lbs., the racket, the gut, the gut tension all like Bjorn Borgs'. I couldn't wait to play. I ran to a public court and hit against a backboard. But something was awfully wrong. I couldn't hit the ball on the sweet spot, even when hitting a bounced ball to start a hitting routine. I was red-hot angry and shouted, "What am I doing wrong? That never happens!"

But I found what's wrong. It wasn't me. I began to purposely mis-hit the ball near the frame several times in a row. Then I went back to my normal routine and made sure the ball hit the sweet spot. No difference. The ball reacted the same off the racket and my arm jarred the same. The 75 lb. tension didn't have a sweet spot, which is good for a strong player who didn't care about hitting a sweet spot and yet hitting wickedly powerful and accurate shots with a wicked swing.

"That's fine for Borg," I thought, "but I'm just a girl."

I went home and handed the racket to my dad. I said, "If you decide to take up tennis, you've got a professional racket strung with professional gut."

My dad never took up tennis and my begging caused my dad to waste $70. Back then, gut strings cost more than a professional wooden racket.

But before taking the Donnay for a tryout, the sporting-goods stringer warned, "You're gonna regret this, young lady."
 

Grafil Injection

Hall of Fame
Back when I started playing tennis, I begged.

My dad gave in and bought me a Donnay wood racket and bought me VS gut strings strung at 75 lbs., the racket, the gut, the gut tension all like Bjorn Borgs'. I couldn't wait to play. I ran to a public court and hit against a backboard. But something was awfully wrong. I couldn't hit the ball on the sweet spot, even when hitting a bounced ball to start a hitting routine. I was red-hot angry and shouted, "What am I doing wrong. That never happens!"

But I found what's wrong. It wasn't me. I began to purposely mis-hit the ball near the frame several times in a row. Then I went back to my normal routine and made sure the ball hit the sweet spot. No difference. The ball reacted the same off the racket and my arm jarred the same. The 75lb. tension didn't have a sweet spot, which is good for a strong player who didn't care about hitting a sweet spot and yet hitting wickedly powerful and accurate shots with a wicked swing.

"That's fine for Borg," I thought, "but I'm just a girl."

I went home and handed the racket to my dad. I said, "If you decide to take up tennis, you've got a professional racket strung with professional gut."

My dad never took up tennis and my begging caused my dad to waste $70. Back then, gut strings cost more than a professional wooden racket.

But before taking the Donnay for a tryout, the sporting-goods stringer warned, "You're gonna regret this, young lady."

Seems like you forgot to stand on the string-bed for 15 minutes the night before, and ensure it rang with the correct musical note before using it. Classic noob failure. LOL.
 

glenda

Rookie
I don't think I mentioned a bedtime between receiving the racket and running to the tennis court to give the Borg-like racket a tryout. However, I'm assuming, Grafil, you saw a tennis player in the Indian Wells tournament pressing a foot on the strings of the player's racket, apparently to somewhat loosen the string tension.
 

Grafil Injection

Hall of Fame
I don't think I mentioned a bedtime between receiving the racket and running to the tennis court to give the Borg like racket a tryout. However, I'm assuming, Grafil, you saw a tennis player in the Indian Wells tournament pressing a foot on the strings of the player's racket, apparently to somewhat loosen the string tension.
There you have it then. You would have probably loved it, if you'd done the full Borg OCD treatment beforehand! Just kidding, although I'd love to try a 400g ish racket at 75lbs.
 

graycrait

Legend
@glenda ,
a much thicker grip, both measurements unavailable to the public (I've got long fingers).
I find that interesting especially in today's world where "everyone" seems to be using smaller grips. A few years ago I traded 20+ rackets with a somewhat younger enthusiast than me. I am sniffing 70 at 68&1/2. In that trade was allegedly one of Meike Babel's old Wilson rackets she used at Vanderbilt and if my memory hasn't failed me I think that racket handle was 4&5/8, which I thought was interesting. I like a 4&1/2 with an OG but at the time thought, boy she must have big hands. Just a passing memory, a fleeting thought, after reading your post.

When I was a kid playing on the nearby public park concrete courts whenever there wasn't snow covering them we survived on hand me down wood rackets. Most were 4&5/8 Medium or Heavy. We were just little guys swinging those logs all day long with what tennis balls we could find in the bushes behind the courts. When someone ended up with a 4&1/2 or heaven forbid a 4&3/8 Light we gathered around that thing like it was the Holy Grail. More good tennis memories. Tennis was different back then. 3 of those guys went on to play D1 tennis and one captained a DIII team.
 
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glenda

Rookie
@glenda ,

I find that interesting especially in today's world where "everyone" seems to be using smaller grips. A few years ago I traded 20+ rackets with a somewhat younger enthusiast than me. I am sniffing 70 at 68&1/2. In that trade was allegedly one of Meike Babel's old Wilson rackets she used at Vanderbilt and if my memory hasn't failed me I think that racket handle was 4&5/8, which I thought was interesting. I like a 4&1/2 with an OG but at the time thought, boy she must have big hands. Just a passing memory, a fleeting thought, after reading your post.

When I was kid playing on the nearby public park concrete courts whenever there wasn't snow covering them we survived on hand me down wood rackets. Most were 4&5/8 Medium or Heavy. We were just little guys swinging those logs all day long with what tennis balls we could find in the bushes behind the courts. When someone ended up with a 4&1/2 or heaven forbid a 4&3/8 Light we gathered around that thing like it was the Holy Grail. More good tennis memories. Tennis was different back then. 4 of those guys went on to play D1 tennis and one captained a DIII team.
My racket handle thickness expands far more than 4-5/8. While serving and returning, I use a fairly loose grip. And I'm gifted with freakishly long fingers. I should've been an NFL wide receiver.
 

kevin qmto

Hall of Fame
Mom mom only ever played recreational tennis, but her Prince Classic was a 4 5/8ths grip size. She didn’t seem to mind.
 
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