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matter of fact, i see mroe 4.0-5.0 use the ncode 90 tour and kfactor 90 than pos, why is that?
Because many are older than the pros and learned their game with smaller headsized rackets. I have tried to switch and couldn't - I'm back to my Kennex Black Ace with 86" headsize.
I totally agree with both comments.Not saying this is the main reason but I do believe one factor to consider is that ,at the levels below 5.0, people tend to play a flatter (lower bouncing) game whereas at the 5.0+ level they tend to play with more and much heavier (heavier doesn't mean loopy) topspin. Tougher to counter that high bouncing, heavy top with a midsize but not as tough when dealing with a flatter, lower ball.
Again, I'm not saying that's the sole reason, just something to consider.
at the levels below 5.0, people tend to play a flatter (lower bouncing) game whereas at the 5.0+ level they tend to play with more and much heavier (heavier doesn't mean loopy) topspin. Tougher to counter that high bouncing, heavy top with a midsize but not as tough when dealing with a flatter, lower ball.
matter of fact, i see mroe 4.0-5.0 use the ncode 90 tour and kfactor 90 than pos, why is that?
There is the Federer Factor for sure. Many will deny though
Exactamundo.
No way a 3.0 can advance with a mid...
matter of fact, i see mroe 4.0-5.0 use the ncode 90 tour and kfactor 90 than pos, why is that?
Bubbatex, have you tried the POG OS? Very arm-friendly, 107 in., around 12 oz. Wish I hadn't sold mine years ago...:-(Not to hijack either - but as an old guy coming back to the game, I certainly want an advantage. I have a 110 now, but it is too stiff for my arm. If you take the common recommendations that I have read here - I am looking for a flexible racket with the most weight I can swing comfortably. Most rackets I find that meet those specs are around 95-100.
I have just embarked on this quest and I could be wrong - but that is just the way it seems right now to me. The bigger the head, the lighter the racket and an older arm could use more weight thus you have to choose a smaller head.
Bubbatex, have you tried the POG OS? Very arm-friendly, 107 in., around 12 oz. Wish I hadn't sold mine years ago...:-(
OK, I will show my ignorance now - what is a "POG"? Prince? I have all of the other acronyms figured out but that one! Thanks.
That is just silly...
you could expand this to also say that 'more 3.5's use the k90 frame than 5.0's'
That means a lot of players reached 3.5 using mids, which is something some people around here deem impossible.
I think there's a lot of truth to that. With "today's game" of heavy topspin, the smaller the head size, the greater the disadvantage (when it comes to hitting the string and not hitting frame).
Plus, pro's play for money. Club players often play with what they think will make them a better player. Truthfully, I really don't know what percent or 5.0 players use midsize frames. I've only seen a few.
Not saying this is the main reason but I do believe one factor to consider is that ,at the levels below 5.0, people tend to play a flatter (lower bouncing) game whereas at the 5.0+ level they tend to play with more and much heavier (heavier doesn't mean loopy) topspin. Tougher to counter that high bouncing, heavy top with a midsize but not as tough when dealing with a flatter, lower ball.
Again, I'm not saying that's the sole reason, just something to consider.
Not to hijack either - but as an old guy coming back to the game, I certainly want an advantage. I have a 110 now, but it is too stiff for my arm. If you take the common recommendations that I have read here - I am looking for a flexible racket with the most weight I can swing comfortably. Most rackets I find that meet those specs are around 95-100.
I have just embarked on this quest and I could be wrong - but that is just the way it seems right now to me. The bigger the head, the lighter the racket and an older arm could use more weight thus you have to choose a smaller head.
it's very easy to hit most any racquet long..just takes a bit of bad technique. they hit more balls in the court with their midsize frame with their bad technique
I knew that the thread would turn into an indictment of players who use mid sized racquets as posuers. Some players prefer to use sticks with small heads. Many more prefer mid plus frames which range betwee 95 and 100 inches.
Most of the 4.0 to 5.0 players that I know in South Florida use mid plus racquets. I use an old Prestige. I chose what works best for me.
My point is that it is an illusion that so many 4.0 to 5.0 players use small head sizes. It seems like many players are using mid sized frames because they tend to be a vocal group on these forums.
I don't know too many people who use mid sized frames, so I welcome the opportunity to have discussions with like minded people on the web.
. an older arm could use more weight thus you have to choose a smaller head.
Radical or Prestige IMO...
Perhaps you've been drinking the TW forum KoolAid. Older arms usually benefit from lightrer racquets not heavier racquets as older arms typically cant handle the higher swingweights of most midsized frames, nor do they generate the power they used to and can benefit from something lighter and stiffer..midsized frames are often heavier frames. Also midsized frames have smaller sweetzones and miss hitting with a racquet is never very good for an older arm...or any arm for that matter
There are comfortable frames with larger heads
If you know what your ideal swingweight range is and what headsize you can typically reliabnly hit the sweetzone on, most everything else can take care of itself and racquet selection isnt so confusing and difficult
Not to hijack either - but as an old guy coming back to the game, I certainly want an advantage. I have a 110 now, but it is too stiff for my arm. If you take the common recommendations that I have read here - I am looking for a flexible racket with the most weight I can swing comfortably. Most rackets I find that meet those specs are around 95-100.
I have just embarked on this quest and I could be wrong - but that is just the way it seems right now to me. The bigger the head, the lighter the racket and an older arm could use more weight thus you have to choose a smaller head.
Definitely don't go for more than 100 and less than 11 oz strung. Otherwise you will become another old guy wearing an elbow brace and icing all the time.
I just attended the United States Clay Court Championships for 45's. This was 128 draw. I saw only one guy using a frame larger than 100 square inches. Most of these guys were using 90-98 square inch frames. >>> On clay of all things (oh my!). Most of these guys are 5.0 plus players with a few ex ATP pros.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=161872
By the way, for the poster who said 3.5 players are stuck at 3.5 because of their frame selection>>> buy a clue. They are stuck at 3.5 because they don't want to improve>>> not because of their frame selection. If that is the case, how do you explain so many 3.5 players using big bubbas who are stuck at 3.5??
ps: Only two Volkls.
your post doesnt make any sense and isnt relevant to this particular discussion.
I just attended the United States Clay Court Championships for 45's. This was 128 draw. I saw only one guy using a frame larger than 100 square inches. Most of these guys were using 90-98 square inch frames. >>> On clay of all things (oh my!). Most of these guys are 5.0 plus players with a few ex ATP pros.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=161872
By the way, for the poster who said 3.5 players are stuck at 3.5 because of their frame selection>>> buy a clue. They are stuck at 3.5 because they don't want to improve>>> not because of their frame selection. If that is the case, how do you explain so many 3.5 players using big bubbas who are stuck at 3.5??
ps: Only two Volkls.
But guess what? Hitting more balls in at any level below 5.0 usually means winning the match.r they hit more balls in the court with their midsize frame with their bad technique so I guess that does give them better control in an odd sort of way
"Lighter and stiffer" also usually equals tennis elbow for older players with old arms and tendons.Older arms usually benefit from lightrer racquets not heavier racquets as older arms typically cant handle the higher swingweights of most midsized frames, nor do they generate the power they used to and can benefit from something lighter and stiffer..midsized frames are often heavier frames.
There are hardly any pros that use a 90 sq inch racket. Federer used a 90, Hewitt used to use a 90 and someone on the WTA tour uses a 90. (I dont remember her name) I dont even know any club players and people that i play against that use a 90. The only people i have seen use 90s are traditionalists and Federer fanboys.
One of my hitting partners switched from an i.radical MP to a k90. He is a solid 4.5 but his game has suffered since the change. It's been over 10 weeks and he is still suffering from pain in his wrist and balls landing very short on the court. You would think 10 weeks is more than enough to settle into your groove with a racquet. He changed purely because Federer uses it and he wants his game to mirror Federer's.
I, on the other hand took all the advice on this board with a pinch of salt and moved from the PS 85 to a more forgiving and spin-handling 200G, albeit with a denser string pattern. Is my game better? Definitely. Would I go back to a mid? Certainly not - why change a winning formula that's comfortable and full of fun (which is what rec players look for)? Did I do the right thing? I didn't by using an 85 which was not suited for my level of play but am certainly moving in the right direction by using a bigger head that helps me handle those college kids' extreme topspin better.
I just attended the United States Clay Court Championships for 45's. This was 128 draw. I saw only one guy using a frame larger than 100 square inches. Most of these guys were using 90-98 square inch frames. >>> On clay of all things (oh my!). Most of these guys are 5.0 plus players with a few ex ATP pros.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=161872
By the way, for the poster who said 3.5 players are stuck at 3.5 because of their frame selection>>> buy a clue. They are stuck at 3.5 because they don't want to improve>>> not because of their frame selection. If that is the case, how do you explain so many 3.5 players using big bubbas who are stuck at 3.5??
ps: Only two Volkls.
I am already that guy! Does this not contradict what Mojo said above? However, those numbers are in line with my "comfort zone".
One of my hitting partners switched from an i.radical MP to a k90. He is a solid 4.5 but his game has suffered since the change. It's been over 10 weeks and he is still suffering from pain in his wrist and balls landing very short on the court. You would think 10 weeks is more than enough to settle into your groove with a racquet. He changed purely because Federer uses it and he wants his game to mirror Federer's.
I, on the other hand took all the advice on this board with a pinch of salt and moved from the PS 85 to a more forgiving and spin-handling 200G, albeit with a denser string pattern. Is my game better? Definitely. Would I go back to a mid? Certainly not - why change a winning formula that's comfortable and full of fun (which is what rec players look for)? Did I do the right thing? I didn't by using an 85 which was not suited for my level of play but am certainly moving in the right direction by using a bigger head that helps me handle those college kids' extreme topspin better.
But guess what? Hitting more balls in at any level below 5.0 usually means winning the match.
"Lighter and stiffer" also usually equals tennis elbow for older players with old arms and tendons.